Trump to win?

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Trump to win?

Lets find ways to send even more people to College for free and we can become FRANCE.

Please you should all talk to someone from France or other European countries. There are tons of well educated and under employed.

Has anyone consider that the money we are pouring into Public Schools and public universities is mis allocated capital? I believe in education, but I don't believe that a tenured professor, with a state pension, can help my chid in this new economy.

Berine Sanders hasn't a clue! I love Vermont and I appreciate how it doesn't look at all like much of the United States.

Population of Vermont 600,000 (600 with a K).

Giving away education, traditional state university will drive up the pension obligations for the young to pay and not prepare them for this new economy.

I like the idea of tertiary education programs being government supported, IF political special interest pollution can be avoided and support can be highly agile and targeted.

My kids have been using Khan Academy every single day, two sessions a day, on top of normal school/weekend /holiday routine.

What a great resource for kids, parents, and adult learners.

I wonder if one effective answer will be more online corporate training, currently in house, being opened to the public and used as a tool for competitive recruitment and branded training with currency/relevancy.

I'm currently wait listed for Stanford GSB SEP, and in my research I'm wondering if companies like Google(with very well regarded and very Hugh hiring standards) would benefit from a cultural change to human resources and employee training?

Currently, being hired by Google or being Google Alumni(I've experienced this odd phenomenon as a very early Amazon employee) has high market and cachet value.

What if it was broadened to include "Google Thinker" or some other badge for those who did not make the Google employment cut, but passed thru the filter and "passed" with a rating?

Maybe the future will see the rise of external education opportunity tied in with Corporate human resources recruiting and human capital development?

Tertiary training that has more currency/relevancy in some form of mashup between corporate brands and development/government accreditation and funding/both internal user engagement and external user engagement and funding.

A more Americanized, Branded, and relevant tertiary education system to what Germany is doing with its workforce perhaps?

[dcarrigg]

Re: Trump to win?

Lets find ways to send even more people to College for free and we can become FRANCE.

Please you should all talk to someone from France or other European countries. There are tons of well educated and under employed.

Has anyone consider that the money we are pouring into Public Schools and public universities is mis allocated capital? I believe in education, but I don't believe that a tenured professor, with a state pension, can help my chid in this new economy.

Berine Sanders hasn't a clue! I love Vermont and I appreciate how it doesn't look at all like much of the United States.

Population of Vermont 600,000 (600 with a K).

Giving away education, traditional state university will drive up the pension obligations for the young to pay and not prepare them for this new economy.

I think maybe you're misunderstanding here. The idea was not to give 'free college' away to everybody. Nor was it to drastically expand enrollment numbers. The idea was to eliminate tuition for students with the grades and the SAT scores to be accepted to public colleges or universities or other public trade schools. That way there, public higher education becomes more of a true meritocracy and less of a game between merit and parental wealth.

All this is doing is completing Jefferson's dream.

Thomas Jefferson,

to John Adams



Monticello, October 28, 1813




I agree with you that there is a natural aristocracy among men. The grounds of this are virtue and talents. Formerly, bodily powers gave place among the aristoi [aristocrats]. But since the invention of gunpowder has armed the weak as well as the strong with missile death, bodily strength, like beauty, good humor, politeness, and other accomplishments, has become but an auxiliary ground for distinction. There is also an artificial aristocracy, founded on wealth and birth, without either virtue or talents; for with these it would belong to the first class. The natural aristocracy I consider as the most precious gift of nature, for the instruction, the trusts, and government of society. And indeed, it would have been inconsistent in creation to have formed man for the social state, and not to have provided virtue and wisdom enough to manage the concerns of the society. May we not even say, that that form of government is the best, which provides the most effectually for a pure selection of these natural aristoi into the offices of government? The artificial aristocracy is a mischievous ingredient in government, and provision should be made to prevent its ascendency. I think the best remedy is exactly that provided by all our constitutions, to leave to the citizens the free election and separation of the aristoi from the pseudo-aristoi [pseudoaristocrats], of the wheat from the chaff. In general they will elect the really good and wise. In some instances, wealth may corrupt, and birth blind them, but not in sufficient degree to endanger the society.



At the first session of our legislature after the Declaration of Independence, we passed a law abolishing entails [limitations on the inheritance of property to a specified succession of heirs]. And this was followed by one abolishing the privilege of primogeniture [the eldest child?s exclusive right of inheritance], and dividing the lands of intestates equally among all their children, or other representatives. These laws, drawn by myself, laid the ax to the foot of pseudoaristocracy. And had another which I prepared been adopted by the legislature, our work would have been complete. It was a bill for the more general diffusion of learning. This proposed to divide every county into wards of five or six miles square, like your townships; to establish in each ward a free school for reading, writing, and common arithmetic; to provide for the annual selection of the best subjects from these schools, who might receive, at the public expense, a higher degree of education at a district school; and from these district schools to select a certain number of the most promising subjects, to be completed at a university, where all the useful sciences should be taught. Worth and genius would thus have been sought out from every condition of life, and completely prepared by education for defeating the competition of wealth and birth for public trusts?.




With respect to aristocracy, we should further consider, that before the establishment of the American States, nothing was known to history but the man of the old world, crowded within limits either small or overcharged, and steeped in the vices which that situation generates. A government adapted to such men would be one thing, but a very different one, that for the man of these States. Here every one may have land to labor for himself, if he chooses; or, preferring the exercise of any other industry, may exact for it such compensation as not only to afford a comfortable subsistence, but wherewith to provide for a cessation from labor in old age. Every one, by his property, or by his satisfactory situation, is interested in the support of law and order. And such men may safely and advantageously reserve to themselves a wholesome control over their public affairs, and a degree of freedom, which, in the hands of the canaille [the masses] of the cities of Europe, would be instantly perverted to the demolition and destruction of everything public and private. The history of the last twenty-five years of France, and of the last forty years in America, nay of its last two hundred years, proves the truth of both parts of this observation.



But even in Europe a change has sensibly taken place in the mind of man. Science had liberated the ideas of those who read and reflect, and the American example had kindled feelings of right in the people. An insurrection has consequently begun, of science, talents, and courage, against rank and birth, which have fallen into contempt. It has failed in its first effort, because the mobs of the cities, the instrument used for its accomplishment, debased by ignorance, poverty, and vice, could not be restrained to rational action. But the world will recover from the panic of this first catastrophe. Science is progressive, and talents and enterprise on the alert. Resort may be had to the people of the country, a more governable power from their principles and subordination; and rank, and birth, and tinsel-aristocracy will finally shrink into insignificance, even there. This, however, we have no right to meddle with. It suffices for us, if the moral and physical condition of our own citizens qualifies them to select the able and good for the direction of their government, with a recurrence of elections at such short periods as will enable them to displace an unfaithful servant, before the mischief he meditates may be irremediable.



A constitution has been acquired, which, though neither of us thinks perfect, yet both consider as competent to render our fellow citizens the happiest and the securest on whom the sun has ever shone. If we do not think exactly alike as to its imperfections, it matters little to our country, which, after devoting to it long lives of disinterested labor, we have delivered over to our successors in life, who will be able to take care of it and of themselves.

[BK]

Re: Trump to win?

Eliminate 529s, eliminate the use of HELOCs, eliminate student loans (or at least cap amount that can be borrowed to avoid indentured servant levels of debt).

Sorry there is absolutely no way merit only free tuition will happen. I run into a lot of very successfully people who could have been trapped by free College

How is free health care working! There is no such thing as a free lunch. God help us if Steve Jobs had been offered FREE college.

Regards.

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

Eliminate 529s, eliminate the use of HELOCs, eliminate student loans (or at least cap amount that can be borrowed to avoid indentured servant levels of debt).

Sorry there is absolutely no way merit only free tuition will happen. I run into a lot of very successfully people who could have been trapped by free College

How is free health care working! There is no such thing as a free lunch. God help us if Steve Jobs had been offered FREE college.

Regards.

Free College? Isn't that the same place Bluto graduated?



Love that movie

So I definitely don't get where you're coming from with the "trapped by free College" thing, but they're already trapping the little darlings in states as diverse as Oregon and Tennessee and many more states offer it as an incentive to students with high GPAs. I'm with though you on loans and 529s and such; keep the money grubbing banksters and Wall Street hustlers mitts' off education, as a general rule.

[BK]

Re: Trump to win?

The need to cut to insane salaries at State Universities...and make college affordable again.

Redistribution isn't just good for Wall Street - there are lots of Academics getting massive distributions from society for mixed results.

http://www.masslive.com/database/uma...rrentPageSize=

University of California-
https://ucannualwage.ucop.edu/wage/

Giving College to a young man of women without a plan is a waste of money. There are lots of very smart young men who will do better in University as a 22-24 yr old freshman. Rather than focus on lets get all the young people into University (University want as many customers as possible).

What is this young person natural skills, where do the want to live, what are the job prospects for that career.

Currently everyone is being told they need to code and become an engineer.

I'm reminded of a Sesame Street episode where the King decries that all will become a "Fireman".
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QRedQmfQBxQ

[lakedaemonian]

Re: Trump to win?

The need to cut to insane salaries at State Universities...and make college affordable again.

Redistribution isn't just good for Wall Street - there are lots of Academics getting massive distributions from society for mixed results.

University of California-
https://ucannualwage.ucop.edu/wage/

I checked just 1 school in the system. 250 over $250,000, and >2500 over $100,000

It's like the leftie version of the right's even better paying Wall Street.

I'm not one to complain about compensation, as long as outputs are achieved.

And isn't it an implied(if not stated) output that a high cost education includes a high paying job to pay it off?

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I stated quite a few years ago here my concern over why universities aren't compelled to do the same thing magazines, radio stations, and to stations are compelled to do, provide audited results to prospective advertisers.

There should be consistent audited results of university graduate performance, specifically including income results to pay off loans.

And then they should be rated against peers for, amongst other things, best value degrees/schools, and colour coded risk warning for high likelihood of degree/school combo leading to financial disaster.

Consumers demand lemon laws protection and Consumer Reports warnings about bad cars and used car salesmen, but nothing about government backed loans for lemon degrees.

[Thailandnotes]

Re: Trump to win?

A.) Instate tuition for public universities since 1975 is a hockey stick of hyper-inflation.
B.) Wages&benefits for college professors and the percentage that are tenured....steep decline.

If you graph A and B, it’s as ugly as can be.

[vt]

Re: Trump to win?

http://www.cnbc.com/2015/06/16/why-c...nd-rising.html

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/mag...1.php?page=all

http://www.bestcollegesonline.com/bl...-academic-pay/

[shiny!]

Re: Trump to win?

Back to the title of this thread, looks like Cruz won the Iowa caucuses. Lady MacBeth beat Sanders in six coin tosses. Sanders is crying "foul."

[dcarrigg]

Re: Trump to win?

Back to the title of this thread, looks like Cruz won the Iowa caucuses. Lady MacBeth beat Sanders in six coin tosses. Sanders is crying "foul."

Cruz always had a good shot at Iowa. He was the only one on the Republican side that had the whole ground playbook working along with the ads. Trump thought he could turn them out on media alone. Rubio almost snuck past him and put him in third. These things...especially caucuses compared to just voting...are down to a science/numbers game now. I'm pretty convinced there's no way to just 'wing it' and come out ahead in a caucus. You need the long, slow, and expensive boots and cars on the ground to literally put asses in gyms until you hit your number.

Speaking of which...six coin tosses in a row all going your way...about a 1.5% chance of that happening. That's a damn good night at the roulette wheel...good enough to turn $100 into $6,000. Anyways, it's all goofy. There's one big boy delegate up for grabs. And it's close enough that whoever O'Malley's little delegates decide to break for will get the big boy delegate. Got to be upset a bit, though, when if the coin flips just went 3:3 instead of 6:0, you would have "won." Snowden had a little zinger about it that has been getting passed around this morning.

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

Back to the title of this thread, looks like Cruz won the Iowa caucuses. Lady MacBeth beat Sanders in six coin tosses. Sanders is crying "foul."

Make 2nd place great again!

[Woodsman]

Re: Trump to win?

Back to the title of this thread, looks like Cruz won the Iowa caucuses. Lady MacBeth beat Sanders in six coin tosses. Sanders is crying "foul."

A coin toss. A ufcking coin toss. If we can decide presidential elections on a coin toss, then why not capital cases? Hell, civil cases too. Think of the savings.

Sometimes I think there is no end to the indignities Americans are willing to endure; no level of debasement low enough for them to say stop.

[santafe2]

Re: Trump to win?

A coin toss.

Yup, and Bernie fell for it.

[LazyBoy]

Re: Trump to win?

https://i.imgur.com/Q1Pxzaq.gifv

[dcarrigg]

Re: Trump to win?

Yup, and Bernie fell for it.

Looks like Hillary "officially" won 6/6 coin tosses. Except now there's a video showing Sanders won at least one. Only a 1/64 chance she wins all 6. And I don't know who would have faked a video like this...it looks legitimate to me for now anyways.

Ruh oh...

Whatever. Winning by a coin-flip in Democracy isn't really winning anything anyways, no matter who it is.

You figure the press will head over to Hardin Township in Johnson County and ask some people around if they witnessed it? Or will they take the lazy way out, parrot the candidate who self-declared victory, and move on...?

Either way, this is some 3rd world level election nonsense, yet again.