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  • Default Watch: Greece

    http://www.spiegel.de/international/...665679,00.html

    12/08/2009

    Timebomb for the Euro
    Greek Debt Poses a Danger to Common Currency

    By Wolfgang Reuter

    Josef Ackermann, the CEO of Deutsche Bank, has given the all-clear signal many times in the past. He has repeatedly said that the worst was over, only to see the financial crisis strengthen its grip on the world economy.

    Last week, however, Ackermann was singing a completely different tune. Although many indicators are once again pointing skyward, he said at a Berlin summit on the economy, Chancellor Angela Merkel, the assembled cabinet ministers, corporate CEOs and union leaders should not to be deluded. He warned emphatically that the financial situation could deteriorate once again. "A few time bombs" are still ticking, Ackermann told his audience, noting that the growing problems of highly leveraged small countries could lead to new tremors. And then, almost casually, Ackermann mentioned the problem child of the European financial world by name: Greece.

    Ackermann isn't alone in his opinion. Practically unnoticed by the public, an issue has returned to the forefront in recent weeks -- one that was a cause for great concern at the height of the financial crisis but then, as optimism about the economy began to grow, was eventually forgotten: the fear of a national bankruptcy in the euro zone. And the question as to whether such a bankruptcy, should it come about, could destroy the common European currency.

    Greece was always at the very top of the list of countries at risk. But now the danger appears to be more acute than ever.

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    Re: Default Watch: Greece

    Don't worry. The Germans and French will bail out the Greeks. They can't have their political project fail because of some backwards island nation. Then they will punish them through the most democratic of forums - the European Council.

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    • #3
      Re: Default Watch: Greece

      It is not clear to me that the Germans will bail out Greece.

      Note that the EU doesn't have the same capability of printing money as the US does. A German and/or French bailout of Greece means effectively those nations assuming part of Greece's debt load.

      What possible benefit will this accrue to Germany?

      The scale of bailout would be quite large - and once this precedent is set then the rest of the PIIGS will fall.

      Much more likely we will see the long feared Euro and Euro-bond regionalization.

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      • #4
        Re: Default Watch: Greece

        There is no benefit in taking on the debt. That's why I said that Greece would later be punished through "democratic" channels.

        Beside, the Greek rescue would only be a face saver for the Euro and the European project. Any sign that the EU superstate is cracking at the seams must be suppressed.

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        • #5
          Greece uses "The Phrase of Doom"

          In response to questions about how the Fitch cuts could affect Greek banks' ability to borrow from the European Central Bank, Mr. Papaconstantinou described the banking sector as "fundamentally sound."

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          • #6
            Re: Default Watch: Greece

            The latest buzz word is PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Spain). Oh, funny money media people.

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            • #7
              Re: Default Watch: Greece

              Originally posted by goadam1 View Post
              The latest buzz word is PIGS (Portugal, Ireland, Greece, Spain). Oh, funny money media people.
              I think PIGS initially refered to Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain, correct me if I al wrong but I think the term now is PIIGS to include the basket case Ireland is now or rather always has been, just hidden, till the housing ponzi scheme revealed what an inept / ept (not sure)? bunch of criminals the Irish banks and politicians are, croynism writ large, and cheered on by all while they thought they were getting some.
              "that each simple substance has relations which express all the others"

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              • #8
                Re: Default Watch: Greece

                Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                Note that the EU doesn't have the same capability of printing money as the US does.
                Yes they do. Germany simply doesn't let the ECB use the printer. They can handle the strong euro, while the others "fall".

                Where do they fall? Into the hands of Germany, it is pretty obvious that they are calling the shots and they become Eurozone's masters.
                Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                What possible benefit will this accrue to Germany?
                It is always nice to have some colonies of your own, since countries like are now totally dependent on Germany's policies through the common currency

                Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                A German and/or French bailout of Greece means effectively those nations assuming part of Greece's debt load.
                They will, up to a point, because Germany doesn't want problems with the euro. But it is obvious that after a certain point, they will stop

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