Ron Paul on The Daily Show tonight

[cjppjc]

Posted in Rumors because I haven't confirmed it. My Son called me up and told me.

I said "Do you know what he eats for breakfast"

He said "Liberty." I thought that was so funny. He's not even a big supporter. I think he voted for Obama.

[Slimprofits]

Re: Ron Paul on The Daily Show tonight

yes. He said a couple of things about inflation that might sink in with the general audience.

Stewart clearly loves him by the way.

[cjppjc]

Re: Ron Paul on The Daily Show tonight

yes. He said a couple of things about inflation that might sink in with the general audience.

Stewart clearly loves him by the way.

Agree. Stewart has a soft spot for him. Which is nice to see.

I've found that most people who keep an open mind about RP and do a little research clearly see his honesty and like that alot.

[Slimprofits]

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[we_are_toast]

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I admire Ron Paul for the strength of his convictions, but his idealistic, 19th Century Robber Barron, view of what our country should be, is so out of touch with reality that his policies would be a complete disaster for the country.

[jtabeb]

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I admire Ron Paul for the strength of his convictions, but his idealistic, 19th Century Robber Barron, view of what our country should be, is so out of touch with reality that his policies would be a complete disaster for the country.

Balance is key, but I would have to argue that the system we HAVE NOW, HAS PROVEN TO BE DISASTROUS for the country.

Can any sane person argue otherwise?

We have to change, and I think the most important part of Paul's message is that people need to have control over their own financial lives. The system now rewards malfeasance and irresponsibility. In Fact, the RESPONSIBLE are PUNISHED in our current financial system and the IRRESPONSIBLE are rewarded. You have to change that so that the opposite is true. Until this change occurs, we will continue our downward descent into chaos and collapse.

A trustworthy savings vehicle (precious metals) would be a huge leap forward in encouraging positive, responsible financial behavior with attending benefits for society. Liberty stems from responsibility, dependency stems from a lack of personal and governmental responsibility.

If you give people the incentive to be responsible, the will act that way. If you give people the incentive to act irresponsibly, they will.

It really boils down to the question of do we want a society that encourages/rewards responsible behavior, which has the by-product of preserving liberty. OR, do we want a society that encourages/rewards irresponsible behavior, which has the by-product of increasing social dependency and the necessary increase in the corporate/military/police state that is necessary to FORCIBLY control such an erratic social construct, which destroys all LIBERTY in the process of preserving the system?

If have often said that the root of all social evils stems from inflation and luckily for me, history has amply provided enough proof to confirm this fact. (Read the history of any inflationary period in ANY country's history to prove this fact to yourself, take your pick from examples in the US, Rome, Hungary, Zimbabwe, China, France, Russia, Yugoslavia, Germany, etc. etc. etc.)

I believe Paul is correct in that you have to address the ROOT cause of social ills in order to have ANY hope of correcting them. The ROOT CAUSE of ALL social ills is inflation itself. (PM me if you want the full thesis and justification, or just read the "history of monetary inflation in the French Republic"). With out Sound Money addressing the root cause of our social ills, everything else is just a temporary bandaid for a gushing arterial wound. (You may stop the bleeding, temporarily, but you still bleed to death in the end).

What YOU ABSOLUTELY MUST UNDERSTAND, is that we are covering our current arterial wounds with bandaids. It's taking more and more of them, at an increasing pace, costing us more and more money and putting the entire society and national sovereignty at risk, not to mention doing IMMENSE harm to the population at large. We EITHER address the root cause (Inflation, vis-a-vis the Fed) or we collapse completely. The ONLY answer, that is capable of doing that is a hard money currency at least for savings (you can still operate a fiat currency to debase at will and to deflate debts via inflation) but if people can not protect themselves during this process with a true safe-haven, risk free asset (only asset that is NOT someone else's contingent liability), then we WILL DESTROY our society completely in our efforts to save the financial system.

Something has to give. It will EITHER BE the CURRENCY or the REAL ECONOMY, but if we continue on our present path, it will likely result in the destruction of our CURRENCY, the REAL Production/consumption ECONOMY, and our SOCIETY.

That my friend, is the take-away from Dr. Paul's work.

[ricket]

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I admire Ron Paul for the strength of his convictions, but his idealistic, 19th Century Robber Barron, view of what our country should be, is so out of touch with reality that his policies would be a complete disaster for the country.

Are you implying that man has somehow evolved from the species that allows for free market economies to work successfully for the past few thousand years? If so, how come the imperialistic warmongers have not evolved and continue to steer this world ever closer to apocalyptic predictions?

Humankind has very basic instincts that determine how our society interacts. Given the prevalence of how little we have changed since the days of the warmongering Roman empire, I would argue that the same principals about economies, money, liberty, and freedom still apply.

[sn1p3r]

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While I agree with you in principle, toast, I take RP's ideas and convictions not as being pie in the sky but as education to the ignorant masses. Most people don't know that what he states is what is SUPPOSED to be. of course we aren't there and of course it will be hard to get back there but if most people don't know WHERE that is then you have to keep stating the goal until it sinks in. Have you given up on what this country SHOULD be?

[jimmygu3]

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Are you implying that man has somehow evolved from the species that allows for free market economies to work successfully for the past few thousand years? If so, how come the imperialistic warmongers have not evolved and continue to steer this world ever closer to apocalyptic predictions?

Humankind has very basic instincts that determine how our society interacts. Given the prevalence of how little we have changed since the days of the warmongering Roman empire, I would argue that the same principals about economies, money, liberty, and freedom still apply.

The Roman empire was great for the oligarchs, not so good for the slaves. That's not a good model, IMO.

-Jimmy

[we_are_toast]

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While I agree with you in principle, toast, I take RP's ideas and convictions not as being pie in the sky but as education to the ignorant masses. Most people don't know that what he states is what is SUPPOSED to be. of course we aren't there and of course it will be hard to get back there but if most people don't know WHERE that is then you have to keep stating the goal until it sinks in. Have you given up on what this country SHOULD be?

I'm not sure how we can determine what is "SUPPOSED" to be, or "should" be. I'm sure you'll find a rather large variance of opinion in that matter, with very little hard evidence to support any opinion. I do believe we can look at individual policy proposals and examine historically similar proposals, and look at real data, and come up with an educated guess as to how the policies would affect the country in the future. John Stewarts question regarding the similarity of Mr. Pauls proposals and those policies of the 19th century was very telling. Mr. Paul reluctantly acknowledged the similarity.

I conclude that a 21st century economy and society, facing 21st century problems of diminishing resources, global economies, global warming, surging 3rd world economies ..., can not succeed by going back to the extremely short sighted policies of 150 years ago. I would also argue that since 1980 we have in fact be stepping backward to those days of the powerful Oligarchs of the 19th century and as a result we now find ourselves facing nearly insurmountable problems.

But I do very much admire Mr. Paul for standing up for what he believes in (no matter how strongly I disagree with him) and I wish more in congress would learn from him to stand up for something.

[ricket]

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The Roman empire was great for the oligarchs, not so good for the slaves. That's not a good model, IMO.

I think I chose the order of my words wrong. I meant to say that man hasnt evolved much since the warmongering days of the Roman empire (as in we are still a warmongering crowd). This is making an assumption that man has evolved from his past, but I argue that in fact we have not.

I conclude that a 21st century economy and society, facing 21st century problems of diminishing resources, global economies, global warming, surging 3rd world economies ..., can not succeed by going back to the extremely short sighted policies of 150 years ago. I would also argue that since 1980 we have in fact be stepping backward to those days of the powerful Oligarchs of the 19th century and as a result we now find ourselves facing nearly insurmountable problems.

I would argue that humans have always faced a shortage of resources. At least in the time required to die off without such resources. The disconnect comes because while resources have in fact been plentiful on this planet for thousands of years, they were quite hard to acquire thanks to the technology, or lack thereof, during this time. It has only been the blip of the past 150 years that resulted in a temporary boom, to only realize that we are back in the same boat we were 150 years ago. It is only through technology squeezing every ounce of productivity from the available resources around us that we will acquire the means with which to continually sustain life as we know it on this planet. This will come mostly from the sun in some form or another, as the continuance of 'life' is actually the continuance of a perpetual motion machine of energy and the only significant source of energy we have at our disposal is from the sun. Life would not exist *without* the sun. Period.

1,000 years ago man had millions of acres of forestry to choose from (plentiful resources), but limited technology to cut down the trees (especially if he had only his bare hands or a dull axe). He still faced a shortage if he could not cut down enough trees in time to keep his family from freezing in the winter. Technology significantly reduced the probability that he would freeze to death, but eventually there will be no trees left if he consumes more than he replaces. This analogy is not perfect, but demonstrates the idea.

[cjppjc]

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I think I chose the order of my words wrong. I meant to say that man hasnt evolved much since the warmongering days of the Roman empire (as in we are still a warmongering crowd). This is making an assumption that man has evolved from his past, but I argue that in fact we have not.

You are correct. Man has not changed. Only the outward form appears different.

[kartius919]

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A dumb government for a dumb populace. I fail to see how our current arrangement is anything other than perfect.

[sn1p3r]

Re: Ron Paul on The Daily Show tonight

I'm not sure how we can determine what is "SUPPOSED" to be, or "should" be. I'm sure you'll find a rather large variance of opinion in that matter, with very little hard evidence to support any opinion. I do believe we can look at individual policy proposals and examine historically similar proposals, and look at real data, and come up with an educated guess as to how the policies would affect the country in the future. John Stewarts question regarding the similarity of Mr. Pauls proposals and those policies of the 19th century was very telling. Mr. Paul reluctantly acknowledged the similarity.

I conclude that a 21st century economy and society, facing 21st century problems of diminishing resources, global economies, global warming, surging 3rd world economies ..., can not succeed by going back to the extremely short sighted policies of 150 years ago. I would also argue that since 1980 we have in fact be stepping backward to those days of the powerful Oligarchs of the 19th century and as a result we now find ourselves facing nearly insurmountable problems.

But I do very much admire Mr. Paul for standing up for what he believes in (no matter how strongly I disagree with him) and I wish more in congress would learn from him to stand up for something.

I think we know what was intended by the framers they were VERY explicit because they knew what would happen and because of the desire to ignore the simple truths we are in our current situation.

I think you are confusing the concept of liberty with the policies that purport to "give" us liberty. 19th century ideals were MUCH closer to the concept that was intended to be executed via policy no matter what century you are in. Having a sound currency doesn't change, Individual liberties and limited gov't doesn't change...the whole purpose of Ron Paul's movement is not to take us back to the good old days. It's to stoke the fire inside each of us that is there BECAUSE of liberty. You know you are free as do I and we have to fight to keep those freedoms.