Town halls turning ugly

[Slimprofits]

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I didn't vote for George W. Bush, but I don't recall the "hush it, rush it, shut down the opposition activities" of the Bush White House. Could you refresh my memory?

After 9/11 Americans were warned by President Bush, his spokesman Ari Fleischer, AG Ashcroft and SoD Rumsfeld to watch what they say and self described "Patriots" across the country took that as a cue to call out anyone with a few unanswered questions about the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan as traitors, commies, etc.

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re: the SEIU fight

This video begins midway through the fight, but it does begin with a man in an SEIU shirt on the ground getting kicked.

Another guy sort of flies in from the right to join in on the action and is pulled down by a different guy in an SEIU shirt before quickly getting back up again.

And I think the one that was pulled down is the one was allegedly beaten by 5 SEIU members (Gladley).

Impossible to tell who attacked first from this video or if fighting words were issued.

is there video evidence that shows 5 SEIU members beating this guy up that I haven't seen?

One of the witnesses is shouting at one of SEIU members and about two of them beating the guy that has received attention from the MSM (Gladley) and he responds by saying that Gladley attacked someone else first. A minister? It's inaudible.

[Raz]

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After 9/11 Americans were warned by President Bush, his spokesman Ari Fleischer, AG Ashcroft and SoD Rumself to watch what they say and self described "Patriots" across the country took that as a cue to call out anyone with a few unanswered questions about the invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan as traitors, commies, etc.

Okay. Immediately after 9/11 we didn't know when or where the next attack would take place. For all we knew it could have been nuclear. Slightly different setting than today, wouldn't you agree?

Do you know of anyone who was harrased or arrested by the FBI or Homeland Security as a result of being "called out" by a fellow American?

The surgeon who performed the mascectomy on my wife told me Thursday afternoon that a fellow surgeon who attended medical school with him was briefly detained and questioned by FBI agents about his attendance at a town hall meeting and his prior attendance at a Tea Party protest. Who do you think "called him out"? Do you think that the present administration is placing those who attend such meetings under some level of surveillance because they are viewed as a threat to national security, or simply a threat to the President's agenda?

[Slimprofits]

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Raz, one of our differences is that I do not think that when citizens criticize the warplans of their government, that actions constitutes a threat to national security.

However, I do think the present administration is asking for supporters to rat out dissenters because they're viewed as a threat to the agenda of the administration.

And 2 + 2 = 4.

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We've got problems at GOP headquarters:

http://voices.kansascity.com/node/5374

Republican Rep Jack Kingston of Georgia said about the (Palin's) "death panel" comment: "It’s a scare tactic, no question about it."

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And from the Dept. of Historical Revision / the Shoe is now on the other foot:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...-52608562.html

Angry Mobs Department: That was then, this is now
By: MARK TAPSCOTT
Editorial Page Editor
08/06/09 5:31 PM EDT
Democrats screaming to high heaven about those disrupted town hall meetings could use a little refresher on recent history concerning their partisans' conduct in 2005 in response to President George W. Bush's attempt to get Congress to move on a genuine Social Security reform.
My friend Jon Henke at The Next Right offers these tidbits:

· NW Progressive Institute, March 2005: "a boisterous crowd which frequently interrupted the discussion with shouts and hard nosed questions. ... Democrats in the audience who were interrupting the panel.... the crowd erupted in anger... Democrats in the audience started shouting him down again."

· Savannah Morning News, March 2005: "By now, Jack Kingston is used to shouted questions, interruptions and boos. Republican congressmen expect such responses these days when they meet with constituents about President Bush's proposal to overhaul Social Security."

· USA Today, March 2005: "Shaken by raucous protests at open "town hall"-style meetings last month ... Santorum was among dozens of members of Congress who ran gantlets of demonstrators and shouted over hecklers at Social Security events last month. Many who showed up to protest were alerted by e-mails and bused in by anti-Bush organizations such as MoveOn.org and USAction, a liberal advocacy group. They came with prepared questions and instructions on how to confront lawmakers."

[WDCRob]

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agree with you... now pls fred move to political abyss before a mild mannered passerby gets the idea we're the internet equivalent of fight club.

Agreed. Thought that was already called for and done.

And I'll apologize for making it sound like I think all of the people at the town halls are racists - I don't believe that. But there's clearly a heavy current of plain ol' racism among many of the participants and they feel disturbingly comfortable in showing it.

[Raz]

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Raz, one of our differences is that I do not think that when citizens criticize the warplans of their government, that actions constitutes a threat to national security.

However, I do think the present administration is asking for supporters to rat out dissenters because they're viewed as a threat to the agenda of the administration.

And 2 + 2 = 4.

Apparently we do have differences - but not about the two statements above. :confused:
I was a loud and vocal critic of G. W. Dumbass's Iraqi Adventure from day one. And I feared the "Patriot" Act for it's provisions and it's very name!

[Raz]

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We've got problems at GOP headquarters:

http://voices.kansascity.com/node/5374

Republican Rep Jack Kingston of Georgia said about the (Palin's) "death panel" comment: "It’s a scare tactic, no question about it."

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And from the Dept. of Historical Revision / the Shoe is now on the other foot:

It probably is a scare tactic. But it doesn't change my agreement in principle with what she said about government bureaucrats deciding who lives and who dies. My thoughts are posted in this thread as a response to WDCrob.

[Slimprofits]

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Apparently we do have differences - but not about the two statements above. :confused:
I was a loud and vocal critic of G. W. Dumbass's Iraqi Adventure from day one. And I feared the "Patriot" Act for it's provisions and it's very name!

You misunderstood my first response which may not have been clear but did reference the hushing by the administration of people that criticized their warplans for Iraq. And still you implied that criticism of the government immediately after 9/11 constitutes a possible national security threat in the eyes of the government.

[Raz]

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You misunderstood my first response which may not have been clear but did reference the hushing by the administration of people that criticized their warplans for Iraq. And still you implied that criticism of the government immediately after 9/11 constitutes a possible national security threat in the eyes of the government.

If I did imply such then I was (a) wrong, or (b) unclear in my presentation. I do believe that suspicious activity in late 2001 - early 2002 should have been reported, as it in fact was when the antics of some Muslim clerics alarmed airline passengers. But I most certainly did NOT mean that those who spoke out against invading Iraq should have been detained and/or harrased by Federal Agents.

[doom&gloom]

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[metalman]

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it's all looking up after 10 yrs...

[WDCRob]

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Georgia Senator Isakson (R):

I just had a phone call where someone said Sarah Palin's web site had talked about the House bill having death panels on it where people would be euthanized. How someone could take an end of life directive or a living will as that is nuts. You're putting the authority in the individual rather than the government.

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This was thoroughly debated in the Senate committee. It's voluntary. Every state in America has an end of life directive or durable power of attorney provision. For the peace of mind of your children and your spouse as well as the comfort of knowing the government won't make these decisions, it's a very popular thing. Just not everybody's aware of it.

[Slimprofits]

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Georgia Senator Isakson (R):

One would think that even Republican diehards wouldn't enjoy being blatantly lied to by Palin, but going by her popularity, that isn't the case.

Here's a link to the thread on Schumer's biometrics program, that's Schumer - DEMOCRAT - NY - lest anyone accuse me of bias for focusing on Republicans in this particular post.

http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...ight=biometric

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