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  • Joseph Stiglitz: Freefall - at the Commonwealth Club

    Via Zero Hedge

    Love him or hate him (and based on some recent appearances, notably side by side Hugh Hendry, he hasn't left much room for amorous intentions), Joe Stiglitz once again takes center stage, this time in this appearance at the Commenwealth Club, in which he discusses various things (among which are his grading of Obama, which compared to Dubya' administration, he gives an A+, and since this is roughly in line with where the rating agencies rate the US, it should raise all sorts of red flags). One of the key topics of discussion is his claim that efficient markets are a myth, and that Adam Smith's "invisible hand" appears as such because it was never truly there. Joe's bashing of economists with their hollow goal-seeked theories is one thing we can certainly agree with, and as to the market being propped by visible hands and other means, well, that is beyond the scope of this post (unless Chairman Shalom decides to grace the comment stream with his presence).
    "The theories that said that markets work perfectly were all based on very simplistic models of perfect competition and perfect information. My own work we show that the reason that when there is asymmetric information, the reason that the invisible hand often seemed invisible, was that it wasn't there. And I don't think today anybody would claim that the pursuit of self-interest by bankers, which is sometimes called greed [don't tell the screenplay writer for Wall Street] has led to the well-being of all of society. And yet this was the central notion taught in almost every graduate school in the country."
    So there you have it - generations of economists brought up on flawed concepts, eagerly and blindly perpetuating the flaws with each new generation (and charging $50k a year in the process). Yet the notable issue here is, assuming one agrees with Stiglitz, that markets are imperfect, and benefit banks, precisely because banks, due to their unprecedented size and trading monopoly, now have unparalleled asymmetric information access, thereby cementing their position as the most lucrative establishments in the history of capitalism, which coupled with a government's unwillingness to touch these firms for fear of an imaginary Nuclear Holocaust, will likely persist as such until the onset of the real WWIII.

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    Re: Joseph Stiglitz: Freefall - at the Commonwealth Club

    I strongly disagree with Stiglitz and its support of any government stimulus.

    I stopped watching the video midway through.

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    • #3
      Re: Joseph Stiglitz: Freefall - at the Commonwealth Club

      I'm beginning to think that if someone from the Nobel Foundation ever phones me up to say that I won, I should treat the call as I do cold calls to sell me insurance, and hang up.
      Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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        Re: Joseph Stiglitz: Freefall - at the Commonwealth Club

        In a world where a socialist idealogue like John Maynard Keynes is not only mistaken for being a bona fide economist, but is hailed as the father of modern economic theory, it should come as no surprise that retards like Stiglitz and Krugman are nobel laureats. Like Keynes, they are masters of using economic jargon to legitimize their socialist political agendas, and like Keynes I don't doubt that they believe their own BS.

        So everybody stop worrying so much about the economy, already! These guys have it all under control. We're going to borrow our way out of debt so that we can spend our way out of recession. Go back to watching American Idol and let the Nobel Laureats worry about the economy. Better yet, go out and buy a brand new 80" flat-screen TV you can't afford, pay for it by signing a credit contract you didn't bother to read, then go home and watch American Idol on your new TV and know that you're doing your part for your country by doing so. This logic really works, just ask the President...

        xPat

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          Re: Joseph Stiglitz: Freefall - at the Commonwealth Club

          Originally posted by xPat View Post
          In a world where a socialist idealogue like John Maynard Keynes is not only mistaken for being a bona fide economist, but is hailed as the father of modern economic theory, it should come as no surprise that retards like Stiglitz and Krugman are nobel laureats. Like Keynes, they are masters of using economic jargon to legitimize their socialist political agendas, and like Keynes I don't doubt that they believe their own BS.

          So everybody stop worrying so much about the economy, already! These guys have it all under control. We're going to borrow our way out of debt so that we can spend our way out of recession. Go back to watching American Idol and let the Nobel Laureats worry about the economy. Better yet, go out and buy a brand new 80" flat-screen TV you can't afford, pay for it by signing a credit contract you didn't bother to read, then go home and watch American Idol on your new TV and know that you're doing your part for your country by doing so. This logic really works, just ask the President...
          The problem is, after decades of this brainwashing the society just cannot function without gov't intervention. If we try to return to some degree of the market-based financial system, it will create too much pain. Most people (including Nobel laureates) forgot what it looks like.

          OTOH, this is what is going to happen to a degree, because US is not strong enough financially to dominate the currency market. Its main adversaries (China and Russia) and not that adversarial any more, but they are not so obedient as Japan and Germany in the 70s. IMHO, US will not be able to repeat the Plaza accord 100%. Environment for the forex negotiations between CBs, paradoxically, will be the only "free market" environment. It is one of the reasons, US will not be able to inflate its way out of crisis at will.
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            Re: Joseph Stiglitz: Freefall - at the Commonwealth Club

            Originally posted by medved View Post
            It is one of the reasons, US will not be able to inflate its way out of crisis at will.
            Good point.
            Most folks are good; a few aren't.

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