Trump to win?

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

Here's a link:

https://www.rt.com/usa/366579-soros-...rump-protests/

There are others like this but from right wing type sources. However we know a lot of the major press is more liberal and won't report it if there was some.

We don't have an independent press anymore through I'll continue to search for a diamond in the rough

This may be the best source for now, through that hopefully will change with more additions:

http://www.snopes.com/craigslist-ad-trump-rally/

[thriftyandboringinohio]

Re: Trump to win?

Thanks vt.

[Chris Coles]

Re: Trump to win?

There is another way to look at the debate about the future of the Trump Presidency. if it is true and he is gathering around himself people that we here on iTulip do not believe have what it takes to help Trump succeed; why not take up the challenge and act as a backstop of thinking for him to turn to?

OK so I am not an American; but that goes for many of us here. That does not stop us thinking and debating; positively!

First, we need EJ back in harness to lead off with the right questions and the rest of us can pitch in with a wide debate. If predictions are correct, Trump will soon enough find that he needs input that he can rely upon and thus; who better than a team that has been together for a decade and that has a good record of sensible thinking?

We have a Shadow Fed; why not a Shadow Trump?

[LazyBoy]

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https://medium.com/@SeanBlanda/the-o...b-2670c1294063

The “Other Side” Is Not Dumb

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Sharing links that mock a caricature of the Other Side isn’t signaling that we’re somehow more informed. It signals that we’d rather be smug assholes than consider alternative views. It signals that we’d much rather show our friends that we’re like them, than try to understand those who are not.

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As any debate club veteran knows, if you can’t make your opponent’s point for them, you don’t truly grasp the issue. We can bemoan political gridlock and a divisive media all we want. But we won’t truly progress as individuals until we make an honest effort to understand those that are not like us. And you won’t convince anyone to feel the way you do if you don’t respect their position and opinions.

[shiny!]

Re: Trump to win?

https://medium.com/@SeanBlanda/the-o...b-2670c1294063

What a fantastic essay! Thanks for posting.

[GRG55]

Re: Trump to win?

You might want to recall that under Obama that fronts were opened up in Syria, Libya and Ukraine. After watching him fulfill every neoliberal's fantasy of financier immunity and global finacial empire, I watched him cash in the checks of neocons.

That some real democratic core values we have been seeing lately.

Well it's not as though he had to behave as though he was trying for a Nobel Peace Prize, eh.

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

Time to get on our knees and pray we didn't get fooled again?

[Chris Coles]

Re: Trump to win?

Well it's not as though he had to behave as though he was trying for a Nobel Peace Prize, eh.

Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss

Time to get on our knees and pray we didn't get fooled again?

Amen!

[DSpencer]

Re: Trump to win?

There is another way to look at the debate about the future of the Trump Presidency. if it is true and he is gathering around himself people that we here on iTulip do not believe have what it takes to help Trump succeed; why not take up the challenge and act as a backstop of thinking for him to turn to?

OK so I am not an American; but that goes for many of us here. That does not stop us thinking and debating; positively!

First, we need EJ back in harness to lead off with the right questions and the rest of us can pitch in with a wide debate. If predictions are correct, Trump will soon enough find that he needs input that he can rely upon and thus; who better than a team that has been together for a decade and that has a good record of sensible thinking?

We have a Shadow Fed; why not a Shadow Trump?

Reality Check: A nearly defunct website with a handful of mostly anonymous posters who disagree on everything is not going to serve as the think tank for the President of the USA.

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

What happens when you cross the Trump family? Not that anyone should feel sorry for him, but ask Chris Christie.

Last Thursday Christie was leading the Trump transition team. Today, he and his entire team have been purged. One of them called it “Stalinesque”.

What the hell happened to the Trump Christie love fest?

It turns out that Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has a less than happy relationship with Christie.

As US Attorney for the District of New Jersey, Christie made his name with a very public and embarrassing prosecution of Charles Kushner in 2004. You guessed it, Jared’s father.

Should you take sides? Hardly. Charles Kushner is a Democrat and a disgusting head of a crime family. Chris Christie is a not too bright wanna be Republican criminal. He and his minions just found out what happens when you cross the big dog.

The point of my story is that crime families do not stray very far. Jared is very comfortable in his new one. As he gains power in the Trump administration, keep your eye on him and don't cross him.

Drain the swamp….I'm sure that's what Jared has in mind.

[DSpencer]

Re: Trump to win?

What happens when you cross the Trump family? Not that anyone should feel sorry for him, but ask Chris Christie.

Last Thursday Christie was leading the Trump transition team. Today, he and his entire team have been purged. One of them called it “Stalinesque”.

What the hell happened to the Trump Christie love fest?

It turns out that Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, has a less than happy relationship with Christie.

As US Attorney for the District of New Jersey, Christie made his name with a very public and embarrassing prosecution of Charles Kushner in 2004. You guessed it, Jared’s father.

Should you take sides? Hardly. Charles Kushner is a Democrat and a disgusting head of a crime family. Chris Christie is a not too bright wanna be Republican criminal. He and his minions just found out what happens when you cross the big dog.

The point of my story is that crime families do not stray very far. Jared is very comfortable in his new one. As he gains power in the Trump administration, keep your eye on him and don't cross him.

Drain the swamp….I'm sure that's what Jared has in mind.

I feel like I might be going insane. Wasn't it you who was telling us yesterday that Trump's chief strategist was an anti-semite. Are you now saying that Trump's Jewish son-in-law is calling the shots? These conspiracies are getting very confusing.

[dcarrigg]

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I feel like I might be going insane.

It's really press-wide right now. On the radio this morning, they were simultaneously hand-wringing about anti-semites in the administration whilst hand-wringing about Trump maybe moving the US embassy from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem. They called Bannon an anti-Semite, then nearly in the next breath talked about his extremely pro-Israel positions that might put the US relationship with other gulf allied states at risk.

I suppose there's some off chance that one could be an anti-semite playing a long-con wherein your plan is to play to the most nationalistic Israeli sentiments and parties in order to somehow provoke a conflict Helter Skelter style or something. But I haven't heard that conspiracy theory yet. And it's Charles Manson levels of crazy. So far they just present it and don't even talk about the cognitive dissonance.

Also heard on the news this morning on supposedly liberal radio: "He's floating some very right wing foreign policy people this week, not at all like the moderates from the George W. Bush administration." Then they proceeded to talk about how Trump's isolationist and anti-globalist. The semantic drift it takes to call guys like Bolton "moderates" nearly made my head explode.

But it's not limited to even the normal talking heads either. I was looking into space policy. First I read he's cancelling everything to do with climate science. Then I read he's creating NASA partnerships for climate science. I read that it looks good for human space exploration and Mars, bad for climate/earth science. Then I read Trump's plan boils down to going to Mars. Except right after that I read that Trump doesn't want to go to the moon or Mars. He wants to go to outer solar system instead. And then I read Forget Mars. We're going to Europa.

Each and every single article totally contradicts the rest. One thing I know...we don't know much.

[jk]

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the theory i read about christie was that he stopped speaking as a surrogate after the access hollywood video showed up, and so was "disloyal." also, of course, christie may have been distracted by the bridgegate convictions. whatever.

[bpr]

Re: Trump to win?

Here's a link:

https://www.rt.com/usa/366579-soros-...rump-protests/

There are others like this but from right wing type sources...

Not sure what to think of this because I don't disagree with you, but the thought that Russian government-funded media might be a more reliable source on US affairs than any domestic media is troubling, to say the least.

[thriftyandboringinohio]

Re: Trump to win?

Here's a link:

https://www.rt.com/usa/366579-soros-...rump-protests/

There are others like this but from right wing type sources. However we know a lot of the major press is more liberal and won't report it if there was some.

We don't have an independent press anymore through I'll continue to search for a diamond in the rough

This may be the best source for now, through that hopefully will change with more additions:

http://www.snopes.com/craigslist-ad-trump-rally/

I did finally read that link, vt, thanks for providing it.
It say that moveon.org is doing everything it can to convince people to join public demonstrations.

How is that wrong, or dangerous, or even a surprise?

[thriftyandboringinohio]

Re: Trump to win?

the theory i read about christie was that he stopped speaking as a surrogate after the access hollywood video showed up, and so was "disloyal." also, of course, christie may have been distracted by the bridgegate convictions. whatever.

Occam's razor might suggest a different explanation.

Mr. Trump's daughter, Ivanka, is married to a young man named Jared Kushner.
Jared Kushner is a close adviser to Mr. Trump, and is especially involved in the transition.
Jared Kushner's father is Charles Kushner.

Charles spent two years in a federal prison after he was was convicted of making illegal campaign contributions, tax evasion and witness tampering.
The federal prosecutor that convicted the elder Kushner is Chris Christie.

The younger Kushner may have pushed out Mr. Christie for sending his dad to prison.
Simple personal revenge might explain it all.