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    This interview was part of Goldsmith’s efforts to warn Americans about the consequences of adopting the General Agreement on Trade and Tariff (GATT) and the creation of the World Trade Organization, which would implement a global plan to devalue labor and industrialize agriculture.

    For those who doubt the intentionality of a centralized effort to control global capital and resources, resulting in unemployment on a massive scale, this is strongly recommended.

    About Sir James Goldsmith:

    When Sir James Goldsmith died in 1997, one of the more prominent obituaries of him appeared in the conservative National Review. On the other hand, a right-winger wrote a negative blast of Goldsmith's book "The Trap" on Amazon. That he could be hated and loved by conservatives -- and embraced by progressives -- is a testament to the breadth and brilliance of this man.

    Goldsmith went from high-school dropout to multi-billionaire in about 20 years. One of the richest men in the world at the time "The Trap" was written, he unabashedly bit the hand of international capitalism that played a large role in feeding him. The book opens, for example, with this observation:

    "We have convinced ourselves that there exists only one valid economic and social model: our own. By attempting to impose it universally, we have exported to almost every corner of the world our diseases: crime, drugs, alcoholism, family breakdown, civil disorder in urban slums, accelerated abuse of the environment and all the other problems that we experience daily."

    Perhaps the most important statement in the entire book follows two paragraphs later (which so impressed me that I used it as a chapter epigraph in my book "Unequal Protection"):

    "The economy is a tool to serve us. It is not a demi-god to be served by society."

    From there, in this short and simple book, written in Q &A format (questions by Yves Messarovitch), Goldsmith explores how we were hyped and oversold on the idea of "free trade," then challenges the oh-so-hip idea that nation-states are obsolete, takes on the welfare state and educational systems, and blows holes in the myths of "clean" and "safe" nuclear power.

    Perhaps the most vital and thought-provoking chapters of the book, however, are titled "Modern Agriculture and the Destruction of Society" and "Why?" That over a decade ago (this book was composed in 1992) one of the world's richest men would be talking like the gorilla Ishmael in Daniel Quinn's novel of the same title is both fascinating and thought-provoking. That he would be entirely serious -- and willing to fund a political movement based in part on it -- is sobering.

    Goldsmith notes, in his final chapter:

    "Those of us who believe in free enterprise must understand that although in many nations and in many ways our beliefs remain eminently valid, on their own they are not sufficient. They must be integrated into the overriding imperatives of the biosphere as well as of human societies. Market forces must be harnessed to the needs of stable communities. Otherwise, like Marxists, we will be rejected as mechanistic relics of the past."

    "The Trap" came into print in 1993, and went out of print, as far as I can tell, after Goldsmith died in 1997. Yet it's a brilliant read for reasons well beyond its historical significance as a glimpse into the Reagan/Bush/Clinton "conservative economics" era. Goldsmith was a deep thinker and a passionate lover of life and humanity. Although there are a few parts of his book with which I'd argue, or at least want to fine-tune, the overall arc of his logic is striking and consistent. It's neither conservative nor liberal, but deeply human. Or, perhaps best said, it transcends political labels -- which makes it all the more vital and important.
    The Trap can be read or downloaded here

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    Re: Charlie Rose and Sir James Goldsmith

    Rajiv,

    I posted this exact same video almost a month ago - and you even commented on it :confused:

    http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12519

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      Re: Charlie Rose and Sir James Goldsmith

      I watched them both and they were equally good. Great job guys!

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        Re: Charlie Rose and Sir James Goldsmith

        I was adding some more information on James Goldsmith and his monograph -"the Trap," and couldn't trace the thread - normally I can find the old threads, but couldn't this time! -- so my apologies.

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          Re: Charlie Rose and Sir James Goldsmith

          No worries, just curious! :p

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            Re: Charlie Rose and Sir James Goldsmith

            Brilliant guy. For Western nations and some others, its a race to the bottom. For less developed nations, its often good news. But most Americans, both sides of the aisle, fall into the same trap, "all trade is good and completely unrestrained free trade is even better". Its only when their job is outsourced do they wake up. Can't buy a cheap TV if you have no job. Cant enjoy it if you have to worry about some guy breaking in and stealing it at gunpoint or being taxed to death to pay for those with no jobs.

            I would love to see the lady economist be interviewed again so many years later to see how wrong she was. Typical economist. Choose an philosophy first, then cling to it despite the facts.

            From what I can tell, this issue is not even on the radar with most people. They have bought into the mantra that its all good for America. Its good for SOME Americans, but overall, this is a race to the bottom and will end in disaster for most. This is THE reason for the wealth inequality in America in a nutshell. Not the tax rates of the rich or the other bs reasons being thrown out there. Not one question during last night's presidential debate about this. Its not even on the radar, which is why I have zero hope for the USA.

            The current system has transferred massive wealth from Western workers to Big Business and to a much lesser degree workers from lesser developed nations. US politicians serve Global corporate interests, not the people. The amazing part is how well they have been able to sell it to both Democrats and Republicans. To the Democrats they play on the Liberal desire to help others. The Republicans, the play on the idea that if its free trade it must be good. Its brilliant politically speaking.
            Last edited by flintlock; January 20, 2012, 07:54 AM.

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            • #7
              Re: Charlie Rose and Sir James Goldsmith

              I looked up her wikipedia page... at the end it said this:

              "In addition to her professorship at UC Berkeley, Tyson is also a member of the Board of Trustees at UC Berkeley's Blum Center for Developing Economies.[6] The Center is focused on finding solutions to address the crisis of extreme poverty and disease in the developing world.[7]"

              I'm pretty sure she already found her solution for extreme poverty in the developing world. Send our jobs to them.

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              • #8
                Re: Charlie Rose and Sir James Goldsmith

                Somewhere I have the actual audio of Goldsmith's Senate 1995 testimony as an MP3 file. It was "lost" somehow, even though it was supposed to be part of the congressional record, but I was able to 'obtain' a copy. I'll have to look in my external digital archives to find it if anyone here is interested.

                Oh wait, I posted this stuff on Archive.org a long time ago ... you can find it at
                http://www.archive.org/details/SirJa...monyOnGatt1995
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                The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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                  Re: Charlie Rose and Sir James Goldsmith

                  Good find. I will download it and listen when I have some time.

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                    Re: Charlie Rose and Sir James Goldsmith

                    Keep in mind also Sir James Goldsmith came to his position in no small part due to Margaret Thatcher.

                    While there is no doubt he is a smart guy, at the same time it is always important to understand the context by which a person speaks from.

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                      Re: Charlie Rose and Sir James Goldsmith

                      Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                      Keep in mind also Sir James Goldsmith came to his position in no small part due to Margaret Thatcher.

                      While there is no doubt he is a smart guy, at the same time it is always important to understand the context by which a person speaks from.
                      So, do u think he had an agenda when he came to the USA to testify in the US Senate against GATT in 1995? If so, please give us your opinion on that agenda.
                      The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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                        Re: Charlie Rose and Sir James Goldsmith

                        Originally posted by reggie
                        So, do u think he had an agenda when he came to the USA to testify in the US Senate against GATT in 1995? If so, please give us your opinion on that agenda.
                        I would say that any man who built a career on corporate raiding, who was the bankster's bankster in the 60s and 70s, is very much urging others to "do what I say, not what I did".

                        Furthermore I am shocked that you aren't looking more at Goldsmith's background: he is a literal scion of Rothschild-type money - his Goldschmidt ancestors operated in the same circles.

                        As for specific agenda - as a noted Eurosceptic, it is unsurprising that he would testify against GATT.

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                          Re: Charlie Rose and Sir James Goldsmith

                          Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                          I would say that any man who built a career on corporate raiding, who was the bankster's bankster in the 60s and 70s, is very much urging others to "do what I say, not what I did".

                          Furthermore I am shocked that you aren't looking more at Goldsmith's background: he is a literal scion of Rothschild-type money - his Goldschmidt ancestors operated in the same circles.

                          As for specific agenda - as a noted Eurosceptic, it is unsurprising that he would testify against GATT.
                          I think Sir James Goldsmith was both extremely intelligent as well as ruthless. In his later days, when he had already 'made it', he realised what the ramifications of his conducts were to society (alternatively he just got soft at older age). The kind of testimonies and interviews he gave were, imo, a way of retribution for his past sins. Also note his endeavours (experiments) in creating an utopic self-sufficient society in Cuixmala Mexico, which (supposedly) failed miserably. Probably inspired by his brother Edward Goldsmith.

                          I definitely wouldn't go as far as calling these testimonies part of some 'greater plan' based on his background. Didn't GATT specifically benefit the owners of capital in being able to outsource labour to cheaper countries? In this light I'd expect him to vehemently applaud GATT.
                          engineer with little (or even no) economic insight

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                            Re: Charlie Rose and Sir James Goldsmith

                            Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                            I would say that any man who built a career on corporate raiding, who was the bankster's bankster in the 60s and 70s, is very much urging others to "do what I say, not what I did". Furthermore I am shocked that you aren't looking more at Goldsmith's background: he is a literal scion of Rothschild-type money - his Goldschmidt ancestors operated in the same circles. As for specific agenda - as a noted Eurosceptic, it is unsurprising that he would testify against GATT.
                            I asked the questions because I wanted to know what YOU thought. While I haven't concluded his motive, I think he possible was sent to serve as the lone opposition voice, a controllable voice.
                            The greatest obstacle to discovery is not ignorance - it is the illusion of knowledge ~D Boorstin

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