Trump to win?

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

Reagan far outperformed Obama in job creation. Below are the actual BLS figures:

Numbers listed from 1941 and onward are BLS data^[2] of jobs (in thousands), and are shown from the year beginning and ending each presidential term. The monthly statistics are quoted from January, as U.S. presidents take office at the end of that month.

Harding/Coolidge	R	1921–1925	25,000 **	29,500 **	+ 4,500 **	+4.23% **
Calvin Coolidge	R	1925–1929	29,500 **	32,100 **	+ 2,600 **	+2.13% **
Herbert Hoover	R	1929–1933	32,100 **	25,700 **	-6,400 **	-5.41% **
Franklin Roosevelt	D	1933–1937	25,700 **	31,200 **	+ 5,500 **	+4.97% **
Franklin Roosevelt	D	1937–1941	31,200 **	34,480 **	+ 3,280 **	+2.53% **
Franklin Roosevelt	D	1941–1945	34,480	41,903	+ 7,423	+5.00%
Roosevelt/Truman	D	1945–1949	41,903	44,675	+ 2,772	+1.61%
Harry Truman	D	1949–1953	44,675	50,145	+ 5,470	+2.93%
Dwight Eisenhower	R	1953–1957	50,145	52,888	+ 2,743	+1.34%
Dwight Eisenhower	R	1957–1961	52,888	53,683	+ 795	+0.87%
Kennedy/Johnson	D	1961–1965	53,683	59,583	+ 5,900	+2.64%
Lyndon Johnson	D	1965–1969	59,583	69,438	+ 9,855	+3.90%
Richard Nixon	R	1969–1973	69,438	76,290	+ 6,852	+2.38%
Nixon/Ford	R	1973–1977	76,290	80,237	+ 3,947	+1.29%
Jimmy Carter	D	1977–1981	80,692	91,031	+10,339	+3.06%
Ronald Reagan	R	1981–1985	91,037	96,353	+ 5,322	+1.43%
Ronald Reagan	R	1985–1989	96,353	107,133	+10,780	+2.69%
George H. W. Bush	R	1989–1993	107,133	109,805	+ 2,672	+0.62%
Bill Clinton	D	1993–1997	109,805	121,381	+11,576	+2.64%
Bill Clinton	D	1997–2001	121,381	132,696	+11,315	+2.33%
George W. Bush	R	2001–2005	132,696	132,752	+ 56	+0.01%
George W. Bush	R	2005–2009	132,752	133,977	+ 1,225	+0.23%
Barack Obama	D	2009–2013	133,977	135,266	+ 1,316	+0.25%
Barack Obama	D	2013–2016	135,266	143,915	+ 8,649[3]	+1.98%

**Approximate

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jobs_c...idential_terms

[LazyBoy]

Re: Trump to win?

But two things we can be sure of is that taxes will go up in an HRC administration and she will lead America into the next neocon war.

That second link really speaks to me.

Bold statement but of course it's pure speculation. The Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld wars in Iraq and Afghanistan massively destabilized the Middle East. We'll continue to pay for that until their oil runs dry and we can sufficiently support ourselves with renewable energy sources and non Middle East energy supplies.

True, but they're not running. It's easy to not vote for them.

[LazyBoy]

Re: Trump to win?

Mark Blyth on Global Trumpism (on the Right and Left)

[lektrode]

Re: Trump to win?

oh puh-leeeze... (rhymes with sleeeeeeeze)

• Unemployment down from 10.1% to 4.9%
• 3X as many jobs created under the Obama administration than Bush
• Forbes magazine says Obama outperformed Reagan in jobs growth

If you make $400,000 a year or more, congratulations and yes, your taxes will most likely go up...as they should.



Bold statement but of course it's pure speculation. The Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld wars in Iraq and Afghanistan massively destabilized the Middle East. We'll continue to pay for that until their oil runs dry and we can sufficiently support ourselves with renewable energy sources and non Middle East energy supplies.

ya know...

i have pals from/on both sides of the aisle, one end of the ideological spectrum to the other, on both ends of the perspective re: 'social justice' crusades

and you know what i've noted santa? (and i dont care if you want to know)

essentially ALL of you HRC inclined voters ALL quote the same BS!

it would appear that it simply doesnt matter to any of you that she and all the rest 'with her' - including all the 'benefactors' of the 'charitable' foundation (SCAM) - that even tho she and the rest of the obozo+hillbilly show are The Most Twistedly Corrupt, Inept and BOUGHT OFF bunch of WAR-MONGERING political apaRATchix in US History

who've spent, given away and flatout FLUSHED the US treasury straight into bankruptcy, adding 10 TRILLION in printed money/DEBT in less than 8 years - WITH NOTHING TO SHOW FOR IT on 'main street' - other than that benefits mostly those same 'benefactors & contributors' (while SCREWING The Rest of US, out of $2.3 TRILLION and counting worth of interest/yield on our hard-earned after-tax savings)

sides, what?
a multi-trillion dollar give-away to the 'health insurance industry', aka SCAM
allowed the perps of biggest financial crime wave in history to walk, aka SCAM
BLOWN UNTOLD BILLIONS IN CRONY CLASS 'alternative energy' SCAMS

which - my guess would be, has allowed you to retire quite comfortably, after fleeing your home state, because the results and unintended consequences all your goofball politix drove you and the rest of your ilk OUT of CA?

and the 'only thing that matters' is BS like 'marriage rights', 'bathroom rights' for the gender confused, and allowing the 'some lives matter' crowd to 'express themselves' against 'white privilege' while trashing/burning and looting their own neighborhoods, shooting cops and innocent bystanders, including their own cousins!

its simply breathtaking, the flatout IN YER FACE HYPOCRISY SPEWING FORTH DAILY from nearly every lamerstream media outlet, who profits from the 'controversy' that they themselves creat - while all you phreakshow scammers twist yerselves into pretzel shapes to justify yer idiotlogical and purely biased BS!

un-phreakin believable...

i really hope that y'all will enjoy the coming nightmare meltdown of whats left of US 'society' that you've all been cheering for.

disgusting as it has been to watch the last 8 years.

[Thailandnotes]

Re: Trump to win?

Meanwhile we continue to see the same old tired Democrook rant complaining about voter ID laws as discriminatory.

The requirements to obtain a voter ID in NC were ridiculous. Most people would have to first obtain a certified copy of their birth certificate and still be possession of their original social security card. I needed both of these for other reasons. It took 3 months to get the birth certificate. I gave up on the replacing my social security card. (It required 2 2-hour trips.) The other documents you could use to obtain one were even more absurd. Fortunately, you don't need an ID to vote in NC thanks to a 4-4 tie of the Supreme Court. Here's a much bigger worry...

https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2...ing-technology

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

Where are you getting your information? From Democrat disinformation?

Here is the actual 2013 rules. All you need is any of two forms of ID.

https://www.ncdot.gov/download/dmv/D...er_id_list.pdf

There are a number of different acceptable records to get an ID. What's the problem with a certified copy of birth certificate; it's necessary to prevent fraud.

http://nc-democracy.org/downloads/Ne...aryAug2013.pdf

People are tired of cheating at the polls to throw elections. We need an ID for every phase of life and voting is no exception.

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

Santa Fe has been drinking the Hillary kool aid far too long. Woodsman is right! Check this from a progressive source:

"As a result, support for the resolution authorizing the Iraq War is not something that can simply be forgotten. There is no reason to be any more forgiving of Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, John Kerry, or Harry Reid than we are of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, or Condoleezza Rice."

http://www.truth-out.org/opinion/item/15100-democrats-share-the-blame-for-tragedy-of-iraq-war

And much more recently Hillary turned Libya into an ISIS stronghold:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/riley-...b_9571956.html

http://www.democracynow.org/2016/3/3...illary_clinton

[Milton Kuo]

Re: Trump to win?

There are a number of different acceptable records to get an ID. What;s the problem with a certified copy of birth certificate; it's necessary to prevent fraud.

Don't you get it? It's racist to require documentation that one is legally allowed to vote in the U.S.A.

Never mind the fact that most if not all countries south of the border require all voters to have voter registration cards with photograph identification on them. I'd also be very surprised if the ballots in Latin America were in a foreign language.

At the rate the U.S. is going, there could be a tremendous "business opportunity" for daring entrepreneurs in the coming future: Outsourced and offshored voting! Yes, hire all the people in China and India to cast votes in U.S. elections. After all, they're only doing "work that Americans won't do."

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

Right! I can't get on a plane without a photo ID and I can't leave the country without a photo ID passport!

[Thailandnotes]

Re: Trump to win?

Where are you getting your information? From Democrat disinformation?

Here is the actual 2013 rules. All you need is any of two forms of ID.

https://www.ncdot.gov/download/dmv/D...er_id_list.pdf

There are a number of different acceptable records to get an ID. What's the problem with a certified copy of birth certificate; it's necessary to prevent fraud.

http://nc-democracy.org/downloads/Ne...aryAug2013.pdf

People are tired of cheating at the polls to throw elections. We need an ID for every phase of life and voting is no exception.

That's the same list I was looking at. Reread it and imagine getting those things. In the past when applying for jobs overseas, I've had to produce many of them and quite a few take take months and bucks to obtain. Notice, student ID's aren't on the list. Numbers 5-12 are almost completely non-starters for most people.

Lawmakers' emails show the list was concocted based on what groups could or could not produce these documents. That is why the courts rule against them over and over.

[Thailandnotes]

Re: Trump to win?

Don't you get it? It's racist to require documentation that one is legally allowed to vote in the U.S.A.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...5bc_story.html

Yeah, it's from the Post, so obviously bogus.

[Thailandnotes]

Re: Trump to win?

People are tired of cheating at the polls to throw elections. We need an ID for every phase of life and voting is no exception.

Justin Levitt (Loyola Law School) finds 31 cases of voter impersonation in one billion votes cast between 2000 and 2016. Meanwhile....

"Claudell Boyd, a 62-year-old African-American man, moved to Wisconsin last year to escape the violence in Chicago. But because the first name on his birth certificate was spelled Clardell—the result of a mistake caused his mother’s cursive handwriting—the Wisconsin ID he was issued also says Clardell. He made two trips to the DMV to try to fix his Wisconsin ID, bringing his Illinois state ID, Social Security card, and marriage certificate with the proper spelling of his name, but the DMV said he had to go back to Illinois to correct his birth certificate. He was not offered a certificate for voting or enrolled in the IDPP. They said he either needed to change his name or his birth certificate."

The only voter fraud is voter fraud laws.

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Trump to win?

http://warontherocks.com/2016/09/can...sian-info-ops/

Former Secretary of State Colin Powell was curt to his former aide. Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump “is a national disgrace and an international pariah,” he wrote. In the leaked email, Powell, whose public persona is dignified and deeply appealing to both political parties, comes across as frustrated and upset by the 2016 presidential election. “I would rather not have to vote for her,” he wrote elsewhere, referring to Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton, describing her as having “a long track record, unbridled ambition, greedy, not transformational.”
It was the sort of juicy gossip political reporters just cannot ignore, and they predictably ran stories detailing who got burned and who got shade from the famously dignified and respectful Powell. Yet this email leak was the latest vanguard of what has become a sustained campaign of cyber operations by the Russian government, seemingly geared to manipulate the election. By aggressively hacking into email accounts and then selectively leaking documents meant to embarrass Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party, Moscow is combining two different strains of security threats in a way no one is sure how to counter. Combining a traditional form of cyber operation (the actual email hacks) with targeted releases to affect a political outcome (information warfare), the Russian government has innovated a type of cyberwarfare that is catching both the media and policymakers off guard.
The Powell emails have been linked to a hacking group called Fancy Bear, and they have been behind some of this year’s biggest cyber operations on the United States. It is the same group that hacked into the Democratic National Committee and released emails in an effort to embarrass Hillary Clinton and hurt her campaign for the presidency. They hacked into the World Anti-Doping Agency in an effort to embarrass Venus and Serena Williams over exemptions they claimed for taking prohibited drugs during the Olympics. They leaked emails by former Supreme Allied Commander-Europe, Gen. Philip Breedlove to undermine U.S. policies in Europe. And now they’ve been linked to the Powell email leaks as well.
As cybersecurity firm ThreatConnect has documented meticulously, Fancy Bear is at the heart of a network of websites backed by the Russian state, most likely a military intelligence unit, and is engaged in a sustained information operations campaign. One of those related websites, called DC Leaks, which has also been linked to Russian intelligence, recently released Michelle Obama’s passport alongside sensitive travel information for the White House. This is happening in an election year.
To put it as bluntly as possible: Russian intelligence is breaking into senior officials’ computers in an effort to manipulate a U.S. presidential election.
Yet, the response from the White House has been muted. One reason might be that the U.S. government is still unsure how to respond. I reached out to a half-dozen current and former officials responsible for both public diplomacy and cyber security. None of them expressed confidence in which agency should take the lead in responding to a massive effort to leak private correspondence heavily weighted toward one party in an election. There’s never been an attack on the process of an American election like this, and given its openly partisan nature (the leaks seem to primarily target Democrats) many officials are reluctant to be seen engaging in partisan activity by pushing back too hard against the Kremlin. Complicating matters is the casual attitude Donald Trump has taken toward the leaks, at one point flat-out asking Russia to do more hacking against Democrats (one of Trump’s foreign policy advisers just came under investigation for his alleged backdoor negotiations with Russian officials).
But it goes deeper than that too: This isn’t the sort of “cyberwar” we were promised. When scholars and pundits talk about this set of threats, they are thinking of things like Stuxnet: sophisticated programs meant to destroy or disrupt infrastructure. From former White House officials to journalists, even to academics trying to debunk the worst of the fear mongering, the overwhelming focus is on tangible targets: the power grid, banking institutions, military installations, even voting machines. The idea of targeting one party and selectively leaking embarrassing emails just wasn’t on anyone’s radar. In hindsight, maybe it should have been.

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Excellent article from War on the Rocks, the rest of it can be found at the link.

Measuring the impact of both foreign and domestic actors in "prison rules" politics is not easy.

But effects are much easier to measure as politics is a simple binary win/lose come election time.

While it's not likely each of these actions will "move the needle", in aggregate the potential to move the needle is real and it may not require a lot of movement to have a considerable effect.

Where once there were(still are) paid supporters/protestors...we now have Twitterbot armies.

The Signal to Noise ratio is shifting decidedly towards noise.

[lektrode]

Re: Trump to win?

Santa Fe has been drinking the Hillary kool aid far too long. Woodsman is right! ...

i now realize that.

altho it took me a while to understand where woody is coming from - and cant say that i agree with everything he's shared with us the past few years - but there's no doubt in my mind anymore that he's been consistently right on the money with most of his POV.

my observations of the 'i'm with her' crowd is they are either clueless/brainwashed by the media-entertainment industrial complex, indoctrinated via the .edu industrial complex, beholden to or EMPLOYED by the social-welfare industrial complex, bought-off and OWNED by the financial-fraud industrial complex, or merely just benefiting, if not EMPLOYED directly by the propaganda-driven demorat-infested political WAR PARTY industrial complex - if not all of the above - since its that crowd in particular who seem the most enamored by the obozo-hillbilly show.

and i wont even get into the .mil industrial complex, which that link from woody above, to the huffpo/sachs piece points out very clearly why the obama-hillbilly show is OWNED by them, as well, as it clearly benefits their major campaign contributors from financial fraud-industrial complex, so its a 'win+win' for all.

except for The Rest of US.

[Milton Kuo]

Re: Trump to win?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...5bc_story.html

Yeah, it's from the Post, so obviously bogus.

I am willing to give the Washington Post the benefit of the doubt in this case because it doesn't really matter. For the sake of argument, I will agree that North Carolina's legislators are a bunch of secret Klansmen who want to make it such that only white people can vote.

I fully agree that to require voter registration cards with photographs on them shortly before an election is a way of preventing certain people from voting. That's not fair and that should not be allowed.

But why is it that no state can ever, even during periods of time where there will be no elections for many months, require that people who want to vote register themselves for a vote ID with which it is much more difficult to perpetrate voting fraud? Why is it that only the U.S., which has a problem with parasitic illegal aliens, cannot require a form of registration card that nearly every other country has, including the countries from which these illegal aliens come from?

Why is it that I, a natural-born American citizen who speaks English such that no one can know my ethnicity just from hearing my voice, must present two forms of identification (two of: birth certificate, driver's license, U.S. passport) to prove that I am legally allowed to work in the U.S. when I join a company?

Is it because I unknowingly am being discriminated against and that the corporations I have worked for are trying to trip me up so they can hire someone else? If so, please provide me with good evidence and the contact information of a good lawyer.