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    Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

    By Thomas R. Keene and Susanne Walker


    Sept. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Bill Gross, who runs the world’s biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co., said he’s been buying longer maturity Treasuries in recent weeks as protection against deflation.
    “There has been significant flattening on the long end of the curve,” Gross said in an interview from Newport Beach, California, with Bloomberg Radio. “This reflects the re- emergence of deflationary fears. The U.S. is at the center of de-levering as opposed to accelerating growth.”
    Gross had said during the midst of the credit crunch that Treasuries offered little value as investors seeking a refuge from turmoil in global financial markets drove yields to record lows in December. He boosted the $177.5 billion Total Return Fund’s investment in government-related bonds to 44 percent of assets, the most since August 2004, from 25 percent in July, according data released earlier this month on Pimco’s Web site. The fund cut mortgage debt to 38 percent from 47 percent.
    “We’ve exchanged our mortgages for the government’s check” as the Federal Reserve winds down purchases of agency debt, Gross said today. “Mortgages are expensive compared to Treasuries and other vehicles.”
    Fed policy makers last week committed to complete their $1.45 trillion in purchases of mortgage securities and extended the end of the program to March from December.
    Policy Reversal
    Pimco’s Total Return Fund handed investors a 17.85 percent gain in the past year, beating 94 percent of its peers, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The one-month return is 1.94 percent, outpacing 57 percent of its competitors. Pimco is a unit of Munich-based insurer Allianz SE.
    Pimco in July reversed a policy to steer clear of U.S. debt when it said it would buy five- to 10-year Treasury securities.
    “With Treasury yields near the top of our expected range, Pimco plans to overweight duration and take exposure to the five- to 10-year portion of the yield curve,” the firm said July 20 in a report on its Web site.
    On that day, the yield on the 10-year note touched an intra-day high of 3.72 percent and a low of 3.57 percent. The note yielded 3.29 percent at 10:36 a.m. today in New York.
    Gross said intermediate- to long-term bonds will perform well as long as policy rates and inflation remain low, after minutes of the Federal Open Market Committee’s Aug. 11-12 meeting was released on Sept. 2.
    ‘New Normal’
    Officials at Pimco have forecast a “new normal” in the global economy that will include heightened government regulation, lower consumption and slower growth. The economy will likely expand at a 2 percent to 3 percent rate going forward, Gross said.



    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a5qkMIPH67tQ

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    "“With Treasury yields near the top of our expected range,"

    This reminds me of Harry Browne describing how much easier & safer it was to trade forex back when there were fixed exchange bands. All you had to do was buy / cover shorts near the lower limit and sell / take profits on longs near the higher limit.

    With the Fed keeping rates within tight limits, it's the same game - guvm'nt guaranteed profits.

    That's until the long forgotten mythical bond vigilantes ride over the horizon one day, of course . . .
    Last edited by cobben; September 29, 2009, 03:09 PM.
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    • #3
      Re: Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

      Originally posted by cobben View Post
      "“With Treasury yields near the top of our expected range,"

      This reminds me of Harry Browne describing how much easier & safer it was to trade forex back when there were fixed exchanged bands. All you had to do was buy / cover shorts near the lower limit and sell / take profits on longs near the higher limit.

      With the Fed keeping rates within tight limits, it's the same game - guvm'nt guaranteed profits.

      That's until the long forgotten mythical bond vigilantes ride over the horizon one day, of course . . .
      The question is when will that "one day" arrive?

      In one day, one month, one half year, one year, one half decade, or one decade?
      Jim 69 y/o

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        Re: Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

        Originally posted by Jim Nickerson View Post
        The question is when will that "one day" arrive?

        In one day, one month, one half year, one year, one half decade, or one decade?
        wasn't he pimping tips not all that long ago?

        bill gross is at his best when he admits he's always talking his book... deflation... pimpco nirvana.

        this... not...



        btw, argentina's bonds traded at a premium to ust for most of 1998 - 2000. what were they smoking?
        Last edited by metalman; September 29, 2009, 03:00 PM.

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        • #5
          Re: Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

          Metal
          Might i beg your help, as you know i simple can't get my head round "Return free risk".....Does this chap not see that at any monment China could (will) pull the rug?

          Mike

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          • #6
            Re: Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

            Originally posted by Mega View Post
            Metal
            Might i beg your help, as you know i simple can't get my head round "Return free risk".....Does this chap not see that at any monment China could (will) pull the rug?

            Mike
            what went on in the argentina bond holders' heads in 1998 - 2000 before the bond market crashed? mass delusion... can't happen to the usa or the uk. nope... we own the casino.

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            • #7
              Re: Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

              Originally posted by metalman View Post
              what went on in the argentina bond holders' heads in 1998 - 2000 before the bond market crashed? mass delusion... can't happen to the usa or the uk. nope... we own the casino.
              Do we own the casino? or does China, Japan and other creditor nations buying our debt?

              Or were you just being sarcastic?

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              • #8
                Re: Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

                Time to sell my long treasuries.



                Originally posted by jk View Post
                Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

                By Thomas R. Keene and Susanne Walker


                Sept. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Bill Gross, who runs the world’s biggest bond fund at Pacific Investment Management Co., said he’s been buying longer maturity Treasuries in recent weeks as protection against deflation.
                “There has been significant flattening on the long end of the curve,” Gross said in an interview from Newport Beach, California, with Bloomberg Radio. “This reflects the re- emergence of deflationary fears. The U.S. is at the center of de-levering as opposed to accelerating growth.”
                Gross had said during the midst of the credit crunch that Treasuries offered little value as investors seeking a refuge from turmoil in global financial markets drove yields to record lows in December. He boosted the $177.5 billion Total Return Fund’s investment in government-related bonds to 44 percent of assets, the most since August 2004, from 25 percent in July, according data released earlier this month on Pimco’s Web site. The fund cut mortgage debt to 38 percent from 47 percent.
                “We’ve exchanged our mortgages for the government’s check” as the Federal Reserve winds down purchases of agency debt, Gross said today. “Mortgages are expensive compared to Treasuries and other vehicles.”
                Fed policy makers last week committed to complete their $1.45 trillion in purchases of mortgage securities and extended the end of the program to March from December.
                Policy Reversal
                Pimco’s Total Return Fund handed investors a 17.85 percent gain in the past year, beating 94 percent of its peers, according to data compiled by Bloomberg. The one-month return is 1.94 percent, outpacing 57 percent of its competitors. Pimco is a unit of Munich-based insurer Allianz SE.
                Pimco in July reversed a policy to steer clear of U.S. debt when it said it would buy five- to 10-year Treasury securities.
                “With Treasury yields near the top of our expected range, Pimco plans to overweight duration and take exposure to the five- to 10-year portion of the yield curve,” the firm said July 20 in a report on its Web site.
                On that day, the yield on the 10-year note touched an intra-day high of 3.72 percent and a low of 3.57 percent. The note yielded 3.29 percent at 10:36 a.m. today in New York.
                Gross said intermediate- to long-term bonds will perform well as long as policy rates and inflation remain low, after minutes of the Federal Open Market Committee’s Aug. 11-12 meeting was released on Sept. 2.
                ‘New Normal’
                Officials at Pimco have forecast a “new normal” in the global economy that will include heightened government regulation, lower consumption and slower growth. The economy will likely expand at a 2 percent to 3 percent rate going forward, Gross said.



                http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=a5qkMIPH67tQ

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                • #9
                  Re: Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

                  Interesting day with the minors. The metals flat. Stocks down, Mining shares up. That doesnt sound like deflation to me.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

                    Sold my TLT call options today for a 16% profit. Helps dull the massive pain from SRS, QID and FXP a little. Damn you leveraged ETFs!! Expensive tuition.

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                    • #11
                      Re: Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

                      Originally posted by ViC78 View Post
                      Sold my TLT call options today for a 16% profit. Helps dull the massive pain from SRS, QID and FXP a little. Damn you leveraged ETFs!! Expensive tuition.
                      you been shorting treasuries? yikes! :eek:

                      i'm with goadam1... pimpco is the inverse indicator i've waited for...
                      "as gm goes, so goes the nation": bill gross - Page 2 - iTulip.com

                      I don't like Bill Gross. IMHO he's a self-serving asshole if there ever was one, ... talking points & has a record of selling fed policy.. . eg. ...
                      http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...p?t=10151&page... - Cached - Similar -

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                      • #12
                        Re: Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

                        Originally posted by metalman View Post
                        you been shorting treasuries? yikes! :eek:
                        .
                        No, I was long TLT via calls when EJ recommended the trade and I cashed the chips in today. I am going to abstain from shorting completely and just look to adding to my Gold holdings which is woefully short of 30% as I discovered iTulip very late in the game.

                        At this point, I have given up all the gains made last year by shorting the market to this insane rally from hell.

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                        • #13
                          Re: Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

                          Originally posted by ViC78 View Post
                          No, I was long TLT via calls when EJ recommended the trade and I cashed the chips in today. I am going to abstain from shorting completely and just look to adding to my Gold holdings which is woefully short of 30% as I discovered iTulip very late in the game.

                          At this point, I have given up all the gains made last year by shorting the market to this insane rally from hell.
                          did you short the first bounce after ej said it was over in june?

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                          • #14
                            Re: Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

                            Originally posted by metalman View Post
                            did you short the first bounce after ej said it was over in june?
                            Yes, I did. However, chose the wrong vehicles to do so. SRS had treated me well in the past. Fortunately, only risked the gains that I had made the last year.
                            Fighting the Fed had proven profitable last year, but it appears that "they" have learnt their lesson, so have I now .

                            BTW - Appreciate your posts a lot. It has been very educational.

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                            • #15
                              Re: Pimco’s Gross Buys Treasuries Amid Deflation Concern

                              Originally posted by ViC78 View Post
                              Yes, I did. However, chose the wrong vehicles to do so. SRS had treated me well in the past. Fortunately, only risked the gains that I had made the last year.
                              Fighting the Fed had proven profitable last year, but it appears that "they" have learnt their lesson, so have I now .

                              BTW - Appreciate your posts a lot. It has been very educational.
                              Have you sold your SRS at a loss . . . or are you holding out for a possible turn-around?

                              I'm holding mine, as I watch it fall farther. I'm down in the amount of all the profits of this year and last year :eek:
                              raja
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