Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty

[Rajiv]

Re: Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty

Of course they were charged with conspiracy to riot in furtherance of terrorism.

Watch this clip about FEMA from 2001:

Of course using the same argument as this video can be expanded a bit further

If they killed 10,000 civilians, it is too bad for them!

Then the US armed forces are the biggest terrorist organization around!

[LargoWinch]

Re: Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty

Oh Mary Poppins where are thou?

[LargoWinch]

Re: Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty

[reggie]

Re: Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty

Why trust Naomi at all? How can you be so sure that she is not another propaganda instrument? What level of expertise do people here have in the use of propaganda? Can you be certain you understand her agenda, and the agenda of her financiers?

[LargoWinch]

Re: Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty

Why trust Naomi at all? How can you be so sure that she is not another propaganda instrument? What level of expertise do people here have in the use of propaganda? Can you be certain you understand her agenda, and the agenda of her financiers?

Does she sounds like a propaganda instrument to you? Her agenda is pretty clear to me and so is the one of the financiers; it is also very clear to me that they are not the same.

[reggie]

Re: Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty

Does she sounds like a propaganda instrument to you? Her agenda is pretty clear to me and so is the one of the financiers; it is also very clear to me that they are not the same.

Yes, she consistently engenders fear, which is a primary propaganda instrument, creating what is called a hijack condition in her listeners Amygdala, changing the way one processes cognition.

[reggie]

Re: Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty

real Soft Power is based on owning the "Narratives", not just the pro-system narratives, but the anti-systems/anti-establishment narratives as well. That's what we see here, and it is important because the narratives must be designed to apply the appropriate Positive/Negative feedback into the Cybernetic ally designed system (in order to achieve the desired results).

Naomi is presenting the "End of America" & "Be Afraid" narratives. This not only generates fear, as I sugest above, but creates what's called Precessiion of Simulacra, which is a technique employed to ready a target audience for a given end.

[LargoWinch]

Re: Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty

Yes, she consistently engenders fear, which is a primary propaganda instrument, creating what is called a hijack condition in her listeners Amygdala, changing the way one processes cognition.

You are incorrect; Wolf does engenders fear, but fear of Government. The same cannot be same of the Government itself.

[reggie]

Re: Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty

You are incorrect; Wolf does engenders fear, but fear of Government. The same cannot be same of the Government itself.

And what does that create?

[LargoWinch]

Re: Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty

And what does that create?

...a desire for a smaller Government.

Instead of asking questions, perhaps you can elaborate your point? i.e. how is N. Wolf agenda is aligned with Guvernment?

[FrankL]

Re: Interview - Naomi Wolf - Give Me Liberty

...a desire for a smaller Government.

Instead of asking questions, perhaps you can elaborate your point? i.e. how is N. Wolf agenda is aligned with Guvernment?

I'm not familiar with Naomi Wolf's idea on smaller government / libertarianism; in my opinion, the general danger with promoting libertarianism as alternative of a broken government (deregulation/non-function of regulation of the free markets, buying of political interests by lobbies) is that replacing it with no regulation at all achieves exactly what the special interests behind the current broken government want. I'm not saying that Naomi Wolf want this specifically, but more 'sane' versions of libertarianism are very easy to hijack to achieve this.

I have more hope for the USA if OWS sticks to removing the influence of money in congress as sole demand, and removing the current 'bought for' congressmen and women.

[reggie]

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You are incorrect; Wolf does engenders fear, but fear of Government. The same cannot be same of the Government itself.

...a desire for a smaller Government.

Instead of asking questions, perhaps you can elaborate your point? i.e. how is N. Wolf agenda is aligned with Guvernment?

Fear of Gov't creates a compliant population, especially when that population has been institutionalised with authoritarian personalities.

A brief review of Naomi's bio shows that she grew up in one of the most affluent suburbs in the USA, attended an elite public school, attended Oxford under a Rhodes scholarship, and married a Clinton staff member. This is not the making of a grassroots "leader" who has the interests of the common man.

I'm not familiar with Naomi Wolf's idea on smaller government / libertarianism; in my opinion, the general danger with promoting libertarianism as alternative of a broken government (deregulation/non-function of regulation of the free markets, buying of political interests by lobbies) is that replacing it with no regulation at all achieves exactly what the special interests behind the current broken government want. I'm not saying that Naomi Wolf want this specifically, but more 'sane' versions of libertarianism are very easy to hijack to achieve this.

I have more hope for the USA if OWS sticks to removing the influence of money in congress as sole demand, and removing the current 'bought for' congressmen and women.

But OWS is not sticking to sane demands. They lack focus and appear to seek total political system change, which I believe is likely to create the same ends that Naomi's narrative will.

[LargoWinch]

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Fear of Gov't creates a compliant population, especially when that population has been institutionalised with authoritarian personalities.

The argument you are trying to make is lost on me. Please explain yourself.

A brief review of Naomi's bio shows that she grew up in one of the most affluent suburbs in the USA, attended an elite public school, attended Oxford under a Rhodes scholarship, and married a Clinton staff member. This is not the making of a grassroots "leader" who has the interests of the common man.

Says who? What does her background has to do with what she stands for?

But OWS is not sticking to sane demands. They lack focus and appear to seek total political system change, which I believe is likely to create the same ends that Naomi's narrative will.

This is erroneous and is a repeat of MSM's propaganda. OWS may lack focus, but we know exactly what they stand for.

[reggie]

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The argument you are trying to make is lost on me. Please explain yourself.

May I suggest a little research into the Authoritarian Personality and it's integration into USA's public school system as well as other institutions. An appropriate reference escapes me right now, but you could always refer to some Bertrand Russell for a little enlightenment:

"Education should aim at destroying free will, so that, after pupils have left school, they shall be incapable, throughout the rest of their lives, of thinking or acting otherwise than as their schoolmasters would have wished. . . . Diet, injections, and injunctions will combine, from a very early age, to produce the sort of character and the sort of beliefs that the authorities consider desirable, and any serious criticism of the powers that be will become psychologically impossible."

Russell, B. (1953). The Impact of Science on Society (1st Printing ed.). New York: Simon & Schuster, Inc.., 1953, p. 50

The Macy Conferences of the 40's & 50's also provide insight into determining the attributes of an Authoritarian Personality and how to engender such.... I believe they called it the F-type Personality.

The bottom line is that when one employs this particular type of propaganda technique on a public with such a personality, the public becomes meek and fearful of aggressor, which in this case is the gov't.

Naomi is using tried and true technique here based on years of science. This is not something grassroots activists railing against the system typically have access to.

Says who? What does her background has to do with what she stands for?

Her background and her personal and family ties has everything to do with her agenda. From your posts I'm going to assume that you've never worked high-up in the nonprofit industry. May I suggest the following book which will shed some light on the nonprofit industry.

Foundations: Their Power and Influence
Rene A. Wormser
http://www.amazon.com/Foundations-Th.../dp/0925591289

This is erroneous and is a repeat of MSM's propaganda. OWS may lack focus, but we know exactly what they stand for.

What do they stand for? Please tell me. When I walk past their protests I sees dozens and dozens of complaints and wish lists, including "Dogs are People Too". So, if you can sum up their agenda, please outline it for us here.

[LargoWinch]

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Reggie, so your argument - if I understand correctly - is that Naomi Wolf is not genuine because of her background. She is a government propaganda tool. I believe you need to provide facts and evidence to support your case in details.

Also, to answer your question: the OWS movement stands against "The abuses of Government and Corporations over the majority". No need to repeat MSM lies and pretend they are only a bunch of lunatic.