Trump to win?

[Chris Coles]

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And Bernie Sanders urges everyone to support HRC.

“…we produced by far the most progressive platform in the history of the Democratic Party.”

Is it at all possible that Sanders is playing a hand where his cards show that he has already decided that HRC will be forced to step down at some point between now and November? In which case he has to bring the two sides; his own supporters and hers towards accepting his candidacy. Yes, a risky strategy; but without these moves, he will always remain unacceptable to her supporters. This way, he takes a temporary dip from his own supporters; but gains as showing himself as a friend to hers.

[Chris Coles]

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From now till November I'm just gonna sit back with a big bowl of popcorn and watch the fun...

With the greatest of respects Shiny, we are surely witnessing the collapse of democracy in the United States with all the associated implications for anything but "fun".

[Woodsman]

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With the greatest of respects Shiny, we are surely witnessing the collapse of democracy in the United States with all the associated implications for anything but "fun".

With all due respect cousin, get over your Britannic self.



For we are surely witnessing the reanimating of democracy in the United States after a long coma.

the people can not be all, & always, well informed. the part which is wrong [. . .] will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive. if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty.

we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it’s liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance?

let them take arms. the remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon & pacify them. what signify a few lives lost in a century or two? the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. it is it’s natural manure."

Thomas Jefferson. Paris, Nov. 13, 1787.

It's merely a metaphor now, but the spirit of resistance is what you saw yesterday in Philadelphia and is what will drive this until November.

[Chris Coles]

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With all due respect cousin, get over your Britannic self.



For we are surely witnessing the reanimating of democracy in the United States after a long coma.



It's merely a metaphor now, but the spirit of resistance is what you saw yesterday in Philadelphia and is what will drive this until November.

Yes, it is true we can look at this from another viewpoint; but the US is not the only nation so confounded by the disrespectful nature of modern politics and there are others constantly arguing for violent action. My deep fear is that if violence becomes the norm; then we do not have a map of the road ahead. One slip and the "game" could get to be very difficult to bring to a halt. Pandora's Box comes to mind.

[jk]

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Those Russians are all running dog capitalists, spreading the wealth better than any bolshie ever could!

And Comrade Bill gets a piece, so to speak.
.

guess either way we don't have to worry about a serious new cold war with russia. maybe a punch and judy show, maybe not even that.

now, how about connections with CHINA?

[shiny!]

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With the greatest of respects Shiny, we are surely witnessing the collapse of democracy in the United States with all the associated implications for anything but "fun".

"I laugh to keep from crying" -Abraham Lincoln

American politics has become the most ludicrus circus of corruption, propaganda and stagecraft. Yesterday was the first day in decades that "reality" smashed its way in, for a few hours at least. It was entertaining. Even more entertaining was watching the unbiased reporters and pundits from PBS falling all over themselves to praise every syllable of every speech. Quite a contrast to their commentary about the Republican convention. You might want me to sob and beat my chest but I prefer to laugh.

Sanders' speech was the polar opposite of Ted Cruz. He saved her bacon. After what the DNC did to him he owed them nothing, but he responded with grace. He owns her now, and possibly owns the Democrat party itself. They are scared to death that he will tell his supporters to walk. If Lady MacBeth falls before the election (and FWIW Wikileaks says she will) he will be the natural choice for her replacement.

I still say this is fun.

[lektrode]

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....Even more entertaining was watching the unbiased reporters and pundits from PBS falling all over themselves to praise every syllable of every speech. Quite a contrast to their commentary about the Republican convention. ...
...

+1
exactly!

Sanders' speech was the polar opposite of Ted Cruz. He saved her bacon. After what the DNC did to him he owed them nothing, but he responded with grace. He owns her now, and possibly owns the Democrat party itself. They are scared to death that he will tell his supporters to walk. If Lady MacBeth falls before the election (and FWIW Wikileaks says she will) he will be the natural choice for her replacement.

I still say this is fun.

+2 !
altho my take on bernie is that he's deluding himself and his followers.

why?
he made a big deal out of their 'accomplishments' ?
and them + a-buck-3-80 will get ya a cup of coffee.

he SOLD OUT and will have NO EFFECT on hitlery's campaign

but funny?
you betcha!

Presented with no comment... (ahead of today's roll-call vote)

Source: Townhall.com

and even funnier?

Why Hillary Is Nervous: "More Leaks May Be Coming"

Hillary's communication director seemingly just admitted that they're frantically spinning the Russian hacking narrative to prepare the public for the next round of email leaks.

• Jul 26, 2016 2:00 PM

[lektrode]

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and funnier still - depite the best and increasingly desperate efforts of the now glaringly OBVIOUS bias shown by the LAMERSTREAM + BOUGHT-OFF MEDIA it would appear that they're losing control of their message and BS narratives (at this rate, the DNC, biden&co will be extending the stage hook and yankin her out)

"I'm (Not) With Her"

Recent Gallup polling data paints a pretty dire picture for Hillary...

• Jul 26, 2016 3:25 PM

[GRG55]

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Crude as it is, hard to imagine Trump's 'ban Muslims' theme isn't gaining more traction.


Isil knifemen who 'slit 84-year-old priest's throat' and took nuns hostage shot dead as second victim fights for life


Normandy church attacker was on watch list and wore electronic tag, French officials say

[Woodsman]

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From Rural Lupenbilly to Ivy League Chin Puller in One Generation; J.D. Vance and the Politics of Poor Whites

"I wrote last week about the new nonfiction book Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and a Culture in Crisis by J.D. Vance, the Yale Law School graduate who grew up in the poverty and chaos of an Appalachian clan. The book is an American classic, an extraordinary testimony to the brokenness of the white working class, but also its strengths. It’s one of the best books I’ve ever read. With the possible exception of Yuval Levin’s The Fractured Republic, for Americans who care about politics and the future of our country, Hillbilly Elegy is the most important book of 2016. You cannot understand what’s happening now without first reading J.D. Vance. His book does for poor white people what Ta-Nehisi Coates’s book did for poor black people: give them voice and presence in the public square.

This interview I just did with Vance in two parts (the final question I asked after Trump’s convention speech) shows why.

RD: A friend who moved to West Virginia a couple of years ago tells me that she’s never seen poverty and hopelessness like what’s common there. And she says you can drive through the poorest parts of the state, and see nothing but TRUMP signs. Reading “Hillbilly Elegy” tells me why. Explain it to people who haven’t yet read your book.

J.D. VANCE: The simple answer is that these people–my people–are really struggling, and there hasn’t been a single political candidate who speaks to those struggles in a long time. Donald Trump at least tries.

What many don’t understand is how truly desperate these places are, and we’re not talking about small enclaves or a few towns–we’re talking about multiple states where a significant chunk of the white working class struggles to get by. Heroin addiction is rampant. In my medium-sized Ohio county last year, deaths from drug addiction outnumbered deaths from natural causes. The average kid will live in multiple homes over the course of her life, experience a constant cycle of growing close to a “stepdad” only to see him walk out on the family, know multiple drug users personally, maybe live in a foster home for a bit (or at least in the home of an unofficial foster like an aunt or grandparent), watch friends and family get arrested, and on and on. And on top of that is the economic struggle, from the factories shuttering their doors to the Main Streets with nothing but cash-for-gold stores and pawn shops.

The two political parties have offered essentially nothing to these people for a few decades. From the Left, they get some smug condescension, an exasperation that the white working class votes against their economic interests because of social issues, a la Thomas Frank (more on that below). Maybe they get a few handouts, but many don’t want handouts to begin with.

From the Right, they’ve gotten the basic Republican policy platform of tax cuts, free trade, deregulation, and paeans to the noble businessman and economic growth. Whatever the merits of better tax policy and growth (and I believe there are many), the simple fact is that these policies have done little to address a very real social crisis. More importantly, these policies are culturally tone deaf: nobody from southern Ohio wants to hear about the nobility of the factory owner who just fired their brother.

Trump’s candidacy is music to their ears. He criticizes the factories shipping jobs overseas. His apocalyptic tone matches their lived experiences on the ground. He seems to love to annoy the elites, which is something a lot of people wish they could do but can’t because they lack a platform.

The last point I’ll make about Trump is this: these people, his voters, are proud. A big chunk of the white working class has deep roots in Appalachia, and the Scots-Irish honor culture is alive and well. We were taught to raise our fists to anyone who insulted our mother. I probably got in a half dozen fights when I was six years old. Unsurprisingly, southern, rural whites enlist in the military at a disproportionate rate. Can you imagine the humiliation these people feel at the successive failures of Bush/Obama foreign policy? My military service is the thing I’m most proud of, but when I think of everything happening in the Middle East, I can’t help but tell myself: I wish we would have achieved some sort of lasting victory. No one touched that subject before Trump, especially not in the Republican Party... "

http://www.theamericanconservative.c...s-poor-whites/

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[santafe2]

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The last point I’ll make about Trump is this: these people, his voters, are proud. A big chunk of the white working class has deep roots in Appalachia, and the Scots-Irish honor culture is alive and well. We were taught to raise our fists to anyone who insulted our mother. I probably got in a half dozen fights when I was six years old. Unsurprisingly, southern, rural whites enlist in the military at a disproportionate rate. Can you imagine the humiliation these people feel at the successive failures of Bush/Obama foreign policy? My military service is the thing I’m most proud of, but when I think of everything happening in the Middle East, I can’t help but tell myself: I wish we would have achieved some sort of lasting victory. No one touched that subject before Trump, especially not in the Republican Party... "

Archie Bunker in a coal mine. This idiot thinks we should have achieved 'some sort of lasting victory' [in the Middle East]. OK, you win. Vote for Trump. This point of view is so dumb I can only wish him and his hero DT an honorable Darwin award.

[Milton Kuo]

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Archie Bunker in a coal mine. This idiot thinks we should have achieved 'some sort of lasting victory' [in the Middle East]. OK, you win. Vote for Trump. This point of view is so dumb I can only wish him and his hero DT an honorable Darwin award.

The author never stated what a lasting victory in the Middle East is. He could have very well meant "not ever poking a stick at the hornets' nest in the first place."

It was entirely obvious that the wars in the Middle East could never be won consider the objectives. Go in guns a-blazin'; make a big, fat mess of things; take out the ruler whom we no longer like; install a new ruler; and the country transforms itself into a semi-democratic state that hews to American policies.

Instead, the U.S. sends young men off to risk their lives in foreign lands trying to accomplish the impossible: nation-building (after nation destruction) in places that don't want it.

[Woodsman]

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Archie Bunker in a coal mine. This idiot thinks we should have achieved 'some sort of lasting victory' [in the Middle East]. OK, you win. Vote for Trump. This point of view is so dumb I can only wish him and his hero DT an honorable Darwin award.

Ok, so some people can't connect with the pain of a soldier facing loss. Or put someone's lived experience in context with the actualities of the day; even if it might help bring about understanding. Still, I'm a little startled to see things so plainly.

The point is not that a Marine combat veteran reflexively longs ( "I can’t help but tell myself: I wish...") for a victory he admits was impossible. The point, in the context of making sense of Trump and why poor white people support him - indeed, the point of the entire article and why I posted it in a thread entitled "Trump to Win" - is for us to try to see it from the other fellow's point of view.

You see where the "dumb" hillbilly says right before he makes his wish?

Unsurprisingly, southern, rural whites enlist in the military at a disproportionate rate. Can you imagine the humiliation these people feel at the successive failures of Bush/Obama foreign policy?

That's all he asks you to do. Imagine. You don't need to accept or adopt anyone's premises about the wars, and besides why focus on a tiny aside with no direct relevance to the author's thesis?

But then I see it happening in real time - you evidencing precisely the same pattern of behavior and expression the author asserts is what fuels Trump:

Archie Bunker in a coal mine. This idiot...so dumb ...Darwin award.

You make the author's point so elegantly, SF2. Normally, I'd grab my gut and laugh but now I don't think it's so funny anymore.

[DSpencer]

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Archie Bunker in a coal mine. This idiot thinks we should have achieved 'some sort of lasting victory' [in the Middle East]. OK, you win. Vote for Trump. This point of view is so dumb I can only wish him and his hero DT an honorable Darwin award.

J.D. Vance is a close personal friend of mine. He officiated my wedding. Everything I know about him leads me to believe he is a genuinely good person. After reading a couple paragraphs from an interview, you pick out one sentence and publicly declare that based on it you wish that both my friend and Donald Trump would die humiliating deaths brought about by their own stupidity.

I urge you to take some time and reflect on who you want to be as a person. Trump is often reviled for his boorish, superficial and extremist views. If you spewed your views from a podium instead of on a obscure internet forum, perhaps people would see you in the same light.

Also consider that you are just wrong about Donald Trump being his "hero":

Trump is cultural heroin. He makes some feel better for a bit. But he cannot fix what ails them, and one day they’ll realize it.

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/07/opioid-of-the-masses/489911/