Trump to win?

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

The $999 full genome sequencing we have today should fall to $299 within 18-24 months.

And $29.99 at Walmart in a decade. On average we live longer than we did 500 years ago but we don't yet live longer in absolute terms. That is about to change.

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Trump to win?

And $29.99 at Walmart in a decade. On average we live longer than we did 500 years ago but we don't yet live longer in absolute terms. That is about to change.

Imagine deep state string pullers with not just the power/wealth of a Greek demigod(with the standard Greek demigod failings of course), but also the longevity and persistence.

This within the far end of our bell curved life expectancies.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

I have a hard time believing that a Super-Top-Secret CIA plot is being advertised in the MSM. Looks like political theater to me. Sabre rattling.

Well, Shiny!, we can take comfort knowing (for lack of a better word) that unnamed "US intelligence officials" and invisible "current and former officials" claim they'll be proportional.

That means in response to false-flag, ersatz Russian hacks, we'll deliver a fantasy, make-believe "in-kind" response. And that only makes sense, since the evidence linking these allegations to Russia is also invisible, make-believe pixie dust.

Because as you know we can trust unnamed "US intelligence sources" never to spread false stories or rumors, such truth tellers they are and have always been. I mean, if Honest James Clapper says it's true, you can take it to the bank (BCCI or Riggs Bank, please). After all Honest Jim has "confidence" and "belief" that the Rooskies are tilting the table for Trump - no evidence, but plenty of confidence.

So strong is the belief among the "community" that it even trumps the actual, verifiable evidence that the DNC manipulated the election by promoting Clinton over Sanders and colluding with HRC. Their confidence is so high that clicking their heels together and saying "there's no place like home" is more compelling than actual, verifiable evidence that the media is working with the Clintons to manipulate the election, along with the White House and the cloak and dagger elements.

It's just too bad that through these acts our intrepid unnamed "US intelligence officials" and their agents of influence in the media once again become their own parody.



Do you think they recognize that? Or are they too self-unconscious for even such simple insight? Probably, since we see precisely the same dynamic worming its way here at iTulip with folks making heroic efforts to distract and redirect us away from the mountain of actual, verifiable evidence with specific names, places and dates, dropped on HRC's lap each day now until November 8th.

With our famously free press now working overtime to beat the North Korean Central News Agency at credulous sycophancy toward the state and confirmed as adjuncts of the Clinton campaign - who itself has been show to be an adjunct of the Obama administration following the last batch of emails released - we can all be assured that the official lies will get the coverage official liars demand. So buckle up. This rigged election is going to be a real nail biter right until the very last minute when the pre-determined winner is announced.

But maybe not? The "community's" best minds have been working overtime in Syria to help their moderate Al-Qaeda Islamists gain ground and just can't seem to make it happen no matter which brand of head chopping terrorists they get behind. Maybe they have the same sort of really smart people working to rig the election too and we can expect a similarly unexpected outcome. Nothing they've thrown at Trump has made a difference.

Oh, if only they could drone strike Trump or send in a squad of coalfaced assassins to take him and his family out? Because for all their many failures, they're as good as ever at blowing up bodies into little pieces and in the process creating a new batch of enemies from whom they'll protect us.

Just a few days ago a precision strike (either by us or by our freedom loving Saudi allies on our behalf) took out a single bad guy in Yemen and only killed or maimed 640 noncombatants in the process. And the day before, we launched a missile attack on Yemen against radar installations in response to attacks by missiles against our ships that no can show actually ever happened, as the only ones who saw it were the same ones who reported it - the Navy.

I note the same pattern here as with the "Russian hack," but am more struck how it rhymes with the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident. You might not be old enough to remember it, but I recall they had a similar degree of "confidence" and "belief" of those attacks too, only to have them revealed as lies once 50,000 Americans and upwards of 2 million Vietnamese were dead.


MAGA! GO TRUMP! JAIL HILLARY! GO TRUMP! MAGA!

MAGA! GO TRUMP! JAIL HILLARY! GO TRUMP! MAGA!

[jk]

Re: Trump to win?

Last 4 paragraphs of Taibbi in RS.

The only thing that could get in the way of real change – if not now, then surely very soon – was a rebellion so maladroit, ill-conceived and irresponsible that even the severest critics of the system would become zealots for the status quo.

In the absolute best-case scenario, the one in which he loses, this is what Trump's run accomplished. He ran as an outsider antidote to a corrupt two-party system, and instead will leave that system more entrenched than ever. If he goes on to lose, he will be our Bonaparte, the monster who will continue to terrify us even in exile, reinforcing the authority of kings.

If you thought lesser-evilism was bad before, wait until the answer to every question you might have about your political leaders becomes, "Would you rather have Trump in office?"

Trump can't win. Our national experiment can't end because one aging narcissist got bored of sex and food. Not even America deserves that. But that doesn't mean we come out ahead. We're more divided than ever, sicker than ever, dumber than ever. And there's no reason to think it won't be worse the next time.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics...-trump-w444943

this is so true. i'm nauseated by the fact that i want hillary clinton to be president.

i've been following the election obsessively, clicking on fivethirtyeight several times a day. i've never been so locked in. partly i suppose it's the new, modern availability of near real-time information, but that's not enough to explain my fascination. i watch in horror as this election unfolds. i've never, ever liked horror movies, but i think this must be what it's like to watch a horror movie: fear and fascination, i can't tear my eyes away.


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the status quo coalition is really large and powerful and could last a long time, joining the country club republicans and neocons to the existing democrats' coalition of professional elites/educated whites + minorities. you would think that in the future minorities might hive off and join poorer, less educated whites but the racial issues preclude that.

when lyndon johnson got the civil rights act passed he predicted that he was losing the south to the republicans for a generation. this was sealed by nixon's "southern strategy," turning what had been "the solid [democratic] south" into a solid republican south. not all trump supporters are racists, but it appears that the most overt racists are trump supporters. they, as a group, cannot join hands with the poorer elements of the democratic coalition. this precludes a class-based politics.

[jk]

Re: Trump to win?

There are some pretty big life extension moon shot "exploration" projects as well as incremental "exploitation" projects running in Silicon Valley, including a big effort by Google.

If you have real money and power today, I'm sure you'd be quite interested in maintaining it for a few more years or decades.

My measurement is simple, just apply the same yardstick to Ray Kurzweil's predictions for longevity as we see in retrospect with 90's dot com kids.

Just add 15 years to every target date Ray publishes as long as Moore's Law holds.

The $999 full genome sequencing we have today should fall to $299 within 18-24 months.

with the exception of a handful of cancers, i don't think the genetic stuff is ready for prime time yet, but it's close. otoh, i'm not convinced that the theoretical human lifespan can be extended beyond 100, perhaps 115 years. even without that, continuing to expand the duration of HEALTHY lifespan is a major achievement. i, for one, want a long, healthy life and then a quick death.

there are those like woody allen, though. he said he didn't want to achieve immortality through his work; he wanted to achieve immortality by not dying. has anyone here read huxley's "after many a summer dies the swan"? i fear that his exaggerated prediction of the effects of long life may well be realized. even if alzheimer's itself is conquered, microvascular dementia will be a really hard nut to crack if lives are much prolonged.

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

One of my doctors has worked with NIH in the longevity field as far back as the 90's. His view is while we may be able to add a few years to longevity we are far more likely to increase quality of life for older people than to extend life spans more than a few years.

One other observation is the aging process itself. For example by the 90's a huge percentage of men will have prostate cancer but will not die of it. However if we get men to live past 100 won't prostate cancer finally kill them?

[jk]

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One other observation is the aging process itself. For example by the 90's a huge percentage of men will have prostate cancer but will not die of it. However if we get men to live past 100 won't prostate cancer finally kill them?

probably not. most prostate cancer is really slow growing. for men who have had their prostates removed because of a cancer diagnosis, some go on to have what is called "biochemical recurrence" [i.e. if the prostate is gone the psa test should be zero, "biochemical recurrence" means that prostate tissue has shown up somewhere else in the body]. the leading cause of death in men with biochemical recurrence is cardiovascular disease.

[lektrode]

Re: Trump to win?

Completely agree. This is why I moved out of renewable energy three years ago and into the US medical business. AR and other technologies are going to be massively disruptive and much more quickly than most people understand. This should be clear to most people by 2020.

why is that not surprising...

or that you'd be a big fan of the obomba+hillbilly show.

guess it's the first rule for the crony class, eh?

follow the .govs gravy train...

[lektrode]

Re: Trump to win?

this is so true. i'm nauseated by the fact that i want hillary clinton to be president.....

hey now!

see - despite the best efforts of some to divide the itulip along idiological lines?

we DO have common ground.

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the status quo coalition is really large and powerful and could last a long time, joining the country club republicans and neocons to the existing democrats' coalition of professional elites/educated whites + minorities. you would think that in the future minorities might hive off and join poorer, less educated whites but the racial issues preclude that.

when lyndon johnson got the civil rights act passed he predicted that he was losing the south to the republicans for a generation. this was sealed by nixon's "southern strategy," turning what had been "the solid [democratic] south" into a solid republican south. not all trump supporters are racists, but it appears that the most overt racists are trump supporters. they, as a group, cannot join hands with the poorer elements of the democratic coalition. this precludes a class-based politics.

well... that didnt last very long...
guess to some folks, it really ALWAYS WILL BE stardate: 1965, somewhere in selma alabama...

while some of us just think billy-gate and hilly-gate blows the pantsuit right off pussy-gate
and all the claims of racism, sexism, misogynism + gender-confusionism is...

NOTHING BUT BULLSHITISM AND DISTRACTIONISM

and if they can't beat em?

deny, delay and obfuscate em - right?

since they sure as hell aint been blinding em with 'brilliance'...

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

Such an abundance of virtue, utterly misdirected and gone to waste. Feeling a bit of nausea myself after reading that self-serving cant.

The modern world is not evil; in some ways the modern world is far too good. It is full of wild and wasted virtues. When a religious scheme is shattered…it is not merely the vices that are let loose. The vices are, indeed, let loose, and they wander and do damage. But the virtues are let loose also; and the virtues wander more wildly, and the virtues do more terrible damage. The modern world is full of the old Christian virtues gone mad. The virtues have gone mad because they have been isolated from each other and are wandering alone. Thus some scientists care for truth; and their truth is pitiless. Thus some humanitarians only care for pity; and their pity (I am sorry to say) is often untruthful.
G.K. Chesterton, “Orthodoxy” (1908)

The modern world is not evil; in some ways the modern world is far too good. It is full of wild and wasted virtues. When a religious scheme is shattered…it is not merely the vices that are let loose. The vices are, indeed, let loose, and they wander and do damage. But the virtues are let loose also; and the virtues wander more wildly, and the virtues do more terrible damage. The modern world is full of the old Christian virtues gone mad. The virtues have gone mad because they have been isolated from each other and are wandering alone. Thus some scientists care for truth; and their truth is pitiless. Thus some humanitarians only care for pity; and their pity (I am sorry to say) is often untruthful.

? G.K. Chesterton, “Orthodoxy” (1908)

[lektrode]

Re: Trump to win?

well... something in your last/just now
cut n paste just broke the 'style' formatting woody....
("such wasted virtue")

so now CANT SEE ANYTHING???

when viewing in LINEAR MODE



maybe try remove (ctrl-A, then ctrl-X) that what you just pasted in,
then paste it (cntl-V) on notepad, and try to paste in again??

since this ones been getting really good lately!!

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

Lek, the reply with the bad styling is like the "killing joke." It's so goldurned profound it might just knock you into the hereafter. So better it turned out that way.

Anyhoo, I invited the lads over for cards and cigars and some adult beverages and prolly had more than I should so sorry about that. I'm shitty card player but a pretty good drinker. Let me go handle these dudes.

MAGA!

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Trump to win?

Just a few days ago a precision strike (either by us or by our freedom loving Saudi allies on our behalf) took out a single bad guy in Yemen and only killed or maimed 640 noncombatants in the process. And the day before, we launched a missile attack on Yemen against radar installations in response to attacks by missiles against our ships that no can show actually ever happened, as the only ones who saw it were the same ones who reported it - the Navy.

I note the same pattern here as with the "Russian hack," but am more struck how it rhymes with the "Gulf of Tonkin" incident. You might not be old enough to remember it, but I recall they had a similar degree of "confidence" and "belief" of those attacks too, only to have them revealed as lies once 50,000 Americans and upwards of 2 million Vietnamese were dead.


MAGA! GO TRUMP! JAIL HILLARY! GO TRUMP! MAGA!

MAGA! GO TRUMP! JAIL HILLARY! GO TRUMP! MAGA!

Woodsman, let's add some factual context:

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That's the list of confirmed senior Houthi military leaders who attended and were killed in THAT specific attack. A reported 17 Houthi generals and 9 colonels in the casualty list.

The nearly ubiquitous and always tragic imagery of dead women and children oddly hasn't occurred in this particular case.

Ironically, the example you chose is one of the rare examples of what clearly appears to be legimitate and open source evidence based attack success.

A bit like the 4 frighteningly successful Houthi missile attacks on Saudi/UAE/GCC coalition HQ and force concentrations that killed over 500 personnel in the last 12 months and continue to scare the shit out of them.

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Here's the results of a Houthi land based anti ship missile attack on a UAE(former US Navy) ship days prior to the attack on the US Navy ship Mason:

http://www.maritime-executive.com/ar...ship-off-yemen

http://www.hisutton.com/HVS-2%20Swift%20hit.html#

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In your glee to find another "Gulf of Tonkin incident" the far simpler question you really should have asked is

WHY was the USS Mason even sailing within range of KNOWN Houthi anti ship missile range only days after a confirmed attack?

Aggressively navigating a surface combat ship to provoke an attack is far more likely than an overly complex Bondian villain conspiracy you have once again clearly implied.

[shiny!]

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Page 70 of this thread is broken now.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

...In your glee to find another "Gulf of Tonkin incident" the far simpler question you really should have asked is

WHY was the USS Mason even sailing within range of KNOWN Houthi anti ship missile range only days after a confirmed attack?

Aggressively navigating a surface combat ship to provoke an attack is far more likely than an overly complex Bondian villain conspiracy you have once again clearly implied.

What's the emoticon for eye rolling. Yes, yes, we know. Everything Lake has is "fact." Woodsman, alls he's gots is his conspiracies. Yeah, for sure.

Anyway, weird how these Houthis are so good they can hit the Saudi and UAE shipping but their missiles "fall short" of ours, almost like they were never actually fired. Either they weren't fired because this is another false flag or because the Houthi commanders aren't stupid enough to try and sink an American vessel only to have the sun, moon and stars fall on their heads a few hours later, followed by a Marine amphibious division landing. Or for some other reason neither of us fathom.

Whatever the real story is, it seems we're now getting sucked in to fighting these Houthis directly, adding yet another war to the roster. Again, in a place where we are neither wanted nor have any interest beyond the garden variety freedom of navigation interests common to all.

Yet here we are again, seemingly at war with the entire Middle East, backing Saudi Barbaria in another proxy war, only now increasingly less proximate and more direct by the day. Here we go, imagining we can win a guerrilla war with high tech weapons. Once again driven reflexively and thoughtlessly by paranoiac fear of Sovi... Iranian influence, blindly walking in to another quagmire doomed to cost billions of dollars and thousands of lives.


And why was the Mason sailing where she was? As you imply, more or less the same reasons for the OPLAN 34Alpha strikes. More or less the same reason Maddox and Turner Joy were sailing where they were.




But we're 21st century now, so instead a big combined operation of Nasty boats and SOG troopers raising Hell on the coasts and multiple ships running DESOTO patrols listening in, one boat does all the shooting and all the rooting around collecting the subsequent signals.

And that's was my point in making the analogy. Lyndon Baines Clintoon can do a Tonkin gulf, i mean Baab el Mandab resolution in January assuming she manages to steal the election.