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  • After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

    Everybody knows by now, that after ZIRP , next we will have NIRP...

    But many are asking themselves what is going to happen next after the Big 3 Bailout?...

    Here is the answer provided by an insider:
    http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticke...glepost=899285

    The second letter will really boil your blood!

    My wife works for a major car rental company and shared with me 2 letters that the CEO joyfully sent all employees. She told me I was not allowed to distribute them, so no one tell her. They are in .PDF form, but I do not know how to upload them here so I will copy and paste. I hope she does not get in any trouble from me releasing this.

    Here is the first:

    December 8, 2008
    Honorable Nancy Pelosi
    Offi ce of the Speaker of the House of Representatives
    H-232 Capitol Building
    Washington, D.C. 20515

    Honorable John Boehner
    Offi ce of the Republican Leader
    H-204 Capitol Building
    Washington, D.C. 20515

    Dear Speaker Pelosi and Leader Boehner:

    As Congress considers whether to provide federal assistance to Ford, General Motors and Chrysler, we believe it is critical that you appreciate the important role of the Big 3 in the U.S. economy. Although historically the Big 3 has by their own admission been slowto react to changing market conditions, they clearly were on the path toward substantive change prior to the collapse of the credit markets. Couple the credit crisis with the deteriorating levels of consumer confi dence and rising unemployment, and it becomes apparent that one or more of the Detroit-based automakers will likely fail without federal
    assistance. The ramifications of even one manufacturer failing would impact many related industries and pose a signifi cant threat to the overall economy, which is why we support temporary federal assistance for the Big 3 automakers.

    The U.S. automotive industry supports over three million jobs in all 50 states, invests over $12 billion annually in research and development and provides products that are fundamental to the functioning of key industry sectors within the U.S. The rental car industry is the largest purchaser of vehicles from the Big 3, purchasing approximately 1.8 million vehicles per year. The failure of the Big 3 would significantly impact the rental car industry by further reducing vehicle residual values, increasing the
    cost of rental car fi nancing, and limiting a critical source of vehicle supply to the industry.

    We support temporary access to government financing that will enable the Big 3 to remain viable. Federal assistance should be conditioned upon the Big 3 taking appropriate steps to right size their cost structures in a timely and orderly manner. Federal assistance should also be coupled with a mechanism to ensure an appropriate level of accountability to protect taxpayer dollars.
    Thank you for your consideration of our views.

    Sincerely,

    Ronald L. Nelson
    Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
    Avis Budget Group, Inc.

    Mark P. Frissora
    Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
    The Hertz Corporation

    Andrew C. Taylor
    Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
    Enterprise Rent-A-Car
    Scott L. Thompson

    President and Chief Executive Officer
    Dollar Thrifty Automotive Group

    cc: The Honorable Barney Frank, Chairman, Committee on Financial Services
    The Honorable Spencer Bachus, Ranking Member, Committee on Financial Services
    (My question....whats so honorable about these people)

    After forwarding this letter to me she told me that their auto supplier(not naming so I don't give her company away) will be dumping close to 2,000 cars on all top locations. The inventory at the manufacturer level is too great and they need to reduce it. She told me that according to their contract they were obligate to accept these new cars, despite no need and no use for these cars. For the first time since she can remember they have more cars than reservations on a holiday.

    Here is letter #2: (GET THIS - THEY want to be eligible to tap FED money!!!)

    December 8, 2008

    Honorable Nancy Pelosi
    Offi ce of the Speaker of the House of Representatives
    H-232 Capitol Building
    Washington, D.C. 20515

    Honorable John Boehner
    Offi ce of the Republican Leader
    H-204 Capitol Building
    Washington, D.C. 20515

    Dear Speaker Pelosi and Leader Boehner:

    As Congress considers whether to provide federal assistance to Ford, General Motors and Chrysler, we believe it is critical that you appreciate the important role of the Big 3 in the U.S. economy. Although historically the Big 3 has by their own admission been slow to react to changing market conditions, they clearly were on the path toward substantive change prior to the collapse of the credit markets. Couple the credit crisis with the deteriorating levels of consumer confi dence and rising unemployment, and it becomes apparent that one or more of the Detroit-based automakers will likely fail without federal
    assistance. The ramifi cations of even one manufacturer failing would impact many related industries and pose a signifi cant threat to the overall economy, which is why we support temporary federal assistance for the Big 3 automakers.
    The U.S. automotive industry supports over three million jobs in all 50 states, invests over $12 billion annually in research and development and provides products that are fundamental to the functioning of key industry sectors within the U.S.

    The rental car industry is the largest purchaser of vehicles from the Big 3, purchasing approximately 1.8 million vehicles per year. The failure of the Big 3 would significantly impact the rental car industry by further reducing vehicle residual values, increasing the cost of rental car financing, and limiting a critical source of vehicle supply to the industry.

    We view the Federal Reserve Board’s creation of the Commercial Funding Facility, designed to assist financial institutions which provide commercial paper and the Treasury Departments Term Asset Backed Loan Facility to boost consumer loans for automobiles and student loans as positive steps. While, in theory, these facilities should provide access to the credit markets enabling our companies to obtain financing for fleet purchases, we have instead been deemed ineligible for such programs as we are not fi nancial institutions
    and our methods of fleet financing preclude us from program participation.
    As Congress reviews large scale bail out options for automobile manufacturers, the car rental industry is seeking only a modest amount of support. We ask Congress simply to direct the Treasury Department to create a program similar to the Commercial Paper Funding Facility or the Term Asset Backed Loan Facility for which our companies can qualify and be deemed eligible participants. Our proposal would recognize that asset backed securities, such as variable funding notes with appropriate investment grade ratings, A-1/P-1 commercial paper with maturities as short as 30 days and A-2/P-2 rated
    commercial paper are worthy of assistance until the credit markets ease up.

    We urge you to take appropriate action and create a viable program within the Treasury department that supports these objectives and allows our industry—including our employees, suppliers and investors—to continue on the road to success.

    Thank you for your consideration of our views.

    Sincerely,

    Ronald L. Nelson
    Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
    Avis Budget Group, Inc.

    Mark P. Frissora
    Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
    The Hertz Corporation

    Andrew C. Taylor
    Chairman and Chief Executive Officer
    Enterprise Rent-A-Car

    Scott L. Thompson
    President and Chief Executive Officer
    Dollar Thrifty Automotive Group

    cc: The Honorable Barney Frank, Chairman, Committee on Financial Services
    The Honorable Spencer Bachus, Ranking Member, Committee on Financial Services
    That was predictable ...

    In the next few days Hank Paulson will present us a new initiative derived from TARP....

    The Car Rental Asset Plan or .... CRAP ....

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    Re: After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

    Originally posted by $#* View Post
    Everybody knows by now, that after ZIRP , next we will have NIRP...

    But many are asking themselves what is going to happen next after the Big 3 Bailout?...

    Here is the answer provided by an insider:
    http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticke...glepost=899285

    That was predictable ...

    In the next few days Hank Paulson will present us a new initiative derived from TARP....

    The Car Rental Asset Plan or .... CRAP ....
    That will never happen!

    That'd be like putting a gun to their head a pulling the trigger!

    That's Tin Foil Hat bullshit!

    I will not have this Tin Foil Hat shit on my board!

    I'm immediately moving this to the Tin Fol Hat forum!

    Anyone who posts this Tin Foil Hat crap will be banned. Banned, hear me!!!




    Sorry but that's the best Karl immitation I can do. :cool:
    Ed.

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    • #3
      Re: After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

      Originally posted by $#* View Post
      Everybody knows by now, that after ZIRP , next we will have NIRP...

      But many are asking themselves what is going to happen next after the Big 3 Bailout?...

      Here is the answer provided by an insider:
      http://www.tickerforum.org/cgi-ticke...glepost=899285

      That was predictable ...

      In the next few days Hank Paulson will present us a new initiative derived from TARP....

      The Car Rental Asset Plan or .... CRAP ....
      Like any well run growth business, Paulson's Virtual Soup Kitchen expands its customer base beyond bankers & insurers [and Detroit automakers]...:rolleyes:

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      • #4
        Re: After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

        I see your post and raise ya'

        http://itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7062

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Glenn Black View Post
          Yup Glen, but my post was about not a joke. Those letter are supposed to be real.

          And now another one. After the Car Rental Asset Program there is another CRAP coming from the same morons:

          http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/989db158-c...077b07658.html

          Hedge funds gain access to $200bn Fed aid

          By Krishna Guha in Washington
          Published: December 20 2008 05:01 | Last updated: December 20 2008 05:01

          Hedge funds will be allowed to borrow from the Federal Reserve for the first time under a landmark $200bn programme intended to support consumer credit.
          The Fed said on Friday it would offer low-cost three-year funding to any US company investing in securitised consumer loans under the Term Asset-backed Securities Loan Facility (TALF). This includes hedge funds, which have never been able to borrow from the US central bank before, although the Fed may not permit hedge funds to use offshore vehicles to conduct the transactions.



          The asset-backed securities to be funded under the programme are pools of credit card receivables, automobile loans and student loans.
          The idea is to increase the supply of these loans and reduce borrowing rates by ensuring that the companies that make the loans can sell them on to investors who have guaranteed access to low-cost funding from the Fed.
          The TALF is a key plank of the unorthodox strategy set out by the Fed last week as it cut interest rates virtually to zero. Washington insiders expect the programme will be dramatically expanded next year with further capital support from Treasury once the Obama administration takes office.
          A senior official in the outgoing Bush administration told the Financial Times it could also be broadened to include new commercial and residential mortgage-backed securities.
          The Fed thinks risk premiums or “spreads” for consumer loans are much higher than would be justified by likely default rates, even assuming a nasty recession.
          It attributes this to a lack of buying interest in the secondary market where the loans are sold on to investors. By making loans to these investors on attractive terms it aims to increase market liquidity.
          Making the scheme open to all US companies is a radical departure for the Fed, which normally supports financial market liquidity indirectly by ensuring banks have adequate liquidity to make loans to other investors.
          However, the liquidity the Fed is providing to banks is not flowing through to financial markets, because banks are balance-sheet constrained and risk-averse. So it is channelling funds directly to investors.
          The scheme is not designed specifically for hedge funds and a wide range of financial institutions are likely to participate.
          Nonetheless, Fed officials hope that hedge funds will be among those investors that take advantage of the low-cost finance to drive down spreads.
          The loans will be secured only against the securities and not the borrower. However, the Fed will lend slightly less than the value of the securities pledged as collateral. The Treasury has committed $20bn to cover potential losses.
          Since the credit crisis erupted, hedge funds have complained that they cannot get the leverage they need to arbitrage away excessive spreads and meet high hurdle rates of return.
          “Demand is there for leverage but not supply,” said Sylvan Chackman, head of global equity financing at Merrill Lynch.
          In effect, the Fed will now take on the role of prime broker – the lead bank that lends to a hedge fund – for specific assets.
          Things are so surreal these days ....

          WTF???! are the taxpayers supposed to provide leverage for the hedgefunds so they can make 20% profits ??? Tiffany is a consumer retailer operation like Costco and Walmart?
          If the hedgefunds cannot get the "leverage they need to arbitrate excessive spreads and meet high hurdle rates of returns" maybe they should stop rellying on doing bussiness based on excessive arbitrage....

          These guys are like crack whores, but their crack is represented by obscene profits and easy money and they are willing to screw us every possible wy in order to get their fix. If only Bernie Madoff woudl have lasted for another month he would have been safe with all that Tarp money.

          Soon both Osama Bin Laden and John Stewart will be put out of business.

          I guess both are completely crushed when they are seeing what Hank and Ben are doing, and probably both are shaking their heads in horror saying to themselves:

          "F**k it! We can't compete with this shit!"
          Last edited by Supercilious; December 20, 2008, 02:26 AM.

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          • #6
            Re: After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

            I absolutely can not believe that the Fed is going to play prime broker to hedgies. That's it for me....nothing the government does from this point out will surprise me and I am willing to consider any theory, regardless of how crazy it sounds. Should I buy a tinfoil hat now or wait for the after Christmas sale?

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            • #7
              Re: After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

              Originally posted by mercerbear View Post
              I absolutely can not believe that the Fed is going to play prime broker to hedgies. That's it for me....nothing the government does from this point out will surprise me and I am willing to consider any theory, regardless of how crazy it sounds. Should I buy a tinfoil hat now or wait for the after Christmas sale?

              You should go buy the needed gift card before Dec. 31st of course!:p

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              • #8
                Re: After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

                Is anyone willing to short the prediction that Madoff's best connected 'customers' will be bailed out "by hook or by crook" ?

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                • #9
                  Re: After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

                  Originally posted by $#* View Post
                  Yup Glen, but my post was about not a joke. Those letter are supposed to be real.

                  And now another one. After the Car Rental Asset Program there is another CRAP coming from the same morons:

                  http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/989db158-c...077b07658.html

                  Things are so surreal these days ....

                  WTF???! are the taxpayers supposed to provide leverage for the hedgefunds so they can make 20% profits ??? Tiffany is a consumer retailer operation like Costco and Walmart?
                  If the hedgefunds cannot get the "leverage they need to arbitrate excessive spreads and meet high hurdle rates of returns" maybe they should stop rellying on doing bussiness based on excessive arbitrage....

                  These guys are like crack whores, but their crack is represented by obscene profits and easy money and they are willing to screw us every possible wy in order to get their fix. If only Bernie Madoff woudl have lasted for another month he would have been safe with all that Tarp money.

                  Soon both Osama Bin Laden and John Stewart will be put out of business.

                  I guess both are completely crushed when they are seeing what Hank and Ben are doing, and probably both are shaking their heads in horror saying to themselves:

                  "F**k it! We can't compete with this shit!"
                  Before a country can put capital controls on its own citizens, it has to create the need for those capital controls...;)

                  Now, if you have already come to the conclusion that you cannot compete with this shzt, it's not a very big leap to understand what one needs to do next. But then you already knew that...

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                  • #10
                    Re: After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

                    Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                    Before a country can put capital controls on its own citizens, it has to create the need for those capital controls...;)

                    Now, if you have already come to the conclusion that you cannot compete with this shzt, it's not a very big leap to understand what one needs to do next. But then you already knew that...
                    Get the first part, (not that slow)

                    Don't get the second part (okay, I am that slow, could you be explicit and simple, please?)

                    Thanks.

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                    • #11
                      Re: After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

                      Originally posted by jtabeb View Post
                      Get the first part, (not that slow)

                      Don't get the second part (okay, I am that slow, could you be explicit and simple, please?)

                      Thanks.
                      You also know the answer jtabeb... Get your money out...before the boyz close the door [after they have already gotten theirs out, be assured].

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                      • #12
                        Re: After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

                        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                        You also know the answer jtabeb... Get your money out...before the boyz close the door [after they have already gotten theirs out, be assured].
                        Where are you planning on living during this? That job in SA is sounding better and better

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                        • #13
                          Re: After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

                          Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
                          You also know the answer jtabeb... Get your money out...before the boyz close the door [after they have already gotten theirs out, be assured].
                          I don't think I have enough to make it worth getting out. Nowhere to go, really, either, at least not if I want to work. Just have to batten down the hatches and live through whatever crap happens. This is F'd up! :mad:

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                          • #14
                            Re: After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

                            Originally posted by Andreuccio View Post
                            I don't think I have enough to make it worth getting out. Nowhere to go, really, either, at least not if I want to work. Just have to batten down the hatches and live through whatever crap happens. This is F'd up! :mad:
                            Andreuccio, I think your lament is probably shared by a lot of people. As I see it, they are trapped in America and all that it offers or doesn't offer. Whether people here have been screwed by their own actions, or people have been screwed by the inactions of the elected officials I don't know exactly, but I suppose the average person paying attention (if he or she is) expects the government to do something that will begin to set things straighter. Their reasoned argument is to participate in the electoral process because the option for most is otherwise to take whatever is dished out to them without any voice whatever. As I see it, either participating with the hope that new officials will do whatever might be the best thing, or chosing to do nothing will end up with the same result: the elected officials will continue to do what they have done best for decades which is to look after themselves first and continue to try to be re-elected so that they can look after themselves first.
                            Jim 69 y/o

                            "...Texans...the lowest form of white man there is." Robert Duvall, as Al Sieber, in "Geronimo." (see "Location" for examples.)

                            Dedicated to the idea that all people deserve a chance for a healthy productive life. B&M Gates Fdn.

                            Good judgement comes from experience; experience comes from bad judgement. Unknown.

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                            • #15
                              Re: After the Big 3 bailout , next ...

                              You should note that capital controls are intended to keep money in the country in question. Not money out.

                              Having money elsewhere accessible via wire transfer, ATM, or what not is not going to a problem...unless you didn't declare it and are accessing it via traceable means.

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