Multiple Explosions Reported at Boston Marathon

[LorenS]

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News reports that they have a suspect in custody. http://www.nypost.com/p/news/nationa...9uC2PDGIjYBalO

Also today the wacky new New York gun laws go into effect. It will be interesting to see what freedoms we are supposed to give up now.

I feel bad for the victims, but our "leaders" seem bound and determined to make sure we all suffer whenever something bad happens.

[shiny!]

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Also today the wacky new New York gun laws go into effect. It will be interesting to see what freedoms we are supposed to give up now.

It should be against the law to set off bombs. Oh, wait.

[verdo]

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I hear the apparent suspect captured that is being reported is actually not true. Seems to be so much news coming out from this, its hard to discern what the hard facts are

[EJ]

117th Boston Marathon Tragedy

We have many friends who live in the Back Bay or regularly attend the Marathon from the area. We have been occupied checking in with them and accounting for everyone we know.

So far it looks like none of our friends or their children are among the 100+ injured or two dead.

Lucky us.

One friend describes his condo on Marlboro Street shaking from the blast while he worked from home and cared for his ill son. Another describes being shaken while riding the T below ground.

It's hard to describe how it feels to see a venerable celebration of global amateur runners, a uniquely American celebration of democratic global athletic competition, and also an occasion to get together with local friends and family, attacked in this way.

To see the sidewalks where I have spent many hours with friends and family enjoying dinner outside on warm summer evenings and fall afternoons, over decades, stained with the blood of innocent men, women, and children.

But I suppose that's the depraved message of this attack.

Not usually at a loss for words I am today except to offer my deepest sympathy to the victims.

[dcarrigg]

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We have many friends who live in the Back Bay or regularly attend the Marathon from the area. We have been occupied checking in with them and accounting for everyone we know.

So far it looks like none of our friends or their children are among the 100+ injured or two dead.

Lucky us.

One friend describes his condo on Marlboro Street shaking from the blast while he worked from home and cared for his ill son. Another describes being shaken while riding the T below ground.

It's hard to describe how it feels to see a venerable celebration of global amateur runners, a uniquely American celebration of democratic global athletic competition, and also an occasion to get together with local friends and family, attacked in this way.

To see the sidewalks where I have spent many hours with friends and family enjoying dinner outside on warm summer evenings and fall afternoons, over decades, stained with the blood of innocent men, women, and children.

But I suppose that's the depraved message of this attack.

Not usually at a loss for words I am today except to offer my deepest sympathy to the victims.

-deleted- decided better than to post online

[BadJuju]

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edit: removed my post.

[lakedaemonian]

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Simply terrible.

But I think it's worth mentioning that we've been through this type of stuff before:

Weather Underground(US)
Kent State(US)
SLA(US)
Baader Meinhoff(EU EU Germany)
Red Army Faction(EU Germany)
CCC(EU Belgium)
Action Directe(EU France)
Red Brigades(EU Italy)
17N(EU Greece)

The late 1960's thru the late 1980's was a 20 year period where these things happened(not even including all the state sponsored incidents) and we survived.

Heck, there was even a coup on the periphery of the EU in Portugal with left-wing versus right wing stuff going on.

Whenever I think if stuff like this I think of the book/movie Serpico......back when New York was a seedy/corrupt/bankrupt mess.

A bit like today really.....but with a shiny cheap credit vaneer to hide it all under the surface....until it starts peeling away like cheap linoleum.

Maybe we're heading back that way with the odd nasty incident occurring?

I'm not going to speculate on the offenders/rationale for what happened in Boston, but I can't help but think about the kinds of things that happened on occasion in the US/Europe in the late 60's thru late 80's as a gauge for what could possibly happen down the track occasionally to grab the headlines.

[lakedaemonian]

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EDIT: Double Post

[Chris Coles]

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Simply terrible.

But I think it's worth mentioning that we've been through this type of stuff before:

Weather Underground(US)
Kent State(US)
SLA(US)
Baader Meinhoff(EU EU Germany)
Red Army Faction(EU Germany)
CCC(EU Belgium)
Action Directe(EU France)
Red Brigades(EU Italy)
17N(EU Greece)

The late 1960's thru the late 1980's was a 20 year period where these things happened(not even including all the state sponsored incidents) and we survived.

Heck, there was even a coup on the periphery of the EU in Portugal with left-wing versus right wing stuff going on.

Whenever I think if stuff like this I think of the book/movie Serpico......back when New York was a seedy/corrupt/bankrupt mess.

A bit like today really.....but with a shiny cheap credit vaneer to hide it all under the surface....until it starts peeling away like cheap linoleum.

Maybe we're heading back that way with the odd nasty incident occurring?

I'm not going to speculate on the offenders/rationale for what happened in Boston, but I can't help but think about the kinds of things that happened on occasion in the US/Europe in the late 60's thru late 80's as a gauge for what could possibly happen down the track occasionally to grab the headlines.

And what did they gain? Nothing really changes. Every nation has a few "nutters" that have no regard for their victims.

My heart goes out to the families of the dead and injured.

[Mega]

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No metion of the IRA in your list i see............

[c1ue]

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We'll see if this is a McVeigh-like attack or a drone bombing payback.

I don't see any connection between the Boston Marathon and the federal government, though.

It has the hallmarks of straight fearmongering.

[c1ue]

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Latest news is saying the bombs were:

http://www.sfgate.com/news/crime/art...#ixzz2Qe88C4oQ

A person who spoke on the condition of anonymity because the investigation was still going on said that the explosives were put in 6-liter pressure cookers, placed in black duffel bags and left on the ground. They were packed with shrapnel, the person said.

Sure looks like a market bomb setup.

The injuries resulting also seem like a very high power explosion - possibly because of the pressure cooker container but equally possibly because of the explosive (still not revealed).

[lakedaemonian]

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I left out the IRA because I think most people would see the clear distinction between the IRA and the rest.

The very long standing Irish political/violence seems to differ substantially from the rest.

The rest all seemed to be slow burning but strictly temporary pre flash mob symptoms related to political/economic flux.

Have a look at Baader Meinhoff.

Before they went full retard violent they pursued aggressive/assertive student protests, mutated towards violence(while still receiving a surprising amount of public support) and mutated into a nasty malignancy.

Same with the Weather Underground.

And while the media made them stars, life carried on.

[lakedaemonian]

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I have some formal experience and training with explosives.

From the video I saw, I would hazard a guess of HME(home made explosives).

If high explosives such as C4 or PETN were used I would have expected to see different things in the video so I'm guessing lower velocity explosive.

But I'm not an SME, just my guess.

[lakedaemonian]

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Hi Chris.

I'm not claiming they gained or changed anything.

Just pointing out that many western countries have been here before.

I actually see such groups(bar the IRA) as symptoms of a broader set of problems.

In no way do I condone such actions, nor do I wish to debate their success or failure, but trying to look at it from a clinical and detached perspective I wonder if in some ways we are simply seeing history repeat itself.

I agree with you on the fact every country has nutters.

What brought these and other nutters out?

We have to wait and see on this one, but isn't it possible or even maybe likely that many of the issues we debate here that are causing such massive financial and social havoc MAY directly result in such actions by a malignant few?

A million protest
Ten thousand commit acts of civil disobediance
One hundred commits acts of violence
One builds and detonates a bomb

Surely somewhere hidden in all the numbers such as student debt, youth unemployment, uni grad unemployment, underemployment, pension losses, foreclosures, bankruptcies, etc lies some equation to roughly indicate risk/probability of such things happening.

I see it here in the 3rd world(we just received a valid suicide bomber threat at the local girls school), are we really that different?

Beyond the likelihood/frequency of course.