Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

[marvenger]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

not allowing manipulation of free market is capitalism ideology. You're arguing for regulation and hence supporting my point.

IMO opinion its the financial system that has screwed capitalism, it isn't a free market system and has the power and hence ends up robbing the capitalists and workers alike.

[mikedev10]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

that guy posts all of schiff's videos. i imagine he has been following schiff a long time and positioned himself to handle the mess that was coming.

[tombat1913]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

tombat, I don't have one example on him or any other elected official. My cynical opinion is that once people get into positions of power, that power corrupts--purely opinion. From time to time, some do get caught and if one believes in the judicial system, then convictions suggests there are crooked politicians.

I fail to see where swearing an oath to anything makes one honest or insures compliance, and I think it is naive to believe that placing one's hand on any book deemed holy and reciting words insures that subsequent actions are consistent with that oath, whatever the oath.

It's a poor argument, but if McCain says Paul is most honest, it to me implies something less that "honest" and you and anyone can debate what that means. The only way I could know whether Paul is honest would be to ask him, and if he replied in the affirmative, then the burden would be mine to accept or reject his answer. Voting is one thing, what goes on between lobbyists, campaign contributors, and elected officials is another.

Basically politicians are interested in two things: their own welfare and getting re-elected, and I think in that order. Personally were I into politics either Kucinich or Paul had the most appeal, but I guess how they fared in the races indicates the average American's interest in the possibility of serious change in how the country operates.

Fair enough Jim.

As you're not into politics I'll keep it mighty short. Ron Paul earned the name Dr. No among his colleages in congress because first he is a doctor and second because he never votes yes on anything unconstitutional, period. You're right, hand on bible means nothing, his actions speak for themselves. The lobbyists don't even bother entering his office anymore. Not because he won't accept their money, but because they're tired of getting zero return on investment. He's not a career politician, he's just been there a long time and has a sincere concern for our nation. I agree that you can almost assuredly expect corruption from a politician, which is exactly why the exception to the rule deserves acknowledgement and respect.

Just my take on the matter.

[tombat1913]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

not allowing manipulation of free market is capitalism ideology. You're arguing for regulation and hence supporting my point.

IMO opinion its the financial system that has screwed capitalism, it isn't a free market system and has the power and hence ends up robbing the capitalists and workers alike.

No sir, I'm arguing for regulation of our elected representatives, not the economy. Yes, liberty is an ideology but if nobody knows what that ideology entails then how can we ever hope to achieve it?

[Finster]

Re: Ron Paul on Glenn Beck - Sept. 18, 2008

Fair enough Jim.

As you're not into politics I'll keep it mighty short. Ron Paul earned the name Dr. No among his colleages in congress because first he is a doctor and second because he never votes yes on anything unconstitutional, period. You're right, hand on bible means nothing, his actions speak for themselves. The lobbyists don't even bother entering his office anymore. Not because he won't accept their money, but because they're tired of getting zero return on investment. He's not a career politician, he's just been there a long time and has a sincere concern for our nation. I agree that you can almost assuredly expect corruption from a politician, which is exactly why the exception to the rule deserves acknowledgement and respect.

Just my take on the matter.

Mine too. Paul is unique. It's been apparent at least since he was the LP presidential nominee 20 years ago. The fact that we have even just one guy like Paul in Congress gives me hope there might be a brighter American future out there somewhere. That there are a few others (e.g. Jim Bunning) gravitating in that direction sure doesn't hurt.