How many assault rifles at the next presidential event?

[bcassill]

Re: How many assault rifles at the next presidential event?

Okay, while I think taking a gun to a presidential rally is a numskull thing to do, it seems that these folks broke no laws to speak of and were NOT in the venue area where the President was. Seems that the venue area is under Federal jurisdiction (where guns are a no no) while the President is around, everything outside is covered by state law (where guns are okay). The Secret Service is very good at what they do in protecting the President's personal safety. I doubt for an instant that any of these numskulls could seriously gotten to a place for a clear shot. Just my honest opinion.

[flintlock]

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Folks carried guns at political rallies-and all kinds of events-in the 19th century. Not much happened, maybe because it was a heavy majority
that had guns. Or maybe it was because politicos were less hungry for
power and less likely to believe themselves as something akin to a king or
emperor. In the last century, only Eisenhower, and perhaps Coolidge, generally seemed to be void of such illusions. As to whatever links NH guy
had on a website, so what(and just who is making the claims and doing the categorizing). He was obeying the laws of his local and state government. The uncomfortable little secret is the 2nd Amendment was thought of to ensure the citizenry's ability to fight off, and overthrow(as in how this nation first came into being), an oppressive central state.

You mean the 2nd Amendment wasn't about hunting?

It's amazing how many people use that as an argument against the right to bear arms. " You don't need an AK-47 to shoot deer!" :rolleyes: They completely miss the point.

I think carrying a AR-15 to a public rally is probably a little much though. At least for now.

[cjppjc]

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Seems the "gun thing" is just one manifestation on a spectrum of growing civil backlash against the Government. I think the town hall meeting behaviour, public protests against health care, "tea parties", deliberate defaulting on debt, and gun & ammunition sales are USA society variations of the riots in Greece last summer, the "Eat the Bankers" protests in London, & other forms of recent civil demonstrations in the developed economies.

As you say, it is the American flavor.

[Ghent12]

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This Salon article covers his MySpace page:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/walsh/p...lliam_kostric/

Thanks for the link. I didn't verify with his MySpace page, but if the account is accurate, all it does is make the guy out to be a radical, not a racist or otherwise.

I have a question, though, for people who think it's a bad idea to bring guns to a presidential rally. If a majority or large minority exercised their open carry rights a majority of the time, would it still be a bad idea to bring a gun to a presidential rally?

To answer an earlier question: I am pretty sure the Secret Service can and will do almost anything it needs to in order to create a safe corridor for the POTUS. Their limitations seem more physical than legal, if you catch my meaning.

[cjppjc]

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As Dr. Paul pointed out, making a point about the second amendment in this fashion is alot like those who make a point about the first amendment by burning the American flag.

[Ghent12]

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As Dr. Paul pointed out, making a point about the second amendment in this fashion is alot like those who make a point about the first amendment by burning the American flag.

I guess that's an issue where I disagree with Dr. Paul. Guns make the world safer, not less safe, though I expect a lot of disagreement about that statement as well. The only way to desensitize people to the mere sight of firearms is to actually make them seen, and therefore an action like this, which is perfectly legal, is doing a service more than a disservice.

I like the quote from the CNN article about it.

Asked whether the individuals carrying weapons jeopardized the safety of the president, Donovan said, "Of course not."

[cjppjc]

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I guess that's an issue where I disagree with Dr. Paul. Guns make the world safer, not less safe, though I expect a lot of disagreement about that statement as well. The only way to desensitize people to the mere sight of firearms is to actually make them seen, and therefore an action like this, which is perfectly legal, is doing a service more than a disservice.

I like the quote from the CNN article about it.

Asked whether the individuals carrying weapons jeopardized the safety of the president, Donovan said, "Of course not."

You are not disagreeing with Dr. Paul. He of course supports all manner of protest under the first amendment. He was pointing out that just because someone doesn't like the way a person is making their point, they have a right to make it.

[doom&gloom]

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would someone please tell me WTF an 'assault weapon' is? because besides the 'mean-ness' factor of looks or potential military application, a rifle is a rifle and a handgun is a handgun until you modify them to full auto mode. this 'assault' label is stupid and ridiculous -- talk abouth the politics of fear -- there you go -- FEAR the mean-looking gun. ridiculous.

[jtabeb]

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You are not disagreeing with Dr. Paul. He of course supports all manner of protest under the first amendment. He was pointing out that just because someone doesn't like the way a person is making their point, they have a right to make it.

X2! Good point, Much as I have distaste for someone burning the US flag, I fight for their right to do so.

[Slimprofits]

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a rifle is a rifle and a handgun is a handgun until you modify them to full auto mode. this 'assault' label is stupid and ridiculous -- talk abouth the politics of fear -- there you go -- FEAR the mean-looking gun. ridiculous.

Machine guns were not referred to in the media and society as "assault rifles" until sometime in the 90s, I think.

But if you search around the internet, there are plenty of gun dealers that use the term too. Maybe because it was popularized by the msm?

I'm curious when the Europeans at large started calling machine guns, assault rifles. Around the same time we did?

[Verrocchio]

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X2! Good point, Much as I have distaste for someone burning the US flag, I fight for their right to do so.

The willingness to defend another's right to do or say something with which one disagrees is honorable and an impulse I fully share. At the same time, as can be inferred above (I have distaste), one can heap hearty disapproval on the person exercising his or her right.

...And, I do heartily disapprove of public display of dangerous weapons at political events but vigorously support the right to do so. My disapproval stems from a deep-seated aversion to threats and implied threats -- any form of political bullying. Rightly or wrongly, I associate the recent images of the guntoters in New Hampshire and Arizona with the last century's goose-stepping Brown Shirts. That's a road I'd rather not see us travel.

[flintlock]

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Well a 30 round magazine does make it a little more impressive than say, you're old Marlin 5 shot .22.