Trump to win?

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

@stantafe2
Wait, are you saying the election is rigged?

Who the hell are you? Have you added some substantive content to iTulip? You find election rigging funny?

Idiot.

Please, never respond again.

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

and never mind how obozocare has caused the entire med-insurance fraud-industrial complex
to WIPE OUT THE JOB MARKET FOR ANYBODY OVER FIFTY!??

So I'm assuming you're over 50 lek and can't get a job. You hate the president and blame him for your situation. You are, of course, not responsible for your situation. It's the black guy who screwed you over. Are you a new white socialist who blames others for your problems? Excellent comrade, you must be proud of yourself. I'm sure everyone "over fifty" will rally behind you. Sorry, I couldn't crayon up the post like you did.

[touchring]

Re: Trump to win?

It seems unlikely. There will be additional issues after the election as this candidate only respects himself and has no respect for our system of government. His supporters are of the same mind. I've said it before, we're still fighting the Civil War in the US. I don't think people outside the US get this. We look like a bunch of idiots letting such a complete Neanderthal, (sorry folks with some Neanderthal heritage), have a chance to run the largest economic power in the world.

It's the economy. When the going gets tough, and jobs are scarce, you need to put the blame on someone or some group of people that are different from you - be it ethnicity, religion (Paks vs Indians, Arab Shiites vs Sunnis) or region.

Nassim Taleb says that who gets to be the US President matters more to the outside world than the majority of Americans, and I would like to add - at least in the short term.

http://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/03/black...residency.html

He also said a Clinton presidency may not be disruptive domestically, but would be overseas. Taleb said Clinton is likely to be an interventionist internationally.


Taleb said Trump would be less likely to intervene in events overseas and would try to go with the prevailing winds among voters. Hypothetically speaking, if Trump felt that voters didn't care about events in a place like Egypt, Taleb said ,Trump wouldn't want to act against what voters want.

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Trump to win?

As for electing a woman, why don't Condoleezza Rice offer to be or rather is put up for Presidency?

I had the chance to meet Condoleeza Rice a few months ago.

There was significant discussion in orbit around her during the lead up and following, specifically regarding her candidacy prospects in 2020. She deferred of course.

In my interaction with her, which included a couple very direct questions, I was genuinely impressed with her responses.

A fair few of her Stanford GSB colleagues have cheeky signs on their office doors such as "Rice/Lazear 2020".

[Woodsman]

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I know what you mean. What a great liar she is! It's hard for me to imagine the psychology required for her to keep it together knowing she is responsible for the disasters unfolding across the Middle East and at home. If I had the responsibility for the mountains of generational, cross border death and suffering that Condi carries, I don't think I could handle it with half her grace and charm.

The fear of eventual prosecution for my crimes alone, no matter how remote and unlikely, would haunt me, never mind the guilt. It's nice that we treat our war criminals with such comfortable sinecures and that must help relieve the pressure.

[Woodsman]

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Santa, I know this is tough for you. You've invested so much into this election, your common sense, critical faculties, and decency to name a few. And now it looks like it may have been all for nothing.

On Tuesday I night, I'll fall to sleep same as I did 364 nights before it no matter who gets to sit in the big chair. What will you do? Will you rejoice with tears streaming down your face now that the moment is at last here?

Or should it come to pass that this nefarious international conspiracy with the FBI, the KGB, and the GOP working together with the KKK and 4chan to re-establish the Confederacy and Jim Crow white supremacy under the banner of a smirking frog succeed, what then?




What does one do if they really believe that a grand international conspiracy between the FBI and KGB is afoot:

"So the Russian government, the FBI, (and it now appears, up to and including the director), and the alt right are all working together to take down HRC..."

Because all I see is two possibilities here - either as you say, we have crossed the Rubicon, or you are in the middle of a psychotic breakdown.

[BK]

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I'm so confused. In 2012 President Obama told the USA and Romney that Russia is not our enemy and the cold war was over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg

Today the Democrats tell us that the Russians, yes the evil Russians, are conspiring with Trump to hand him the election.

I'm so confused .... our leaders wouldn't lie.

[dcarrigg]

Re: Trump to win?

I'm so confused. In 2012 President Obama told the USA and Romney that Russia is not our enemy and the cold war was over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg

Today the Democrats tell us that the Russians, yes the evil Russians, are conspiring with Trump to hand him the election.

I'm so confused .... our leaders wouldn't lie.

I don't think it's so confusing. Hillary voted for the Iraq War. Obama didn't. Obama doesn't want to start trouble with Russia. Hillary does. "The Democrats" are not a monolithic group. Now we hear what team Hillary has to say. Team Hillary has a TON of neocon support. Team Obama had none. As much as both the Trump and the Clinton campaigns have been telling you she's the third Obama administration, at least in terms of foreign policy, she's nothing of the sort. She's probably closer to the third W. Bush administration in that regard.

[gwynedd1]

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I don't think it's so confusing. Hillary voted for the Iraq War. Obama didn't. Obama doesn't want to start trouble with Russia. Hillary does. "The Democrats" are not a monolithic group. Now we hear what team Hillary has to say. Team Hillary has a TON of neocon support. Team Obama had none. As much as both the Trump and the Clinton campaigns have been telling you she's the third Obama administration, at least in terms of foreign policy, she's nothing of the sort. She's probably closer to the third W. Bush administration in that regard.

Trump seems to have caused the flea infested rats to run from the listing Republican boat and on to the matron voyage of HMS Dreadhaute. Glamor , meet neocon. The worst of both parties is all aboard. It used to be a choice of a pittance to the middle class for the price of militancy with the other option being a round of incremental socialism being the cost of a brief respite of war. What a grab to say the least. They thought perhaps there was no need to even sacrifice a single issue on this one.

Obama was complicit in the escalation yet more war , but it that took prodding. HRC is the whole globalist package.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

...It feels like there's a showdown coming. Woody was talking earlier in this thread about the 2nd Amendment and gun rights. In the US that's white guy code for killing people they disagree with unless those people get in line.

Idiots like you are the ones creating the climate for violence. Some anti Trump nutcase pulled a gun [ed. since downgraded to stunt] at his Nevada rally and the SS had to rush to his defense. Crazy unhinged people like you want to see this man "destroyed" and I think what's at the bottom of your hateful apocalyptic rhetoric is the hope somebody does him physical harm. I will hold people like you responsible if anything happens to him.


http://www.mediaite.com/online/break...ecret-service/

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

Hey Santa! It's your side that we can't trust with guns:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_k...munist_regimes

Yet another reason we have the second amendment. The gun owners of America will never use them unless your friends try to take this right away by force. This is the main reason the amendment was created.

[touchring]

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I'm so confused. In 2012 President Obama told the USA and Romney that Russia is not our enemy and the cold war was over.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T1409sXBleg

Today the Democrats tell us that the Russians, yes the evil Russians, are conspiring with Trump to hand him the election.

I'm so confused .... our leaders wouldn't lie.

I had the impression that Obama wasn't doing well in the Middle East, and with the election coming, he (or was it Clinton or Biden?) wanted to create another conflict somewhere else to divert the attention from the failures of the Administration in Iraq and Syria.

But somehow while everyone was focused on the bankers sponsored uprising in Ukraine, ISIS grabbed hold of the opportunity to "slip into" Mosul. Now they are trying to create the impression that the Iraqi army can take back Mosul. Notice they started doing this so close to the President election date, because if they were to fail, it wouldn't happen at least within the next couple of days.

[dcarrigg]

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Hey Santa! It's your side that we can't trust with guns:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_k...munist_regimes

Yet another reason we have the second amendment. The gun owners of America will never use them unless your friends try to take this right away by force. This is the main reason the amendment was created.

Don't try to turn party politics into an us vs. them thing with guns. Don't ever do it, vt.

I'll tell you one thing right now. Most of the Yankee gun owners I know keep them not because they're afraid of the state, but because they're afraid of people like the Bundys or anyone else who invades peaceful towns by force and posts "murder the president" treason on facebook.

"The gun owners of America" are also not a monolithic group, and the minute you start imagining that they are is the minute you invite an equal civilian response to treason.

Here's another wiki for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Brown_(abolitionist)

Don't assume all us Yankees are made of weaker stuff these days.

Heed some old words of wisdom before you go popping off so casually down the treason trail.

I would not be so willing to bring arms into the argument were I in your position. And nor am I so willing in mine. There are better ways forth.

You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing! You mistake, too, the people of the North. They are a peaceable people but an earnest people, and they will fight, too. They are not going to let this country be destroyed without a mighty effort to save it … Besides, where are your men and appliances of war to contend against them? The North can make a steam engine, locomotive, or railway car; hardly a yard of cloth or pair of shoes can you make. You are rushing into war with one of the most powerful, ingeniously mechanical, and determined people on Earth — right at your doors. You are bound to fail. Only in your spirit and determination are you prepared for war. In all else you are totally unprepared, with a bad cause to start with. At first you will make headway, but as your limited resources begin to fail, shut out from the markets of Europe as you will be, your cause will begin to wane. If your people will but stop and think, they must see in the end that you will surely fail.

[shiny!]

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You are of course right but don't expect any support here on iTulip's old white boy network. There was a black guy elected as president, twice. This board hates him. The economy has moved forward fairly well in spite of Republican obstructionism but they hate him. It's not racism of course, these Jim Crow bastards just hate him....well, because.

News Flash: This white person (and all the other white people I know who despise Obama) despise him not because he's Black, but because of his foreign policy, his economic policy, his healthcare policy, and his immigration policy. But none of that matters to you because I'm white. According to you, the only possible reason I could have for hating him is race.

When it comes to white people, you've got us all pegged. We're all exactly alike: moral cretins too stupid to judge Obama by his actions; we just hate him because we're all prejudiced! And while it's stupid and unacceptable when white people are prejudiced against people of color, it's apparently perfectly alright for you to be prejudiced against whites. You positively relish making anti-white insults. I'm just disappointed that so many people here are afraid to call you out.

I'm doing my best not to hate you, but if I fail it's not because you're a Democrat, Hispanic, Native American, Black, Male or whatever. It's because you're a [insert dirty word].

This comment in no way invalidates my signature. After reading so many of your insults, this is me being way kinder than necessary.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

Don't try to turn party politics into an us vs. them thing with guns. Don't ever do it, vt...I would not be so willing to bring arms into the argument were I in your position. And nor am I so willing in mine. There are better ways forth.

D.C., I absolutely agree and do without reservation. I second this with all enthusiasm.

That said, it wasn't Vt who introduced this poison. It was Santa and I really think in his heart of hearts he hopes for something awful like this to happen. So if we're going to lecture anyone, I think it's Santa. He's been out for blood since the conventions and has on multiple instances openly expressed a desire to see Trump and his supporters "destroyed." And I don't think he's an outlier when we consider the history of this campaign and the unhinged rhetoric deployed against Trump.

It wasn't enough to focus on Trump's actual transgressions. Folks had to make up an "evil vs eviler" narrative to drag Hilz across the finish, I get that. But when a sufficient contrast required "eviler" to be Mussolini, Hitler and the Grand Dragon of the KKK, you would think that at least one of these cats surrounding Hilz would have thought to themselves, "you know, maybe we're not thinking this through all the way..." and considered what that all said about their own candidate. Instead, they seem happy to burn down the village in order to save it.

No matter what those suffering from propaganda-induced election psychosis say, this is not a redux of 1860.