Max Keiser and Steve Keen and the implications of what was said

[Diarmuid]

Re: Max Keiser and Steve Keen and the implications of what was said

but rather a natural tendency for higher layers of organization to form from the atoms and cyclic behaviour of lower layers.

I think this view probably contravenes the second law of thermodynamics

"energy systems have a tendency to increase their entropy rather than decrease it."

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[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Max Keiser and Steve Keen and the implications of what was said

I think this view probably contravenes the second law of thermodynamics

Yup. I claim that this Law does not apply to Self Organizing Systems. Stuart Kauffman's "Reinventing the Sacred: A New View of Science, Reason and Religion" does a decent job of explaining this. For example, in perhaps the simplest example, certain chemical reactions are auto-catalytic or mutually catalyzing. Given a pool of diverse chemical substances obeying the Thermodynamics laws, occasionaly a compound will form that has the property that it increases the formation of similar such compounds if the right raw ingredients are near by. This same tendency for what began as transiently formed accidents to sometimes have the property of encouraging of causing more such of the same to form keeps layering itself, upward.