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  • Conceptual Spiral Presentation by John Boyd (OODA Loop)

    Consider the following 3-Domains:

    1. Kurt Godel, mathematician (1931) - "incompleteness theorem"
    2nd Theorem: using the arithmetic of whole numbers, he proved that one cannot demonstrate the consistency of such a system within itself, in other words, it is undecideable.
    Hence, one can't use a systems own workings to determine if it is consistent or not. Even if the system is consistent, one must reach outside the system to prove it.

    2. Heisenberg Principle (1927)
    One cannot simultaneously determine position and moment of a particle. Because the phemomena of observation is no different than the phenomena observed (ie its a system examing itself). One can not determine the character and nature of a system from within itself.

    3. 2nd Law of Thermodynamics: All observed natural processes generate Entropy (ie disorder).

    Imagine a closed system, where we have the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics is operating, and we want to observe what is going on inside the system. Anything task we perform inside the system will increase the system's Entropy, therefore, we will have less information about the system at the end of the observation that at the beginning of the observation. This is true because the observer is part of the close system, and therefore this concept is in alignment with Godels theorem and Heisenberg's principle.


    Combining all of the above, one can say that one can not determine the character and nature of a system from within itself. Moreover, attempting to do so will only lead to greater confusion and disorder.

    Hence, I can attack my adversaries by folding these adversaries back inside themselves so they can't consult their external environment, driving the adversary into confusion and disorder, bringing about paralysis. To properly affect this, the attacker must act against the attacked at a tempo that is faster than the attacked can respond to the attacker.

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    Last edited by reggie; January 16, 2012, 11:15 PM.
    The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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    Re: Conceptual Spiral Presentation by John Boyd (OODA Loop)

    A brilliant talk.

    parts 2&3 are from the wrong talk.
    Last edited by *T*; December 05, 2011, 09:23 AM.
    It's Economics vs Thermodynamics. Thermodynamics wins.

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      Re: Conceptual Spiral Presentation by John Boyd (OODA Loop)

      Originally posted by *T* View Post
      A brilliant talk.

      parts 2&3 are from the wrong talk.
      Sorry about that, I'll fix & PM you.

      In the bigger picture, I hope you can see how these techniques can be used on society.

      PS. I just noticed that this thread has been given only 1-star rating. How ridiculous, for Boyd's work is probably more relevant to our current plight than any other discussion had on these forums. Rating it as 1-star really illuminates the kind of thinking taking place here.
      Last edited by reggie; January 02, 2012, 04:46 PM.
      The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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        Re: Conceptual Spiral Presentation by John Boyd (OODA Loop)

        Originally posted by *T* View Post
        A brilliant talk.

        parts 2&3 are from the wrong talk.
        Should be fixed now. Sorry it took so long, I haven't had time to stop by here.
        The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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