Trump to win?

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

Thanks Shiny,

I'm very familiar of the history of the Libertarians, who have been around for decades. Unfortunately they have no candidates that can get any traction.

It usually takes a self funded, well known person like Trump and Perot; or a renegade within a party like Gene Mccarthy, John Anderson, and now Bernie.

Trump may have been able to run as an independent but he took advantage of the dysfunction with the GOP.

[santafe2]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

Elizabeth Warren takes down Trump.

[jk]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

Elizabeth Warren takes down Trump.

the problem with warren's critique [and it also being used in pro-hillary ads] is that hoping for a bubble to pop doesn't make you RESPONSIBLE for that bubble, or for the losses. the people who CAUSED and PROFITTED from the bubble, included selling knowlingly pos cdo's to their own customers, were those like goldman sachs, the people who have hillary on the payroll.

[vt]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

Plus both parties caused the bubble. The GOP with Wall street and the Democrats with Fannie/Freddie and the real estate industry. You can't have FIRE without the RE.

Fannie and Freddie with 60 to 1 leverage? What insanity let them get away with that?

At the center of the action Jamie Gorelick:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...bama-shortlist

http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...jamie_gor.html

And 7 plus years of a Democrat DOJ we have no Wall Street criminals punished, as Lextrode has noted.

[lektrode]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

Plus both parties caused the bubble. The GOP with Wall street and the Democrats with Fannie/Freddie and the real estate industry. You can't have FIRE without the RE.

Fannie and Freddie with 60 to 1 leverage? What insanity let them get away with that?

At the center of the action Jamie Gorelick:

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/...bama-shortlist

http://www.americanthinker.com/artic...jamie_gor.html

And 7 plus years of a Democrat DOJ we have no Wall Street criminals punished, as Lextrode has noted.

EXACTLY!!!

warren just shot herself in the foot.... (and shows EXACTLY what side of the fence she's straddling)

"... the rest of us were horrified..." ? (when trump was rooting for a RE crash)



where the f__k was she when barney the assbanger from taxachussettes was cheering ON the bubble
WITH HIS MOST FAMOUS PHRASE:

Rep. Frank: I do think I do not want the same kind of focus on safety and soundness that we have in OCC [Office of the Comptroller of the Currency] and OTS [Office of Thrift Supervision]. I want to roll the dice a little bit more in this situation towards subsidized housing. . .

Hey, Barney Frank: The Government Did Cause the Housing Crisis

and - quite frankly, NO MATTER what bullshit she spouts about 'racial justice' or 'equality' - WE ARE IN THIS FIGHT TO WIN

and if 'her side' wins WE, The People - as in: the rest of us

LOSE

and the upcoming slugfest - in california no less - is looking juicier and juicier by the day:

Trump's Decision To Debate Sanders In California Is His Most Genius Move Yet


after hitlery rejects debating sanders???

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA !!!!!

[santafe2]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

the problem with warren's critique [and it also being used in pro-hillary ads] is that hoping for a bubble to pop doesn't make you RESPONSIBLE for that bubble, or for the losses. the people who CAUSED and PROFITTED from the bubble, included selling knowlingly pos cdo's to their own customers, were those like goldman sachs, the people who have hillary on the payroll.

Warren will continue to be a conscience for the Democratic Party. She will have zero effect on a Republican president. I'm choosing between a smart standard issue politician and a trumpster fire. Some smart people on iTulip have decided to side with iTulip's crayon clan, I obviously still think the system can work again for most people and I'd prefer we didn't hit reset.

[jk]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

Warren will continue to be a conscience for the Democratic Party. She will have zero effect on a Republican president. I'm choosing between a smart standard issue politician and a trumpster fire. Some smart people on iTulip have decided to side with iTulip's crayon clan, I obviously still think the system can work again for most people and I'd prefer we didn't hit reset.

frankly trump intrigues me, but he also scares me. i despise hillary. if i had the power to determine the winner, i'd probably hold my nose and pick hillary. for good or for bad, i do not have that power, not even a little. i live in a strongly democratic state.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

Provisional crayon clanner here.

The banks must be restrained and the financial system reformed, with balance restored to the economy, before there can be any sustainable recovery. Only Sanders is talking about that and only Sanders would do anything about it.

Hillary is the bought and paid stooge of Goldman and nothing of that kind will happen under her administration. She is the candidate from Goldman Sachs and serves at their whim. Sure, Trump remains a wild card, only getting somewhat less wild now that the GOP elites have rolled over and showed him their pale, distended bellies (and the Speaker's six-pack). Nevertheless, a vote for him is a gamble that out of the chaos a new order may be in the making. As I color outside the lines (again) I realize the choice might have bad outcomes, but I can live with that.

I guess it comes down to what you think the status quo is worth to you. If you think you can still extract a profit from it, then you're likely to defend the present even its debased state. There is no better defender of the status quo than Hillary Clinton and if more of the same is what you want, then it makes perfect sense to give her all the support you can.

The Crayon Clan (at least it's not yet a "Klan") seem willing to experience some short run discomfort as they align with Sanders or Trump supporters in their desire to see the status quo obliterated. The very smartest don't want to lift a finger to alter course, but still are willing to risk war with Russia in Eastern Europe as the price for maintaining the status quo and muddling along just a while longer. The very smartest people watch as their countrymen kill themselves en mass rather than endure the status quo.

"GO STATUS QUO", "MORE OF THE SAME!" or "I'm With Her! (and I'M SCARED)" are tough slogans to rally around but they're great news for Trump, so long as the Democratic Party would rather preserve its perquisites than win with Bernie. In supporting Hillary they have thrown it to Trump. That might have not been so clear in January, but it will be perfectly clear on the morning after the California primary.

So you know what my bumper sticker will be? "Don't blame me, I voted for Bernie."

[GRG55]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

Provisional crayon clanner here.

The banks must be restrained and the financial system reformed, with balance restored to the economy, before there can be any sustainable recovery. Only Sanders is talking about that and only Sanders would do anything about it.

Hillary is the bought and paid stooge of Goldman and nothing of that kind will happen under her administration. She is the candidate from Goldman Sachs and serves at their whim. Sure, Trump remains a wild card, only getting somewhat less wild now that the GOP elites have rolled over and showed him their pale, distended bellies (and the Speaker's six-pack). Nevertheless, a vote for him is a gamble that out of the chaos a new order may be in the making. As I color outside the lines (again) I realize the choice might have bad outcomes, but I can live with that.

I guess it comes down to what you think the status quo is worth to you. If you think you can still extract a profit from it, then you're likely to defend the present even its debased state. There is no better defender of the status quo than Hillary Clinton and if more of the same is what you want, then it makes perfect sense to give her all the support you can.

The Crayon Clan (at least it's not yet a "Klan") seem willing to experience some short run discomfort as they align with Sanders or Trump supporters in their desire to see the status quo obliterated. The very smartest don't want to lift a finger to alter course, but still are willing to risk war with Russia in Eastern Europe as the price for maintaining the status quo and muddling along just a while longer. The very smartest people watch as their countrymen kill themselves en mass rather than endure the status quo.

"GO STATUS QUO", "MORE OF THE SAME!" or "I'm With Her! (and I'M SCARED)" are tough slogans to rally around but they're great news for Trump, so long as the Democratic Party would rather preserve its perquisites than win with Bernie. In supporting Hillary they have thrown it to Trump. That might have not been so clear in January, but it will be perfectly clear on the morning after the California primary.

So you know what my bumper sticker will be? "Don't blame me, I voted for Bernie."

Speaking strictly as an outside observer, watching across the border from the cold, frozen, white (landscape, not skin, colour) North, this is exactly how it seems from this vantage. Isn't Trump's sobriquet for Clinton, "Crooked Hillary", playing to the very sentiment that she is the status quo candidate trying to maintain a corrupt system (from which she has benefited handsomely)?

Perhaps the most salient thing I've read recently is that ever increasing numbers of US citizens are giving up on the "Hope" part of the equation and now just want a Change. And if the "new Change", whatever it turns out to be, doesn't work out? Could be there will be demands in 2020 for even bigger and more dramatic Change.

[jk]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

as with the economy, which is not unrelated, watching the political system is like watching a slow motion video of a terrible accident.

[lektrode]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

...

The banks must be restrained and the financial system reformed, with balance restored to the economy, before there can be any sustainable recovery. Only Sanders is talking about that and only Sanders would do anything about it.

Hillary is the bought and paid stooge of Goldman and nothing of that kind will happen under her administration. She is the candidate from Goldman Sachs and serves at their whim. ...
...
The very smartest don't want to lift a finger to alter course, but still are willing to risk war with Russia in Eastern Europe as the price for maintaining the status quo and muddling along just a while longer. The very smartest people watch as their countrymen kill themselves en mass rather than endure the status quo.

"GO STATUS QUO", "MORE OF THE SAME!" or "I'm With Her! (and I'M SCARED)" are tough slogans to rally around but they're great news for Trump, so long as the Democratic Party would rather preserve its perquisites than win with Bernie. In supporting Hillary they have thrown it to Trump. That might have not been so clear in January, but it will be perfectly clear on the morning after the California primary.

So you know what my bumper sticker will be? "Don't blame me, I voted for Bernie."

heh - the best part of the trumpster phenom?

is watching the 'defenders' - i call em APOLOGISTS - of the 'status quo' SQUIRM at the very mention of the donald prevailing.

since the 'status quo' (esp since 2008) is whats killing us - and hitlery's pals, the maggots that are defending it - are much worse than ANYTHING that trump (or osama bin laden for that matter) could EVER do to The Rest of US.

now.. where'd i put my crayons...

[vt]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

Sanders?!?

LEÓN KRAUZE, UNIVISION: I am sure that you know about this topic: various leftist governments, especially the populists, are in serious trouble in Latin America. The socialist model in Venezuela has the country near collapse. Argentina, also Brazil, how do you explain that failure?

"BERNIE SANDERS, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE: You are asking me questions…

LEÓN KRAUZE, UNIVISION: I am sure you’re interested in that.

BERNIE SANDERS, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE: I am very interested, but right now I’m running for President of the United States.

LEÓN KRAUZE, UNIVISION: So you don’t have an opinion about the crisis in Venezuela?

BERNIE SANDERS, DEMOCRATIC CANDIDATE: Of course I have an opinion, but as I said, I’m focused on my campaign."

Neither Sanders or any of the FIRE elites on the right or left have any idea what to do.

[dcarrigg]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

frankly trump intrigues me, but he also scares me. i despise hillary. if i had the power to determine the winner, i'd probably hold my nose and pick hillary. for good or for bad, i do not have that power, not even a little. i live in a strongly democratic state.

Same boat. Trump's almost onto something. And he may yet win. He has a chance to re-defeine the Republican Party somewhat. He got ahold of the trade thing, and that was pretty good. But then he had to throw in the Protestant Supremacy and the huge tax cuts for big companies and billionaires.

If you listened to very early Trump, it did sound like at least he wasn't going to throw in the huge tax cuts for the richest among us. Then his pan came out and whoops, he did. Just like every other Republican. Great. More money for Bill Gates and Warren Buffet. That's what was wrong with America...the billionaires just didn't have enough money and power.

But what's really bad is the Protestant Supremacy thing. If you think people aren't standing around after church drinking coffee and eating munchkins and talking about how it's 11 million Catholics he's talking about rounding up and forcing out and not 11 million Protestants, think again. Between that and the Muslim ban, the prospects are looking dark for the Non-WASPs among us. Of course, ask and they'll say, "I know nothing." They always say they know nothing...

If I had to place bets on it right now, I'd say he gets the lowest share of the Catholic vote for any Republican presidential candidate since 1964. Doesn't mean he can't win. But he'll need the slack to come from somewhere or spectacular white protestant turnout the likes of which would be truly historic.

[jk]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

But what's really bad is the Protestant Supremacy thing. If you think people aren't standing around after church drinking coffee and eating munchkins and talking about how it's 11 million Catholics he's talking about rounding up and forcing out and not 11 million Protestants, think again.

how do you know this? is there any data available? i'd like to believe you're right, but....


Why are Catholics supporting Trump? - catholic.org



Catholics, Evangelicals Flocking to Trump - newsmax - "...A full 50 percent of Catholics in the Sunshine State voted for Trump, while only 33 percent voted for the Catholic, Sen. Marco Rubio. etc"

Why are Catholics Voting for Trump? - catholic world report. " [quoting ANOTHER article- "But there’s more. Trump isn’t simply dominating among Republican Catholics; he’s also drawing Catholic support from Democrats. According to Pew’s 2014 U.S. Religious Landscape Study, 37 percent of American Catholics are (or lean) Republican, while 44 percent are (or lean) Democrat. Yet pollster John Zogby noted earlier this year that, in Trump versus Clinton polling, “Trump is ahead among Catholics—a group that Democrats have won every election since 1992.”

[santafe2]

Re: Trump is a "small insecure money-grubber"

Provisional crayon clanner here.

Maybe we can work on that. As my mom always said, you're friends will predict your future.

The banks must be restrained and the financial system reformed, with balance restored to the economy, before there can be any sustainable recovery. Only Sanders is talking about that and only Sanders would do anything about it.

I agree with both points. It's crazy, who are the conservatives now? Sanders and Warren?

Hillary is the bought and paid stooge of Goldman and nothing of that kind will happen under her administration. She is the candidate from Goldman Sachs and serves at their whim. Sure, Trump remains a wild card, only getting somewhat less wild now that the GOP elites have rolled over and showed him their pale, distended bellies (and the Speaker's six-pack). Nevertheless, a vote for him is a gamble that out of the chaos a new order may be in the making. As I color outside the lines (again) I realize the choice might have bad outcomes, but I can live with that.

The Donald is only hoping to be bought and paid for. Hillary is in the club, Donald wants in so bad he can't wait to be president so he can *negotiate* with the boys and girls at Goldman. It will be wonderful. Fabulous. You'll love it just wait and see. Here's what your in for with your boy Donald when he starts whoring himself out to Wallstreet:
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/donald...152323629.html#

I guess it comes down to what you think the status quo is worth to you. If you think you can still extract a profit from it, then you're likely to defend the present even its debased state. There is no better defender of the status quo than Hillary Clinton and if more of the same is what you want, then it makes perfect sense to give her all the support you can.

She is front and center. Our job is to push her toward a more reasonable social contract. I think Sanders is doing that and I think Warren is pushing her as well.

The Crayon Clan (at least it's not yet a "Klan")...

You should read my first comment. There's plenty of Klan supporting The Donald and he's happy to have them. "I don't know anything about David Duke, OK?". He may as well say he never heard of slavery.

...seem willing to experience some short run discomfort as they align with Sanders or Trump supporters in their desire to see the status quo obliterated.

This is a false equivalency. Sanders is an honest broker. I don't agree with some of his ideas but comparing him to Trump demeans him. This is modern Jimmy Carter. A man too decent to be thrust into the presidency. Trump is a modern Mussolini, a man to despicable to be thrust on the world.

The very smartest don't want to lift a finger to alter course, but still are willing to risk war with Russia in Eastern Europe as the price for maintaining the status quo and muddling along just a while longer. The very smartest people watch as their countrymen kill themselves en mass rather than endure the status quo.

Some of the very smartest folks are here on iTulip. I think you'd be surprised to find out how much some of us are doing to turn this tanker around. Get involved locally. If you're up to it, get elected to a school board or as your local mayor. Stop bitching and make a difference.

So you know what my bumper sticker will be? "Don't blame me, I voted for Bernie."

If you think a decent democracy can be supported by a vote and a bumper sticker, we're screwed.