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Way to quick to throw that word around? I don't think I've mentioned the word. In the present context, I believe this was the first mention of racism, yours: "I bet you are one of those people who think "only" whites can be racist?" Or that I'm on "a crusade to destroy whites."
But here's you on another thread:
"Raz, once you open your eyes and see what is going on its like wtf? I try to be as objectivist as possible. Want to hear a funny story?
I am sitting at this "event" at my university a few years back and this black commentator was discussing his book (about racism etc) or something like that. After he was finished a white student raises his hand and he is called on. He then says "I am sorry for racism and I apologize to you for that, I am sorry for what my ancestors did and I strive to make up for my racist past."
i was literally floored.... I couldnt stand it. This is the brainwashing of "white youths" in this country and if you want to read more about the white stigma of racism you need only read Shelby Steele. A black author by the way."
After your claim that "I have seen many "mobs" as that video calls them of Indians attacking whites in Santa Cruz" I suggested that you should cite a source. They've now become muggings? No source. (And BTW my point is not that there is or is not instances of racially motivated violence against whites, that indigenous people are somehow incapable of racism. My point is that the violence is not equally on "both sides" because Evo's party has no need to resort to violence, they have trounced the opposition in two elections, as suggested by the fact that the police were trying to avoid confrontations. If you were at all aware of what's been going on there over the past few years you would know that the violence is overwhelmingly from the opposition in the Media Luna.)
I have never accused you of racism. What I've accused you of is a lack of any outrage at racist motivated violence which is really what your "funny story" above illustrates. It's also illustrated by your flippant response to some of the most disturbing images of racial hatred I've ever seen. (Did you actually watch the video where a woman at an opposition rally refers to Indians as dogs.)
I've characterised the opposition movements in the Media Luna departments as instigators of racist hatred in its campaign against a democratically elected goverment.
I've asked for some reference to opposition parties in the Media Luna or leaders that are not tainted with associations to the actions described above. Some honourable, democratic opposition? I'm sure there are some and I'm sure they unequivocally condemned these shameful actions as did all of Latin America. Do you know of any?
So what does your first hand knowledge amount to? Not much, it would appear, since you don't seem to have heard of the Pando Massacre. The body count was 30 I believe, not one as you bizarrely claim:
"UNASUR's commission on the violent events of last September 11th in Pando, Bolivia presented their finding to Evo yesterday. The report is unequivical in its characterization of the campesino massacre and those responsible, the rightwing Prefectura of Leopoldo Fernandez. Eduardo Garcia of Reuters gives you the straight story, or if you feel like sifting through the ugly details go read the report yourself (Spanish only)."
How can I know what kind of mine you would have? Because you think the suffering and humiliation of these people is a "joke."
As to the source, the writer of Inca Kola is an equity analyst who also writes on Latin American economics for Roubini's RGE Monitor. (You have failed to cite any references for any of your claims, respond to any requests for more detail on your position and you are questioning my sources?) As such, he covers Latin American mining stocks and owns and dicusses many. So do I. As someone who fully understands the importance of the sector to the region he decries the undeniable criminal actions documented in pictures in the link. There's nothing funny about it.
Way to quick to throw that word around? I don't think I've mentioned the word. In the present context, I believe this was the first mention of racism, yours: "I bet you are one of those people who think "only" whites can be racist?" Or that I'm on "a crusade to destroy whites."
But here's you on another thread:
"Raz, once you open your eyes and see what is going on its like wtf? I try to be as objectivist as possible. Want to hear a funny story?
I am sitting at this "event" at my university a few years back and this black commentator was discussing his book (about racism etc) or something like that. After he was finished a white student raises his hand and he is called on. He then says "I am sorry for racism and I apologize to you for that, I am sorry for what my ancestors did and I strive to make up for my racist past."
i was literally floored.... I couldnt stand it. This is the brainwashing of "white youths" in this country and if you want to read more about the white stigma of racism you need only read Shelby Steele. A black author by the way."
After your claim that "I have seen many "mobs" as that video calls them of Indians attacking whites in Santa Cruz" I suggested that you should cite a source. They've now become muggings? No source. (And BTW my point is not that there is or is not instances of racially motivated violence against whites, that indigenous people are somehow incapable of racism. My point is that the violence is not equally on "both sides" because Evo's party has no need to resort to violence, they have trounced the opposition in two elections, as suggested by the fact that the police were trying to avoid confrontations. If you were at all aware of what's been going on there over the past few years you would know that the violence is overwhelmingly from the opposition in the Media Luna.)
I have never accused you of racism. What I've accused you of is a lack of any outrage at racist motivated violence which is really what your "funny story" above illustrates. It's also illustrated by your flippant response to some of the most disturbing images of racial hatred I've ever seen. (Did you actually watch the video where a woman at an opposition rally refers to Indians as dogs.)
I've characterised the opposition movements in the Media Luna departments as instigators of racist hatred in its campaign against a democratically elected goverment.
I've asked for some reference to opposition parties in the Media Luna or leaders that are not tainted with associations to the actions described above. Some honourable, democratic opposition? I'm sure there are some and I'm sure they unequivocally condemned these shameful actions as did all of Latin America. Do you know of any?
So what does your first hand knowledge amount to? Not much, it would appear, since you don't seem to have heard of the Pando Massacre. The body count was 30 I believe, not one as you bizarrely claim:
"UNASUR's commission on the violent events of last September 11th in Pando, Bolivia presented their finding to Evo yesterday. The report is unequivical in its characterization of the campesino massacre and those responsible, the rightwing Prefectura of Leopoldo Fernandez. Eduardo Garcia of Reuters gives you the straight story, or if you feel like sifting through the ugly details go read the report yourself (Spanish only)."
How can I know what kind of mine you would have? Because you think the suffering and humiliation of these people is a "joke."
As to the source, the writer of Inca Kola is an equity analyst who also writes on Latin American economics for Roubini's RGE Monitor. (You have failed to cite any references for any of your claims, respond to any requests for more detail on your position and you are questioning my sources?) As such, he covers Latin American mining stocks and owns and dicusses many. So do I. As someone who fully understands the importance of the sector to the region he decries the undeniable criminal actions documented in pictures in the link. There's nothing funny about it.
i'd say they should. if anyone wants to beat someone up in a forum, they can do it elsewhere, down the street, say, at the marketticker forum where they shit on each other all day long.
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