Leap2020 open letter to London G20 Summit: Last chance before global geopolitical dislocation

[Guest]

Re: Leap2020 open letter to London G20 Summit: Last chance before global geopolitical dislocation

Agreed JK - except for this last year, when their conclusions (maybe by chance?) have been fairly close to spot on. I suppose we could say every stopped clock is right twice a day, but as far as I can tell, they did get 80%+ of their entire forecast for 2008 right. I will note I've never subscribed to them and based on what I'd read of theirs was not ever inclined to. As for the drama - fair point to make. They need to dial that part way down. Apparently these guys get "several million" hits a month on their website? That's some PR machine.

i subscribed to leap2020 for a year, thinking that a eurocentric view might provide some added perspective. i didn't renew. their predictions were always overdramatized and, more to the point, wrong except on the broadest and most generous possible interpretations.

[D-Mack]

Re: Leap2020 open letter to London G20 Summit: Last chance before global geopolitical dislocation

D-Mack -

Nifty. Can you provide the link? I want to send this to a friend in London.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3UgpfSp2t6k

You can double click on any youtube video and it takes you to youtube. Or you click on the lower right hand side of the the video on the triangle button and on the next button that appears and you'll see the embed code and url.

yeh, published in the ft. right.

itulip... briefly... resold this crud. glad they dropped it.

here's your leap2020 think tank...

I think he said it was an ad in the ft, at least I think that's what he said.

I'm not sure, because I skipped through the broadcast, but I think he speculated that the Fed was already buyng secretly T-bills from 2006 on

[cobben]

G20 'make or break', Soros says

Soros agrees with the leap2020 folks.


Honestly I'm not quite sure what to make of the leap202 organization, and Biancheri has some kind of further ambitions as he is leader of "the first"(?) pan-european political party newropeans, which I'd never heard of.

But they do do a certain amount of "France bashing", despite having an obviously and probably unconcious French-cultural-heritage slanted view of the world.

The French, like the Lithuanians I've heard, have never really recovered from their loss of empire, each Frenchman still feeling personal affront that the French language never became a world language to rival English, etc. Sweden seems to have gotten over that long ago.


G20 'make or break', Soros says

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7970199.stm

[D-Mack]

Re: G20 'make or break', Soros says

Soros agrees with the leap2020 folks.


Honestly I'm not quite sure what to make of the leap202 organization, and Biancheri has some kind of further ambitions as he is leader of "the first"(?) pan-european political party newropeans, which I'd never heard of.

But they do do a certain amount of "France bashing", despite having an obviously and probably unconcious French-cultural-heritage slanted view of the world.

The French, like the Lithuanians I've heard, have never really recovered from their loss of empire, each Frenchman still feeling personal affront that the French language never became a world language to rival English, etc. Sweden seems to have gotten over that long ago.


G20 'make or break', Soros says

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/7970199.stm

I don't know how much independence is left in France, but I was glad when they rejected Georgia as a NATO member with Germany.

It looks like NATO is back

Obama hails France's return to NATO command

AFP - US President Barack Obama on Saturday said he "enthusiastically" welcomed France back into NATO's military command, which Paris left 43 years ago.

"I enthusiastically welcome the decision made by French President Nicolas Sarkozy to fully reintegrate France into the NATO Alliance," Obama said in a statement.

Obama added that "Sarkozy's leadership has been essential and is much appreciated. France is a founding member of NATO and has been a strong contributor to NATO missions throughout the Alliance's history.

So "France's full participation in the NATO military command structure will further contribute to a stronger Alliance and a stronger Europe," Obama added.

...

Operation Sarkozy : how the CIA placed one of its agents at the presidency of the French Republic

...

In 1958, worried about a possible victory of the FLN in Algeria which could open the way to Soviet influence in Northern Africa, the United States decided to provoke a military coup d’Etat in France. The operation was jointly organized by the Cia’s Direction of Planning – theoretically lead by Frank Wisner, Sr. – and by NATO. But Wisner had already become senile by that time and it was his successor, Allan Dulles, who supervised the coup. Out of Algeria, French generals organized a Public Salvation Committee which pressured the Parisian civilian authorities to vote full powers to General de Gaulle without having had to use force.

Yet, Charles de Gaulle was not the pawn the Anglo-Saxons had believed they could manipulate. In a first phase, he attempted to deal with the colonial contradiction by granting to the overseas territories a large autonomy within the French Union. But it was already too late to save the French empire; the colonized people didn’t believe any longer in the promises of the Metropolitan France and demanded their independence. After victorious but fierce repression against those fighting for independence, de Gaulle decided to face reality, and in a rare show of political wisdom, he granted independence to each colony.

This turn about was perceived by most of those who brought him to power as a betrayal. The CIA and NATO supported then all kinds of plots to eliminate him, among which a missed coup and some 40 attempts to murder him. However, certain of his followers approved of his political evolution. Around Charles Pasqua, they created the SAC (Civic action services), a militia to protect him.

...

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.p...t=va&aid=10060

And Soros, I don't know what he is up to..

Mr Soros urged wealthy nations to give their allocations of the IMF's internal currency, called Special Drawing Rights, to poorer ones because developing countries were not in a position to bail out their own failing banks.

Is this really a problem?

[World Traveler]

Re: Leap2020 open letter to London G20 Summit: Last chance before global geopolitical dislocation

Simon Johnson, the respected MIT professor from Baseline Scenario and author of the recent Atlantic Monthly article posted on iTulip, is also doubtful the G20 will produce much in the way of results:

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We know already much of what the G20 will produce: a communique that looks very much like the last one (dubious reassurances about the great progress being made along vague dimensions), no progress on fiscal stimulus (as we have been projecting for some time), and promises to clamp down on regulation for hedge funds and the like (fine, but how relevant is this to either what caused the crisis or what can sustain a recovery?)
Almost all the important issues are kept off the table by anachronistic diplomatic niceties: monetary policy around the world, Europe’s impending crisis, and how to escape the overweening power of major banks in almost all industrial countries. The G20 summit has substantially failed even before it begins."

http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/...worth-holding/

[GRG55]

Re: Leap2020 open letter to London G20 Summit: Last chance before global geopolitical dislocation

Simon Johnson, the respected MIT professor from Baseline Scenario and author of the recent Atlantic Monthly article posted on iTulip, is also doubtful the G20 will produce much in the way of results:

"
We know already much of what the G20 will produce: a communique that looks very much like the last one (dubious reassurances about the great progress being made along vague dimensions), no progress on fiscal stimulus (as we have been projecting for some time), and promises to clamp down on regulation for hedge funds and the like (fine, but how relevant is this to either what caused the crisis or what can sustain a recovery?)
Almost all the important issues are kept off the table by anachronistic diplomatic niceties: monetary policy around the world, Europe’s impending crisis, and how to escape the overweening power of major banks in almost all industrial countries. The G20 summit has substantially failed even before it begins."

http://baselinescenario.com/2009/03/...worth-holding/

I can't quite figure out why Soros and a few others like him are placing so much emphasis on the outcome of the G20. As we all know, these sorts of political confabs rarely produce anything of substance beyond the photo-ops. I see the BBC is playing it up in their ads urging viewers to tune into the Beeb's coverage; not surprising I suppose since it is on their home turf.

There's even some over the top stuff billing this as "a new Bretton Woods in the battle against financial turmoil".

Then there's this take on Reuters...

G20 "Grand Bargain" looks distant prospect

LONDON (Reuters) - He promised a grand bargain but British Prime Minister Gordon Brown's hopes of an overarching deal to pull the world out of recession look doomed even before the G20 crisis summit has started.

The stakes could not be higher when the world's most powerful leaders meet in London next week. Millions of jobs have already disappeared and millions more could go as the global economy faces its biggest downturn since the Great Depression...

...But preparatory meetings for the summit have revealed deep divisions over the essentials needed to stop the rot and fix a financial system that has been in disrepair since August 2007 because of the weight of banks' toxic assets.

Gone now is the ambitious talk of the summit being a new Bretton Woods -- the 1944 conference that shaped the modern financial world. Officials talk instead of making incremental progress on a new supervisory regime to prevent future crises.

Continental Europeans, meanwhile, have summarily rejected Brown's and President Barack Obama's call for governments to spend more. German finance minister Peer Steinbrueck said on Friday that fiscal irresponsibility could hurt the euro.

The Americans in turn have sounded less enthusiastic than Europe about aggressive new regulatory regimes...

[cobben]

Re: Leap2020 open letter to London G20 Summit: Last chance before global geopolitical dislocation

"I can't quite figure out why Soros and a few others like him are placing so much emphasis on the outcome of the G20."

To steal a phrase from Armstrong, "it's just time".

I.e., it's not this meeting in itself that is so important, it's that the world's politicos have procrastinated & not done anything yet, and they are now out of time before things start really disintegrating.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Leap2020 open letter to London G20 Summit: Last chance before global geopolitical dislocation

I can't quite figure out why Soros and a few others like him are placing so much emphasis on the outcome of the G20.

Even though the real work is done behind the scenes, still the show gives indications of direction.

They (George Soros, Goldman Sachs and the Banksters) are driving us to a world currency. Having entangled east and west, north and south, in massive interdependent trades and debt using the dollar, now they are whipsawing us back and forth toward this goal. They remain confident that it doesn't matter what world government there is if any, so long as there is a world currency, and they control that.

World events like the G20 meeting are part of the stage craft to construct this new order in the sheeple's minds.

[billstew]

Re: Leap2020 open letter to London G20 Summit: Last chance before global geopolitical dislocation

I had a Korean friend who had traveled the world on business. He reckoned the only place he couldn't understand English was London.

Do you mean

• Ontario?
• Queensland?
• Thames Estuary?

Note: This is not the default for London on Wikipedia

• http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_(disambiguation)