Trump to win?

[GRG55]

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btw, santafe, i think you are too sanguine in dismissing hillary's email problem. and, unlike woody, although i despise hrc i'm not ready to vote for trump, if only because of the supreme court.

however, in following the news about the e-mails a bit [i am not fascinated by it] i conclude that there's a significant issue there: it's clear she set up her system to keep control of her communications and hide it from foi requests and congressional fishing expeditions. it's only the benghazi hearings, bizarre and endless and politically twisted as they have been, that led to the uncovering of her private server and the machinations it represents. otherwise it's likely she would have gotten away with hiding her communications for a good long time.

bernie's "i'm sick and tired of your damn emails" is not really an adequate response. nor is "everybody did it." "move along, there's nothing to see here" is what it boils down to.

i agree with your analysis that the most devastating blow to the democrats would be the fbi report recommending indictment around the time of or following the democratic convention, followed by dithering by the administration. i disagree with your analysis that the email server is just a phony issue.

it may be overblown, i'm not in a position to judge. but whether overblown in the press, it may involve felonies. we know that immunity has been given to 1 or 2 staffers involved in the setup and maintenance of the system. that is only done to get information to indict higher ups.

i'm not sure that hillary herself and her supporters are really as sanguine as they want to appear. i'm not sure if they believe their own b.s., but i would suspect that at least some of them, under those cheery exteriors, are really worried about the legal issues here. if they aren't, imo they should be.

I can just see it coming...another Clinton Administration distracted by impeachment proceedings. Only these ones, if they occur, won't be nearly as entertaining (titillating?) as the last go around. Then again, if Hillary makes the mistake of wearing a blue dress in the Oval Office, the late show hosts will have a field day (has anybody actually ever seen her in a dress?)

[Woodsman]

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In 2003 or 2004, I was doing work related to the Common Access Card being used/evaluated by the U.S. Navy and U.S. Army. They were quite far along in their deployment of a secure e-mail system (e-mail messages could be signed and encrypted using an RSA key stored on a smart card, which is what the Common Access Card is). I find it very difficult to believe that four or five years later, the Secretary of State, a very high-ranking position, could not ask for and get a government-issued, government-configured notebook computer that uses a government-run IT infrastructure with strong encryption technology. The cost to deploy such a thing for a group of people is negligible.

You find it very difficult to believe that government IT systems in 2001 were a mishmash, with some organizations far ahead of the curve and others barely making it with legacy systems? I can't count the number of days I struggled with arcane legacy systems for my time in government. Now I'm told the opposite is true; they're drowning is systems, overwhelmed by the number of them, constantly developing new ones and dropping existing ones in mid-stream. In a way, things were more efficient in the Powell days.

I understand your incredulity, Milton. But brother it's true.

[Milton Kuo]

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You find it very difficult to believe that government IT systems in 2001 were a mishmash, with some organizations far ahead of the curve and others barely making it with legacy systems? I can't count the number of days I struggled with arcane legacy systems for my time in government. Now I'm told the opposite is true; they're drowning is systems, overwhelmed by the number of them, constantly developing new ones and dropping existing ones in mid-stream. In a way, things were more efficient in the Powell days.

I understand your incredulity, Milton. But brother it's true.

It's not that I don't believe that government IT systems can be far, far behind the times or badly designed. I'm saying that I find it very difficult to believe that, as of 2009, the Secretary of State could not demand--and quickly and easily get--the U.S. government to set up a secure e-mail server that she and her staff could use to communicate. I'd be shocked if the U.S. military did not complete its rollout of CACs and an up-to-date e-mail system by the time Clinton was appointed Secretary of State. She could have then piggybacked on what had already done in the DoD.

I abhor Hillary Clinton because it is my belief that she is one of the most dishonest people in recent memory to run for POTUS. It seems the last person so corrupted, discounting Bill Clinton, is Lyndon Johnson or Richard Nixon. It enrages and saddens me that she, at the very doorstep to the highest office in the land, seemingly cannot do anything by the rules as this e-mail incident seems to show.

[vt]

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http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...-campaign.html

[shiny!]

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It's not that I don't believe that government IT systems can be far, far behind the times or badly designed. I'm saying that I find it very difficult to believe that, as of 2009, the Secretary of State could not demand--and quickly and easily get--the U.S. government to set up a secure e-mail server that she and her staff could use to communicate. I'd be shocked if the U.S. military did not complete its rollout of CACs and an up-to-date e-mail system by the time Clinton was appointed Secretary of State. She could have then piggybacked on what had already done in the DoD.

I abhor Hillary Clinton because it is my belief that she is one of the most dishonest people in recent memory to run for POTUS. It seems the last person so corrupted, discounting Bill Clinton, is Lyndon Johnson or Richard Nixon. It enrages and saddens me that she, at the very doorstep to the highest office in the land, seemingly cannot do anything by the rules as this e-mail incident seems to show.

It's because she's a psychopath. Typically, psychopaths believe themselves to be above rules and laws and also fail to forsee themselves getting caught.

[jk]

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getting back to trump, this past weekend one of the panelists on "wait, wait don't tell me" said he felt sorry for lincoln. paula poundstone chimed in to say SHE felt sorry for nixon!

[Chris Coles]

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It's not that I don't believe that government IT systems can be far, far behind the times or badly designed. I'm saying that I find it very difficult to believe that, as of 2009, the Secretary of State could not demand--and quickly and easily get--the U.S. government to set up a secure e-mail server that she and her staff could use to communicate. I'd be shocked if the U.S. military did not complete its rollout of CACs and an up-to-date e-mail system by the time Clinton was appointed Secretary of State. She could have then piggybacked on what had already done in the DoD.

I abhor Hillary Clinton because it is my belief that she is one of the most dishonest people in recent memory to run for POTUS. It seems the last person so corrupted, discounting Bill Clinton, is Lyndon Johnson or Richard Nixon. It enrages and saddens me that she, at the very doorstep to the highest office in the land, seemingly cannot do anything by the rules as this e-mail incident seems to show.

One would have thought that whomever was "In Charge" of communications, and knowing the importance of acting within the legalities; would have sat her down and run through the matter so that a sound system was in place; from both points of view. The question that keeps coming to mind is; did that someone finding themselves faced with a refusal; take the line of wanting/receiving a Quid Pro Quo; i.e. do your career a big favour and look the other way?

It takes two to tango!

[Woodsman]

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One would have thought that whomever was "In Charge" of communications, and knowing the importance of acting within the legalities; would have sat her down and run through the matter...

It's too much, Chris. There's no career civil servant at State who would be in a position to have such a sit down, supergrade, Senior Executive Service or otherwise.

I can't imagine the most senior career foreign service or management officers having the stones to put themselves within a hundred miles of that scenario. The idea that a foreign service IT specialist - no matter what grade or time in service - would even contemplate such a thing simply isn't in the realm of possible outside of a theater or television studio. I could see Michael J. Fox playing the IT guy with Glen Close as Hillary.

But in the real world it just wouldn't happen; not under Hillary Clinton or Elihu Root for that matter.

[LazyBoy]

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NJ superdelegate supporting Bernie is a superdelegate no longer.

http://www.bluejersey.com/2016/06/ku...-dnc-member-2/

[santafe2]

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NJ superdelegate supporting Bernie is a superdelegate no longer.

http://www.bluejersey.com/2016/06/ku...-dnc-member-2/

New Jersey politics is not subtle. Chop off the head so the rest of the delegation gets in line. Looks like the ramp to Fort Lee is again closed....

[Chris Coles]

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It's too much, Chris. There's no career civil servant at State who would be in a position to have such a sit down, supergrade, Senior Executive Service or otherwise.

I can't imagine the most senior career foreign service or management officers having the stones to put themselves within a hundred miles of that scenario. The idea that a foreign service IT specialist - no matter what grade or time in service - would even contemplate such a thing simply isn't in the realm of possible outside of a theater or television studio. I could see Michael J. Fox playing the IT guy with Glen Close as Hillary.

But in the real world it just wouldn't happen; not under Hillary Clinton or Elihu Root for that matter.

Then in which case we can see why the USA has lost it's focus and it's credibility. Anyone successfully leading a team forward must keep their door open to allow anyone within the team to walk in and express their point of view. If you now have people so divided into "Elite" and otherwise and no encouragement for open government; alongside a professional team free to advise; then your nation is lost.

That leads to another aspect; the report made by a retired senior individual that told us there were people within the State Department that wanted to go to war against Russia to settle the matter once and for all. So on the one hand you have an "Elite" that has no regard for their supporting team; while on the other; perhaps; an inner group, totally disregarded by their leadership, running around as loose cannons doing whatever they wish; regardless of the long term negative consequences for your nation.

So the very real challenge for the next POTUS is to clear out the rubbish and start over with a clear intention to run the White House as a combined team effort.

From what I am reading here on this thread, (as a British citizen), neither the GOP nor the Democrats have any intention of allowing such to occur. God help you all!

[Chris Coles]

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NJ superdelegate supporting Bernie is a superdelegate no longer.

http://www.bluejersey.com/2016/06/ku...-dnc-member-2/

Classic demonstration of medieval feudalism.

[lektrode]

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sorry, ms shiny!
couldnt help mesself..

Presented with no comment... (well... not much, anyway ;)

Artist's Impression Of The Crooked House Of Clinton





Source: Ben Garrison

and...
Obama Administration Launches Probe Into Trump Hotel Workers' Wages

now, this 'couldnt possibly be political' - could it??.. nah....
just like lois lerner and the irs targeting tea party types wasnt.

JUST IMAGINE for a sec if it was a Repub prez who pulled this s__t -
just how much HOWLING we'd be hearing from the LAMERSTREAM MEDIA!

[santafe2]

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What's up with the Trump campaign? Really...$1.3MM in campaign funds at the end of May? This is a reality show with no sponsors...and now dissed by another billionaire calling him out as a two comma loser.

[Woodsman]

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...and now dissed by another billionaire calling him out as a two comma loser.

High school never ends