Trump to win?

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

I wonder if this is when Trump decided to run.

Scott Adams makes an interesting point regarding the correspondent's roast of The Donald.

Now think back to 2011, at the Correspondent’s Dinner, in which President Obama mocked Donald Trump in front of the world – while Trump sat in the audience, stone-faced. The popular reporting was that Trump was humiliated by the event. But Master Persuaders don’t process humiliation the same way as others. They convert it to energy, the same way Dale Carnegie students learn to convert anxiousness to excitement. It’s a learned skill. And it is literally the opposite of having a thin skin. It only looks the same because of confirmation bias.

How do I know Trump has mastered the skill of converting humiliation into energy? The signs are all there. For example…

Trump has entered one high-risk business after another, guaranteeing that he would experience a large number of setbacks, failures, and humiliations. People don’t run toward humiliation unless they know they can convert that negative energy to fuel. When you see someone succeed across multiple unrelated fields, that’s often a sign of a Master Persuader who feeds on both success and failure. You are watching Trump do exactly that, right in front of your eyes. He has converted every “gaffe” into news coverage. He eats bad news and converts it into fuel.

Many of you have watched me do the same thing. You’ve watched as I jumped fields from corporate America to cartooning. Then I became an author of business-related books. I opened two restaurants that didn’t work out. I tried lots of stuff that failed miserably. Now I’m talking about the presidential election. What do all of those things have in common?

I risked public humiliation in each case.

And in each case, lots of people told me “Keep your day job.” On a typical day, dozens of strangers insult my body, my personality, my brain, my integrity, and lots more. Like Trump, I consume it as fuel. And it is a learned skill.

You might have noticed that both Trump and I are quick to attack anyone who attacks us. Observers tell me I shouldn’t do that, because it makes me appear thin-skinned. Observers tell Trump the same thing. But observers are missing one important thing: We use the critics to refuel.

[Polish_Silver]

Re: Trump to win?

Allegations that Clinton campaign is overcharging small donors:

http://observer.com/2016/09/exclusiv...oorest-donors/

If this article is correct, it speaks very poorly of Clinton. Could it be an oversight? The very people she is supposed to be protecting?

[Polish_Silver]

Re: Trump to win?

Was Romney the last Presidential candidate to show his tax forms and how did that work out for him. ;-)

You have a seasoned politician vs a brilliant business/ promotion guy and they both know that giving the voters too much to chew on results in unintended results.

A similar effect happens when selling a product, the more information you provide to a customer = higher chance the customer will not buy the product. Generally the customer or voter looking for more information is really seeking reasons to eliminate a product or candidate. I suspect if you polled Clinton supports or Trump supporters you would find zero interest in more information.

I suspect you are right about that.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

I suspect you are right about that.

The phrase "canary in a coal mine" comes to mind upon this data point.

Trump saw a 16.5 percentage-point increase in backing from African-American voters in a Los Angeles Times/University of Southern California tracking poll, up from 3.1 percent on Sept. 10 to 19.6 percent through Friday.

Meanwhile, the same poll showed Clinton’s support among that group plummeting from 90.4 percent on Sept. 10 to 71.4 percent.

Black voters are turning from Clinton to Trump in new poll

[Polish_Silver]

What is the plan ?

That's reasonable as always D.C. But makes no difference to me.

The primary goal is the destruction of the Democratic and Republican Parties and the upending of the political status quo. The secondary goal is ending the political viability of HRC. Trump is the instrument that can accomplish these. Nothing else matters at this point for me and all things follow from it. This year I am a political nihilist (as it seems is everyone else) and an anarchist in the mold of Gramsci.

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What I do not see is any plan for what comes next. Ending the status quo (e. g. Hussein) is a good idea only if you know what will come afterwards.

I think one of the root problems today is not what the parties are doing, or who is in charge, but the fact that we have only two parties, and the voters have no real choice. Virtually every country in Europe has a multi party, proportional representation voting system. Until the US get's that, I think it is more of the same.

[Thailandnotes]

Re: What is the plan ?

I don't think electing Trump will lead to the implosion of either party. I think electing Trump will be like electing Christie. Actually, I think a more plausible path to the upending of the political status quo would be the election of HRC.

[Chris Coles]

Re: What is the plan ?

What I do not see is any plan for what comes next. Ending the status quo (e. g. Hussein) is a good idea only if you know what will come afterwards.

I think one of the root problems today is not what the parties are doing, or who is in charge, but the fact that we have only two parties, and the voters have no real choice. Virtually every country in Europe has a multi party, proportional representation voting system. Until the US get's that, I think it is more of the same.

As we here in the UK discovered, the existing parties will do anything in their power to stop Proportional Representation. So even that choice is moot for many of us.

[Woodsman]

Re: What is the plan ?

What I do not see is any plan for what comes next. Ending the status quo (e. g. Hussein) is a good idea only if you know what will come afterwards.

I think one of the root problems today is not what the parties are doing, or who is in charge, but the fact that we have only two parties, and the voters have no real choice. Virtually every country in Europe has a multi party, proportional representation voting system. Until the US get's that, I think it is more of the same.

There are plans aplenty - you just proposed a good one - and more in the making, but let's neither expect or entertain any that come from the same folks that brought us here, agreed.
If, and it's still if until it isn't, The Donald makes it in, there's still the battles to be fought among the Democrats and GOP. The knives are being sharepned now, no doubt, and the recriminations and civil war should begin before sunrise the next day - presuming we do not face a Bush v. Gore situation in every congressional district in the entire country come midnight on Election Day.

I think that unless Trump manages a historic landslide (56% or more) I expect they'll all litigate. It's said Trump, HRC, and the DNC/RNC all have lawyers retained with writs on the ready. I don't think we will know who is POTUS-elect for some time into November. I just can't see a way HRC steps down gracefully if it does not go her way, least of all against the likes of the Trumpster. No way she gives this up - should Trump make it - without fighting to the last man. Without government, Bill and Hill have nothing to offer anyone and are exposed to every manner of legal peril. Too many favors owed and promised, too many enemies to keep at bay. Of course, millions are praying for such an outcome .

Much will be up in the air for some time, politically, and I believe it is that uncertainty that will open up the space for something new and hopefully better. Ever the optimist!

If you listen closely to Trump, you’ll hear a direct repudiation of the system of globalization and identity politics that has defined the world order since the Cold War. There are, in fact, six specific ideas that he has either blurted out or thinly buried in his rhetoric: (1) borders matter; (2) immigration policy matters; (3) national interests, not so-called universal interests, matter; (4) entrepreneurship matters; (5) decentralization matters; (6) PC speech—without which identity politics is inconceivable—must be repudiated.

These six ideas together point to an end to the unstable experiment with supra- and sub-national sovereignty that many of our elites have guided us toward, siren-like, since 1989. That is what the Trump campaign, ghastly though it may at times be, leads us toward: A future where states matter. A future where people are citizens, working together toward (bourgeois) improvement of their lot. His ideas do not yet fully cohere. They are a bit too much like mental dust that has yet to come together. But they can come together. And Trump is the first American candidate to bring some coherence to them, however raucous his formulations have been.

Update: The grand strategery is in play.

Why Hillary Lost: A Premature Obit: The blame game has already begun. Here’s where Democrats will point the finger if she loses.

On the high, crenelated ramparts of Castle Clinton, a chill breeze is stirring ― a faint but gnawing sense that the White Walkers are coming, wearing “MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN” baseball caps on their skinless noggins.

If Donald Trump does sack the fortress, no one who lost the battle will want to admit it was Hillary Clinton’s fault. It will have had nothing to do with, say, “transparency” or calling bearded villagers “deplorables” or the Iraq War vote or the simple fact that middle-of-the-road Clintonism ran out of gas as a public philosophy.

No, other individuals, groups and forces will have to be blamed. In fact, they already are, pre-emptively. If Trump wins, we’re all going to be too busy moving to Canada to read the postmortems (or write them), so we offer them to you now...

[Thailandnotes]

Re: What is the plan ?

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...mps-first-term

[Woodsman]

Re: What is the plan ?

http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/20...mps-first-term

Yeah, I know! It's gonna be yuuuuge!

It might be interesting to note that the author of this oh so serious piece of conjecture is Evan Osnos (born December 24, 1976). His father, Peter Osnos, is founder and editor-at-large of PublicAffairs, a publishing company. PublicAffairs is an imprint of the Perseus Books Group, an American book publishing company located in New York City.

Perseus Books Group is owned by Perseus Funds Group (holding company Perseus LLC), a $2 billion capital management firm. The board has featured many prominent former Clinton Administration officials and is something of a FIRE finishing school for Clinton appointees. It was once chaired by Clinton acolyte Richard Holbrooke.

Perseus chairman Lee Sachs was nominated by Bill Clinton and served as Assistant Secretary of the Treasury for Financial Markets. Another Perseus chairman was tapped to work on the Obama administration but had to back out due to his double dipping with Fannie Mae and Countrywide.

In other words, this long and very, very serious piece sounds to me like hatchet job ginned up on command by a Clinton dominated private equity firm with its snout so deep in the public trough it would do or say anything to defeat Trump and keep the gravy train flowing. But maybe it's just a coincidence?

[vt]

Re: What is the plan ?

http://www.redstate.com/brandon_mors...idence-reddit/

[Woodsman]

Re: What is the plan ?

I don't think electing Trump will lead to the implosion of either party. I think electing Trump will be like electing Christie. Actually, I think a more plausible path to the upending of the political status quo would be the election of HRC.

Could you flesh that out, Tnotes? How do you you think electing HRC upend the political status quo?

[shiny!]

Re: What is the plan ?

Could you flesh that out, Tnotes? How do you you think electing HRC upend the political status quo?

I know you directed your question to Thailandnotes, but I'll give you my virtual $0.02... (which is worth exactly what you paid for it)

If HRC is elected and the wheels fall off the world financial system under her watch, and it's as bad as we think it's going to be, the Democrats will get the blame. It'll be the end of the Democrat party, and thus the end of the two-party system as we know it.

[touchring]

Re: What is the plan ?

I know you directed your question to Thailandnotes, but I'll give you my virtual $0.02... (which is worth exactly what you paid for it)

If HRC is elected and the wheels fall off the world financial system under her watch, and it's as bad as we think it's going to be, the Democrats will get the blame. It'll be the end of the Democrat party, and thus the end of the two-party system as we know it.

It's hard to say whether electing Clinton will be the end of the Democrats, but it will be the end of a democratic USA as we know. If even a felon can stand for election, it's hard to imagine what will happen in the next election.

We can get some clues from elections happening in places like North Korea, Singapore and to a lesser extent Thailand. You can have elections, but all the candidates will have to be approved by the dictators.

Oh yes, there are elections in North Korea if anyone wonders - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_North_Korea
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_...election,_2014

[lektrode]

Re: What is the plan ?

Yeah, I know! It's gonna be yuuuuge!

It might be interesting to note that the author of this oh so serious piece of conjecture ...
.....
In other words, this long and very, very serious piece sounds to me like hatchet job ginned up on command by a Clinton dominated private equity firm with its snout so deep in the public trough it would do or say anything to defeat Trump and keep the gravy train flowing.

But maybe it's just a coincidence?

+1
uh huh... just merely ANOTHER COINCIDENCE?

gasp!!
say it aint so, woody.
and there i went thinking that everything surrounding the obozo+hill-billy show was purely
'the vast rightwing conspiracy' in action...

;)