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  • Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...njw&refer=home

    General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC will get $13.4 billion in emergency government loans in exchange for substantially restructuring their businesses, President George W. Bush announced.
    Carrying out the self-imposed death sentence on GM, Chrysler, and Ford (a.k.a. the Detroit 3) has been delayed for now, but can they get a Presidential Pardon? Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. While this government bailout buys them time, they need a plan to go forward.

    The Detroit 3 had more than 30 years to generate a great plan. That's what got us to this point today. Some plan, eh? Giving them a few more weeks isn't going to generate an eureka in the Detroit boardrooms.

    Similarly, they had and blew billions of dollars. Giving them another $13.4 billion to blow is throwing good money after bad if they do more of the same.

    Will the fear of almost going bankrupt smarten them up? They have had numerous "moments of truth", crisis after crisis, over the last 30 years. This self-inflicted wound is just more of the same.

    So what's going to make this time any different? That's the $13.4 billion dollar question. Besides a coup d'etat, followed by competent leaders who do a wholesale change in management philosophy, direction, and effective implementation; I don't know.

    What I do know is that the Detroit 3 won't be saved by making more cars.

    Global warming says we already have too many cars. Dwindling oil reserves and the "soon to start rising again" price of energy says we need a better way.

    There has been massive pre-selling of many years worth of future sales in the car markets by 0% financing, deep discounted prices, and all-out saturation marketing. The market is saturated with new cars. Enough already! For the most part, everyone who needed a new car has recently bought already.

    The median age of cars on the US road is now 9.2 years, up dramatically from 7.5 years median age just 10 years. As the OEM's build better and better cars, the market shrinks. The cumilative number of cars a person needs in their lifetime is dropping every year as reliability and longevity of cars improves.

    Radial tires last twice as long as the old bias tire technology. When Michelin invented the radial tire in 1942, they knew the world would be buying half as many tires if everyone was converted. When you sell tires, and new technology threatens to cut the market in half, you have to think twice before you go down that road. Fortunately, Michelin decided to do what was best for their customers, and went ahead with developing and selling the radial tire. It worked for Michelin. Can the Detroit 3 benefit from similar daring?

    What's the largest consumer of oil in the US? Transportation consumes 68%, and is the single largest consumer of petroleum oil. The purchase of oil is one of the largest transfers of wealth out of the US and into foreign hands. The burning of that oil as diesel and gasoline creates huge amounts of pollution and GHG (Green House Gasses). Can we afford (in $ and pollution) a huge, government subsidized push to put a new car into everybody's driveway? True, new cars are less polluting and more fuel efficient than older cars, but an internal conbustion engine is only 30% efficient. More of the same is going into the past, not the future.

    I think the N. American automotive industry needs to re-invent themselves.

    Once upon a time, there was a manufacturer of shoe polish. The company fell on hard times during a recession, so they started giving away a free small brush with every can of shoe polish. The customers liked the brushes more than the polish, so the company dropped the polish and went into manufacturing brushes. Many years later, another recession came along. To boost sales of their brushes, the company decided to give away a stick of chewing gum when the customers bought their brushes. As you may have guessed, the customers liked the gum more than the brushes, so the company dropped the brushes and focussed on making chewing gum. When the 1929 crash came, the chewing gum company was one of the few to launch national advertising programs for their chewing gum. Because of this, they grew dramatically, and are a leader in their industry today (Wrigley Chewing Gum). They weren't afraid to re-invent themselves, and earned the right to survive.

    Can the Detroit 3 do the same?

    I may be wrong, but I believe if the Detroit 3 stay exclusively in cars, they will continue to wither till they're nothing but a shadow of their former selves, and probably won't last another 10 years, with or without monthly blank cheques from the government.

    So what are the Detroit 3 to do? Where will they go?

    I learned many years ago, when you have one problem, look for other problems. Then try and develop one solution that solves 2 or more of the problems simultaneously. Win-win-win solutions have huge gains and huge driving forces pushing you towards the finish line.

    Let me add some more clues. Seventy-six (76%) of all electricity is consumed by buildings (homes, offices, etc.). Grid electricity is generated at 38% to 42% efficiency, the rest is rejected as heat and pollution into the air and water next to the generating plant. Very wasteful. Once the electricity leaves the generating plant, 9% to 15% more is wasted as resistance in the wires, transformers, and switchgear. That makes our current electrical generating & distribution system about 30% efficient.

    Some think the Chevy Volt, a plug-it-in vehicle that has a range of 40 miles is the salvation. The current technology for battery chargers, batteries, and drive motors are about 65% efficient. Combining this with 30% efficient electricity delivered to the garage where the Chevy Volt is plugged in gives us an over-all cycle efficiency of 19.5%. As I said before, the internal combustion engine is 30% efficient. Again, we're going in the wrong direction. Some may say the Chevy Volt isn't a home run, but at least it gets us to first base. I disagree. Electricity is very convenient, but very expensive, and very wasteful. The use of electricity needs to be minimized in all countries, not expanded further.

    So what is the future for the Detroit 3, and other OEM car makers around the world?

    I suggest that they make a hard right turn and enter the building heating business with MCHP (Micro Combined Heat and Power).

    A large percentage of Japanese homes have an internal combustion engine that generates electricity and heat. These machines use the very best of technologies, with catalytic converter, electronic ignition, on-board computer, heat recovery, and electric power controls and filtering.

    If excess electricity is generated, it is pushed back to the grid for the use by others. Unlike windmills, MCHP can be installed just about anywhere on the electrical grid without upgrade to the grid.

    About 33% of the fuel energy (ie. from natural gas, diesel, gasoline, or propane) is used to generate electricity. The rest is given off as heat. The heat can be used to generate DHW (Domestic Hot Water), which is 25% of a home's total energy consumption. Alternatively, the heat can be used for space heating, which typically consumes 57% of a building's total energy consumption. Small MCHP units will generate 1,200 watts of electricity from a machine the size of a small bar fridge. Large MCHP systems are the size of a standard refrigerator, can generate 60 kW, and 10 of these can be daisy-chained together for a total power output of 0.6 Megawatts.

    MCHP has an overall efficiency of up to 94%, as good as or better than the most energy efficient condensing furnace, but unlike a furnace that consumes electricity from the grid, MCHP also generates electricity for use inside the building, or for export to the grid.

    Almost all of the technologies that the Detroit 3 have developed (and are very good at) would be used in the design and manufacturing of MCHP units.

    North America has a big problem in our stock of buildings. It may seem hard to believe, but there was no thermal insulation required by the building codes prior to 1950's. Many of these buildings are very thermally inefficient. Same with the systems used to heat them. We need wholesale upgrade of our old buildings. Furnaces wear out after 20 years and have to be replaced. We have a need, but insufficient capacity in the industry to do a wholesale replacement program.

    Our economy, as is the world's, is in tatters. We need jobs and projects to re-vitalize the nation.

    I think we can combine these all together into one gigantic project. WIn-win-win.

    Phase I: A government program needs to be defined to subsidize the design, purchase, and installation of energy efficient space heating and DHW systems for all buildings in N. America, and the thermal insulation upgrading of all buildings. The program is announced now, and applications can be submitted to reserve your spot, but it can't start until Phase II is ready. The people sign up, pay their deposit. Specialists visit, help the people pick the best solution. The number and type chosen is forwarded to Phase II so they know what to design and build in advance.

    Phase II: Any and all companies that want DOE (Department of Energy) funding to develop the necessary technologies and products for use in Phase I can submit an application. For the next 3 months, a spot is reserved at the front of the application line for the Detroit 3. After that, it's first come, first served.

    Once the technology is designed, tested to meet DOE requirements, it can be matched to those who signed up under Phase I.

    All of the technologies developed in this program will be automatically available for licencing at a reasonable fee by all other participants, thereby avoiding patent and intellectual property gridlock. There will be multiple deadlines and milestones with full disclosure at each stage, so if you fall behind, you have a chance to catch up along the way; avoiding one big winner and many losers.

    If you don't work hard, or are incompetent, your DOE funding is eventually cut. Keep screwing up, you will be barred from the Phase I government funding for installation of your proposed solution.

    Can the Detroit 3 survive under this demanding but fair development process? Boeing has their Skunk Works. Maybe the Detroit 3 can learn a few thinks from them, NUMMI, and their years of manufacturing excellence to excel in this environment. If not, they deserve to die as soon as possible as hopeless and hapless dinosaurs.

    Phase III: Crews of tradesmen are trained and prepared to install the equipment. This may be an excellent opportunity for UAW members who are willing to leave the assembly line behind. There training is completed at the same time Phase I and II are completed.

    Phase IV: The systems are installed all across N. America at a rate that can continue in a sustained manner. It would be crazy to go at break-neck speed, where we get the entire country upgraded in 5 years but the systems wear out in 20 years, so everybody would have to go on Unemployment Benefits for the next 15 years, awaiting the wearing out of the initial systems. Instead, if we convert just 5% of the building stock every year, it will take 20 years to replace everything the first time, and then the systems that were first installed are ready for replacement/refurbishment.

    That's enough to get you thinking.

    So, what do you think? Will it work? Is it the right priority? Is it feasible? Are their overwhelming risks that I missed? If not, when do we get started?

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    Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

    Here is your answer:

    http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7061

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    • #3
      Line ups for "Free" Money

      Whenever there is something unique, there will be long line ups. We see people line up for 3 days in lawn chairs and sleeping bags for rock concert tickets. Can we expect different behaviour for free money from the government?

      I find it interesting that "free" is context specific.

      For example, a worm on a hook seems "free" to a fish contemplating dinner. To the person on the other end of the line, the worm is "cost of doing business".

      What will be the other prospective for all this "free" government money?
      Last edited by Glenn Black; December 20, 2008, 09:48 AM. Reason: new title

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      • #4
        Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

        Glenn,

        Your example about reinvention is a good one.

        And it is absolutely true that bailouts only postpone the need for re-invention - if not delay so much that it becomes impossible.

        But the future roadmap doesn't need to be outside of transportation.

        There is no reason why at least some of the technology and techniques used to make cars cannot be redirected toward some type of mass transit system.

        For example, a combination of routing technology, automated control systems, and mass transit/power distribution systems could be used to create a middle ground between the present solo car and the bus/train paradigm.

        Science Fiction has for years talked about systems where tracked pods could be used to service high density areas. Each pod has many similar requirements as the basic automobile, but with significant commodity-based infrastructure build around it.

        Of course cars won't disappear, but with over half the population in cities there is no reason why it can't happen - especially if the US government is determined to throw trillions of dollars away anyway.

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        • #5
          Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

          Originally posted by Glenn Black View Post
          http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...njw&refer=home



          Carrying out the self-imposed death sentence on GM, Chrysler, and Ford (a.k.a. the Detroit 3) has been delayed for now, but can they get a Presidential Pardon? Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way. While this government bailout buys them time, they need a plan to go forward.

          The Detroit 3 had more than 30 years to generate a great plan. That's what got us to this point today. Some plan, eh? Giving them a few more weeks isn't going to generate an eureka in the Detroit boardrooms...
          I have to wonder if $1.50 a gallon gasoline buys them a lot more time and breathing space than $13B - $17B of taxpayer "loans"?

          If GM can't sell the Hummer [division] they will certainly keep selling Hummers. And their chances of continuing to play that game, at least for a while longer, have been greatly enhanced with the fall in gasoline.

          About 30 years ago, as a Mech Eng graduate, I went through the GM interview process all the way to a job offer, that I subsequently declined. The two main reasons for that decision were: 1) a perception that there was a remarkably insular culture in the management ranks of the company; and 2) an observation that almost every senior technical position in the corporation was filled by a graduate of General Motors Institute (GMI, now known as Kettering University) which at that time was funded by GM. Condition 2 probably contributed to 1, but regardless it seemed to me that a non-GMI graduate, like me, would have difficulty advancing in the company. I am in agreement with you that today's difficulties are at least partly rooted in circumstances that go back decades.
          Last edited by GRG55; December 20, 2008, 01:42 PM.

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            Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

            I'm one of those GMI guys.

            There is a engineering arrogance in GM that's spread throughout. I still remember Jim Queen, Global VP engineering, answer the question: Why is GM going global? "Because we can!"

            It's the same attitude initially seen in Washington: "We need tax payer money", why? "Because we're GM".

            And don't get me started about GM and America jobs. Congress missed it completely. Where do you think GM gets all their parts???

            And when did we redefine US jobs to include Mexico and Canada???
            Scott

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            • #7
              Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

              Thanks for the feedback.

              GM used to own GM Diesel, now sold to General Dynamics. They built train locomotives, and armoured personnel carriers. Gone but not forgotten. This could have come in handy for mass transit.

              A lot of cities are now doing rapid light rail transport ("LRT"), similar to Bombardier. These LRT systems synergize bus, trolly, and subway systems.

              I agree these are possibilities, but how many cities have the densities and the corridors to use them?

              The Detroit 3 have their major skills in engineering high tech systems, mass production/manufacturing, distribution, service/dealer network, and retail sales (through dealers).

              Mass transit would have high tech no doubt, but low volume/high value items (ie. batch manufacturing). Mass production vs batch is similar but significantly different. Low cost mass production vs. high value/ few made is a whole different ballgame. Distribution & dealers are cut out completely. No retail nor advertising/marketing. I therefore conclude that mass transit is close, but not a perfect fit to Detroit 3's current skills.

              Do you see that they need a shock, a significant stretch to smarten them up, so their less cocky? If so, then mass transit may be an avenue. I'm not sure about this. I think they'll have enough to do with 100% match but right angled turn.

              To clarify, I'm not suggesting they abandon automotive. They can go after as much of the market as they can grab. I just see the market has shrunk severely. They have way too many people, assets, plants, etc. for the auto market that's left today.

              I understand low occupancy buses on frequent routes have similar energy needs to a multitude of smaller, lighter cars that run only when needed. Low density urban sprawl hurts the logic of the mass transit option. Does anybody have better insight into this?

              What you are suggesting would seem to have a long lead time. I would guess a decade or two. What's your guess?

              That long lead time worries me. I'm afraid many in & out of the auto sector have the attention span of a 6 yr. old. I think my proposal has a 3 to 5 year horizon. I scared that maybe all these "instant pudding" boys in government, banks, Detroit 3 management, UAW exec, workers, next door neighbours, etc. may not have the staying power for some re-birth plan that is longer than a year.

              I wanted a plan that could be implemented in 12 months or less. I don't know if something that quick exists. The 3 to 5 yrs was the best I could come up with by myself. Perhaps if we all put our heads together we can do better than my solo flight of fancy.

              So, who can take my idea and further improve on it.

              Samuri swords were created by using the very best steel in the world. That steel is super hard yet not brittle. All of the impurities (ie. microscopic sized slag, wayward crystal structure, etc.) have been pounded out of the steel. Cross sections taken out of samuri sword show 10,000 to 100,000 layers in the steel blade, folded over while red hot then pounded together until it welds together. It is all the folding, pounding, & working of the steel that purifies it and makes it the very best.

              Great ideas are created the same way. So I invite all to hammer away at my initial draft idea. By hitting it with your best shot, you will make it better, or you will show the weaknesses, and we will find solutions or better ideas to take their place. In the end, all of us together will have created a great idea that will help the Detroit 3.

              After that, we will tackle a truly impossible task: the banksters & Wall Street.

              But remember, every impossible task is composed of, and can be broken down into thousands of possible, but difficult tasks.

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              • #8
                Just give me one more hit of that cheap gas...

                I agree. Cheap gas is their narcotic. It will be just like 1975 after the Arab Oil Embargo. All of the prayers and promises of a few years before will be forgotten. They will fall back into their old, evil ways.

                So what do we do?

                Oil will probably stay low until this economic crisis comes to an end, in spite of Peak Oil. But watch out after that. It will rise like a rocket.

                How do we convince the Detroit 3 management, UAW, government, customers, everybody, that we need to change now & not look back?

                When Alexander the Great decided to attack an island, he loaded his warriors onto ships for their first time, and sailed across to the island. They landed on the far side of the island, away from the city they were going to attack. They had enough food and water for a few days. Alexander ordered the ships burned. Obviously, his men were quite upset by this. He told them that the city they were going to attack had many other ships, food, water, and gold. Once they attacked, all that the city enjoyed would be theirs. If they didn't attack immediately, the city would soon attack them, and they would all die and lie in unmarked graves never to be honoured by their family. Alexander had decided to attack this city on the island. He cut off all other courses of action. His men attacked the city and won.

                Detroit 3 needs to decide if they will live or die. They need to focus. They need to have all other options cut off so there is only one path left for them to take.

                What is that one path?

                How do we help them focus but cutting off all other options and possibilities?

                Has the bailout and the strings attached to the $17 billion already done this critical step?

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                • #9
                  Global Arrogance

                  Some economists have defined "dark matter" to explain how US investments overseas have consistently provided higher returns than other country's overseas investments, or other country's investments in the US.

                  GM's overseas investments aren't doing too badly.

                  Maybe that's because the US bosses are somewhat ignored, or locals are better able to achieve the US bosses vision better. Or maybe the US system is better, provided the leaders don't become arrogant.

                  I don't know.

                  As for parts sources, all OEM's are buying the best &/or the cheapest parts on a world-wide basis. The rising cost of JIT and transportation may change that. Toyota built Toyota City decades ago so all their suppliers built their plants right next door to the assembly plant. We could use more of that here in N. America, and some have started that to some degree, but 200 mile radius still isn't 200 ft like Toyota has between customer & supplier.

                  Doing this requires Detroit 3 to establish long term relationships between OEM and supplier, not cut throat bidding where you get tossed out on a 1/10th of a cent difference. Also, suppliers need to work very hard for their OEM partners, rather than see them as the necessary evil but very dangerous OEM customer who is not to be trusted.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

                    Everyone keeps talking about the "bailout for the Detroit 3", but as far as I know Ford didn't take the deal.

                    What's next? Maybe the government manages GM and Chysler into a ditch and Ford picks up the pieces?

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                    • #11
                      Re: Global Arrogance

                      Originally posted by Glenn Black View Post
                      As for parts sources, all OEM's are buying the best &/or the cheapest parts on a world-wide basis. The rising cost of JIT and transportation may change that. Toyota built Toyota City decades ago so all their suppliers built their plants right next door to the assembly plant. We could use more of that here in N. America, and some have started that to some degree, but 200 mile radius still isn't 200 ft like Toyota has between customer & supplier.

                      Doing this requires Detroit 3 to establish long term relationships between OEM and supplier, not cut throat bidding where you get tossed out on a 1/10th of a cent difference. Also, suppliers need to work very hard for their OEM partners, rather than see them as the necessary evil but very dangerous OEM customer who is not to be trusted.
                      http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189

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                      • #12
                        Re: Global Arrogance

                        http://info.detnews.com/video/index.cfm?id=1189

                        Wow, Judas. Thanks for the great addition. This 2 minute video is highly recommended for viewing by all.

                        Judas found a really important video by the Detroit News dated Aug. 2007 looking at Ford's new assembly plant in rural Brazil. State of the art, with integrated assembly lines by Ford's Tier I suppliers, where Tier I suppliers make & deliver their parts 2 ft. from Ford's assembly line, fully integrated.

                        Unfortunately, the video describes how the UAW refuses to allow similar assembly plants to be built in US.

                        Well done, Detroit News, Ford, Brazil, Brazilian workers, Tier I suppliers.

                        Can, will the UAW please explain and justify their position on this issue?

                        What would have happened 40 years ago if the URW (United Rubber Workers) had refused to allow Goodyear, Goodrich, etc. to make them new fangled radial tires that Michelin had invented in France in 1942? What would have naturally happened to US tire manufacturers and the URW?

                        They would be dead dinosaurs, I believe.

                        Change is like a steamroller. You either ride on the steamroller of change, or you're destined to become part of the road.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

                          Ford saw what was coming and started making the necessary changes a few years earlier, and more effectively.

                          However, as consumer market implodes, I fear they will be dragged into the chasm as their weaker brothers before them.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Global Arrogance

                            Originally posted by Glenn Black View Post
                            Unfortunately, the video describes how the UAW refuses to allow similar assembly plants to be built in US.

                            Well done, Detroit News, Ford, Brazil, Brazilian workers, Tier I suppliers.

                            Can, will the UAW please explain and justify their position on this issue
                            This is the crux of the issue. All things lead back to the unions, supplier contracts, etc. What I'm hoping is that Ford hangs tough long enough to force concessions– or by refusing state ownership manuever themselves into a position where they can enter receivership, break their contracts under bankruptcy and start anew. Maybe if they can hang tough long enough for the other two to get forced into making Soviet-style cars designed by Barney Frank they could be the last man standing. Ford knows what must be done and is trying to do so, and obviously isn't as screwed up as GM and Chrysler (but still screwed up of course).

                            Disclosure: I know it's a pipe dream. I'm a Ford driver, and have been since my first car- a 1976 Ford Pinto hatchback with racing stripes, lift kit, 4-barrel, etc... the car my high school friends referred to as the "love macheen"

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                            • #15
                              Re: Auto Sector: Saved for Now, what's next?

                              Glenn,

                              A 'pod' based system is actually much easier and faster to build than a train or light rail.

                              For one thing, the pods themselves are small. The amount of prep work needed to support a pod is much lower than that needed for light rail or even many buses. Secondly the 'pods' could theoretically be inserted into existing roadways.

                              A narrow gauge pod line in the middle of one or more car lanes would allow dual use, for example. Of course, this puts pods at a severe disadvantage in the case of an accident. But another possibility is converting 1 car lane into 2 pod lanes.

                              As for the powering of and engine in said pods - again the challenges are much less for 1 to 3 person vehicles than others. No new technologies.

                              The main challenge would be in control. There would need to be significant software and control systems built to handle smooth operation - but again the semiconductor industry, for example, already uses software to route literally billions of wires. This capability is trivially converted to minimizing overall system congestion, for example, as well as plotting efficient interlocking routes.

                              I'm sure the task is not easy nor cheap, but again it is something which could show results very quickly.

                              And of course while a certain density is necessary, on the other hand such densities already exist in many cities, and would give rise to greater density if available in more urban areas.

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