Trump to win?

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

DC ,as Woodsman said, it was Santa Fe that brought the 2nd amendment into the discussion in a most slanted way:

"If HRC wins on Tuesday, this issue of white privilege and especially male white privilege is not going to be put on the back burner in the US after the election. It feels like there's a showdown coming. Woody was talking earlier in this thread about the 2nd Amendment and gun rights. In the US that's white guy code for killing people they disagree with unless those people get in line."

Fear of the state was a reason for the 2nd amendment, but today there is also fear of criminals that rape and murder. In Loudoun county, VA, where I live, a retired couple was attacked by a gang with the husband being beaten to death and the wife almost dying. There is a major problem in the Washington, D.C. area with MS-13 and the 18th Street Gang from Central America. Lack border security has let these criminal infest our communities. I support background checks for all firearms, but no denial of the right form lawful citizens to own them.

I am completely in favor of immigration from all parts of the world. Immigration is a major part of the American dynamic. What I and others disagree with is letting in millions 0f illegal immigrants ahead of the others who have been patiently waiting in line. Is this fair? Can any one supporting this failure of border control say to the legal immigrants, and we need more of them, that we'll let illegal elements in ahead of you?

And what about this as we have an election coming up:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nfgEvgVC6Qs


For those already here illegally there should be some way to bring them to legal status gradually over the next 15 years. But criminals and gangs need to be deported and the border secured. Do you agree with this policy? If not what do you propose that would be fair?

[lektrode]

Re: Trump to win?

So I'm assuming you're over 50 lek and can't get a job. You hate the president and blame him for your situation. You are, of course, not responsible for your situation. It's the black guy who screwed you over. Are you a new white socialist who blames others for your problems? Excellent comrade, you must be proud of yourself. I'm sure everyone "over fifty" will rally behind you. Sorry, I couldn't crayon up the post like you did.

you really are an idiot santa - and one that would rather talk down to/insult people they dont agree with, just like most of the 'liberal-progressive' hitlery cheerleaders i read in the comments of the major media outlets i take in on a daily basis

and a whirled-class CRONY CAPITALIST HYPOCRITE to boot!

since the alternative energy subsidzied gravy train has run its course, you've moved from one
.gov subsidy-industrial complex to the next/current most outrageous fraud-industrial complex ever concocted

that is, 2nd only to the one that put the obozo-hillbilly shows in office in the first place

altho living in that place that i have, for as long as i have, and quite successfully i might add
(until the economic trainwreck that's occurred since 2009 anyway) precludes one from being 'racist' -
that is, if one actually wants to live/survive for very long (my guess being that you wouldn't like it very much, at least not in some of the neighborhoods that i've lived in - where some would stomp your head just for being white)

but i think ms shiny! sez it better than i can:

News Flash: This white person (and all the other white people I know who despise Obama) despise him not because he's Black, but because of his foreign policy, his economic policy, his healthcare policy, and his immigration policy. But none of that matters to you because I'm white. According to you, the only possible reason I could have for hating him is race.

When it comes to white people, you've got us all pegged. We're all exactly alike: moral cretins too stupid to judge Obama by his actions; we just hate him because we're all prejudiced! And while it's stupid and unacceptable when white people are prejudiced against people of color, it's apparently perfectly alright for you to be prejudiced against whites. You positively relish making anti-white insults. I'm just disappointed that so many people here are afraid to call you out.

I'm doing my best not to hate you, but if I fail it's not because you're a Democrat, Hispanic, Native American, Black, Male or whatever. It's because you're a [insert dirty word].

This comment in no way invalidates my signature. After reading so many of your insults, this is me being way kinder than necessary.

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

Would Clinton be the third term of G.W. Bush?

The talk has always been she would be a third term of Obama, but her confrontation policies may suggest she would be more interventionist than Trump.

Take Libya. We saw Gaddafi, who voluntarily gave up his chemical weapons. He was not causing trouble and keeping Libya stable. Hillary engineers his disposal and Libya turns to civil wars that culminate with Benghazi. The country is still unstable and a launch point for migrants to Europe.

The Syria. Obama had his red line in Syria in 2014. There was some support in Congress for U.S. attacks. The American public came out overwhelmingly against intervention and Congress backed off.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/23/wo...isis.html?_r=0

Hillary and Obama's strategy in Iraq has been a disaster in letting ISIS take hold.

Hillary also has it in for Russia. Will we see more problems with the Ukraine if she is elected.

The bottom line is that Hillary's tenure as Secretary of State has not been good and this augurs poorly if she becomes President.

[lektrode]

Re: Trump to win?

...
The bottom line is that Hillary's tenure as Secretary of State has not been good and this augurs poorly if she becomes President.

'has not been good' ?

it's been AN ALL OUT DISASTER!!!

and essentially EVERYTHING thats gone wrong since The Great WIPE OUT of 2000-01

CAN BE TRACED DIRECTLY TO THE 1ST CLINTONIAN REIGN OF TERROR

and i do mean EVERYTHING:

from the passage of NAFTA to the repeal of GLASS-STEAGALL
the entire 'mortgage backed security' scamarama,
to the 'community reinvestment' banking bullshit that enabled
those with 'fog a mirror qualifications' to take on funny-money mortgages
that have bankrupted 10's of MILLIONS of The Rest of US
to the .bomb stock wipeouts in 00-01, to the 2nd bombing of the WTC on 11sep2001
to the 10 T.R.I.L.L.I.O.N in printed/borrowed/deficit-spent obozo-bux that served
ONLY TO ENRICH THEIR LARGEST CAMPAIGN CONTRIBUTORS

[gwynedd1]

Re: Trump to win?

You are of course right but don't expect any support here on iTulip's old white boy network. There was a black guy elected as president, twice. This board hates him. The economy has moved forward fairly well in spite of Republican obstructionism but they hate him. It's not racism of course, these Jim Crow bastards just hate him....well, because.

The new fearless leader they hope to elect is the racist leader of the Birther movement. Now they have to face the idea of a woman leading the country. Imagine their angst if their misogynistic leader loses and they can no longer "just grab [women] by the pussy". Disgusting.

They're showing a lot of bravado this week as they still think they can Make America White Again, subjugate women again and continue to demean anyone who doesn't fit their ideal of America with white guys in charge.

These people hate modern America. Look at the voting demographics. Old white guys and under educated white people. That is Trump's base and apparently it's also iTulip's base.

I've been somewhat surprised that no one else on this thread has championed this position, HRC will make a good president. The country and the ROW can continue to move forward.

Here's a few minutes of DJT in case anyone has forgotten what a complete ass the iTulip-sphere will apparently be voting for:

You are a complete dirt bag. Maybe I should come here more often just to dump on your sorry, racist ass.

BTW, I was in the Obama camp in 2012, given Romney was Wall Street and more hawkish.

But , uh fuck you.

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

Idiots like you are the ones creating the climate for violence. Some anti Trump nutcase pulled a gun [ed. since downgraded to stunt] at his Nevada rally and the SS had to rush to his defense. Crazy unhinged people like you want to see this man "destroyed" and I think what's at the bottom of your hateful apocalyptic rhetoric is the hope somebody does him physical harm. I will hold people like you responsible if anything happens to him.

Try to settle your little self down cupcake. Your orange is the new white, reality show hero is unlikely to be a martyr any time soon. I know you'd like to make him, and yourself important...but neither of you matter. You're annoying, I'll give you that. But we're going to continue to move the country forward without your help. You and the clan can continue to create your own reality. What did you call the president the other day? Obummer? That was so creative.

Now the Stay Puft pumpkin may find he's in trouble for cheating people with his fake Trump University or grabbing a few women in ways that aren't OK but I want you to stay strong and continue to support the continued harassment of the first woman who is apparently strong enough to break into the good old boys club even though your racist, misogynist team has tried to destroy her for 30 years.

Now try to remember that I told you and your clan members that this latest FBI "investigation" was nonsense. Even Fox is reporting that there is no there, there. Your rather dumb fascist leader has apparently never heard of computers because he says, "You can't review 650,000 emails in 8 days.". I know his voters are either racists or really dumb but I didn't think they were all that dumb.

This may be difficult but think of the 650,000 "new" emails as a set to be compared against all of the emails reviewed previously. All we want to know is if any of these emails are new or just duplicates of emails reviewed previously. This is not 8 days work, not 8 hours or 8 minutes. Once the program is set-up, it's probably not 8 seconds unless there is an outlier. An actual email that is not a duplicate. Unfortunately for the clan, they were all duplicates and the FBI, like all of you, just looks foolish.

Again, for the 20th time, maybe more, the rag-tag alt right, (now that you've signed up, that includes you Woody), has been proven to be wrong in their allegations. And we all know you're not just wrong, you would lie about anything to throw the election the way of your reality show boy to destroy the 21st Century US, to Make American White Again.

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

You are a complete dirt bag. Maybe I should come here more often just to dump on your sorry, racist ass.

BTW, I was in the Obama camp in 2012, given Romney was Wall Street and more hawkish.

But , uh fuck you.

Great closing argument. I'd put you on ignore so long ago I'd forgotten why. Thanks for the reminder.

[Ellen Z]

Re: Trump to win?

So is iTulip going to survive this election?

[dcarrigg]

Re: Trump to win?

So is iTulip going to survive this election?

Who knows? This is by far the ugliest one I've seen since I started lurking about a decade ago.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

Santa, I don't understand. If you hate folks on iTulip and hold so much contempt for the majority of its members, particularly us old white people, why do you remain active?

You've caused a great deal of disturbance over the past several months with your insistence on slandering and insulting everyone with whom you disagree politically. You've added nothing to the conversation except to create dissention and discord in the community and for no appreciable reason other than yours seems to be in the minority opinion.

It's my sincerest wish that the owner of the community would ask you to leave and I encourage him to remove your access as soon as possible. I am happy to cover the cost of any refund he might make to you.

In lieu of that, I'd like to see you leave on your own and find a place more consonant with your view. Or ask that the community reach consensus and vote you off the island.

You're more trouble than this place can take. We can benefit from disagreement but your style of argument is a form of arson and threatens to burn the entire community down.

So just go, already.

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Trump to win?

So is iTulip going to survive this election?

It's getting a bit zombie apocalypse-y up in here.

[touchring]

Re: Trump to win?

It's getting a bit zombie apocalypse-y up in here.

This maybe the last election before AI really starts to make jobs obsolete. Just wondering how the next election will be different.

Will the bankers offer to pay for universal basic income from their pockets?

http://fortune.com/2016/11/06/elon-m...-basic-income/

Or will India show what the world will look like in the future when there are more people than there are jobs?

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/02/as...r-census-secc/

India's latest Socioeconomic and Caste Census (SECC) paints a stark picture of widespread rural poverty and deprivation.

Of the 300 million households surveyed, an overwhelming majority (73%) live in villages. Of this rural population, less than 5% earn enough to pay taxes, only 2.5% own a 4-wheeler vehicle and less than 10% have salaried jobs.

[jk]

Re: Trump to win?

So is iTulip going to survive this election?

i hope so. i know i've lost respect for certain people, but i'm not sure that matters when/if we get back to economic/financial/investment oriented discussions. part of the problem there, though, is that with a thoroughly managed economy there is less to discuss.

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Trump to win?

This maybe the last election before AI really starts to make jobs obsolete. Just wondering how the next election will be different.

Will the bankers offer to pay for universal basic income from their pockets?

http://fortune.com/2016/11/06/elon-m...-basic-income/

Or will India show what the world will look like in the future when there are more people than there are jobs?

http://edition.cnn.com/2015/08/02/as...r-census-secc/

Maybe both?

UBI for citizens, and nothing for illegals.

So a mix of Idiocracy and World War Z basically.

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Trump to win?

i hope so. i know i've lost respect for certain people, but i'm not sure that matters when/if we get back to economic/financial/investment oriented discussions. part of the problem there, though, is that with a thoroughly managed economy there is less to discuss.

Open forum discussion of finance/investment seems to have ended a LONG time ago.

It's devolved into political mud slinging.

Behaviour towards one another has reached a new "limbo low".

Which is ironic considering: https://lageneralista.com/mutuallyas...aldestruction/