Town halls turning ugly

[mesyn191]

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...this is how some people lobby. sorry if it makes you uncomfortable but these are REAL lives we are talking about ruining. I'm just glad there is still momentum and anger maybe it will carry into election time.

Most of the recent town hall stuff is astroturf. No really:





If they don't get enough people on hand to do that they bus more nutjobs in to harass whoever is speaking. This is even worse than those BS "Tea parties" we saw a little while back.

Who you talking to? I love it personally.

If it was for the right reasons maybe I could get behind it too, but most of these people are nutjob birthers, FEMA camp/NWO "activists", and straight up racists. Case in point...

*from the info. section of the linked Youtube video*"This nigga has got to go!"

My that is a lovely video you've got there...

[ThePythonicCow]

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Most of the recent town hall stuff is astroturf. No really:

If they don't get enough people on hand to do that they bus more nutjobs in to harass whoever is speaking. This is even worse than those BS "Tea parties" we saw a little while back.


If it was for the right reasons maybe I could get behind it too, but most of these people are nutjob birthers, FEMA camp/NWO "activists", and straight up racists.

One of the ploys of those who would destroy American Freedom is to get us divided against each other.

Let's see here "stuff ... astroturf ... nutjobs ... harass ... BS ... nutjob ... birthers ... NWO activists ... racists ..."

Thank-you for your well thought out, factual and respectful discussion of important issues :rolleyes:.

(In other words, I hope readers of your comment will notice that you were just name calling and pay your remark appropriately little regard.)

[santafe2]

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From the video that Metalman posted, we find that the organizers of the protest at Rep. Bishop's town-hall meeting was an outfit called the Conservative Society for Action.

We're headed toward another world war and these fascists will lead the way. They don't yet feel free to set up camps but it's no more than an election or two away if we ignore the threat. Wait until oil is $300 a barrel, the idiots in this video will go Hitler youth on us all.

Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity - MLK.

[mesyn191]

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Thank-you for your well thought out, factual and respectful discussion of important issues :rolleyes:.

Refutation of a statement requires facts, not none to subtle sarcasm.

As for facts....I posted images of leaked documents showing how most of these "angry town hall meetings" are really being set up by "party action committees" instead of actual spontaneous events by locals. That is text book astroturf, aka fake grass roots organizing.

Many of these "angry town hall meetings" have been about Obama's birth certs and such, its not like they're hard to find you know so I don't see how you can call that into question. And yes, if you're a birther than you're a nutjob and full of BS, hell even some of the repub's on TV have started to call it nonsense (O'Reilly and Coulter).

As for being racists I c/p'd the relevent quote from one of audrey's links....

(In other words, I hope readers of your comment will notice that you were just name calling and pay your remark appropriately little regard.)

It sure seems those names are accurate so whats the problem?

[ThePythonicCow]

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Refutation of a statement requires facts, not none to subtle sarcasm.

Yup.



Just the facts.

Or do you consider all that name calling "just facts"?

(Never mind .. don't bother responding .. there is no hope for this discussion.)

[mesyn191]

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(Never mind .. don't bother responding .. there is no hope for this discussion.)

What discussion? You're at best just talking down to me with sarcastic replies.

[Ghent12]

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What discussion? You're at best just talking down to me with sarcastic replies.

Well you didn't bring much to the conversation except to question the ethos and even the definition of "grass roots movements" in this country. If anything, you proved how little value any definition holds.

Let me just see if I understand your position. If any protest is organized in any way by an outside agency, it is AstroTurf and not a genuine grass roots movement? Okay, fair enough; I don't think there have ever been any grass roots movements in the country, in that case.

However, AstroTurf by your definition can still represent the views of the people, just as much as cookie-cutter politicians can from time to time (when they are not stealing).

[audrey_girl]

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Most of the recent town hall stuff is astroturf. No really:





If they don't get enough people on hand to do that they bus more nutjobs in to harass whoever is speaking. This is even worse than those BS "Tea parties" we saw a little while back.


If it was for the right reasons maybe I could get behind it too, but most of these people are nutjob birthers, FEMA camp/NWO "activists", and straight up racists. Case in point...


My that is a lovely video you've got there...

- sorry - i did not see this; I do not believe in ugly crap like that.

I will pull this post. I just saw the fox video here on youtube about senator spector getting heckled at a town meeting and posted the video - did not see this other ugly stuff , I will be more careful with my postings in the future.

- again terribly sorry

apologize to all who are offended

[lurker]

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Whatever your politics I think these incidents are a sign that as the economy goes to hell things could well disintegrate completely, and any slight vestiges of national cohesion between americans at odds with each other politically could be lost.

And the likes of Hannity, Coulter, Limbaugh and other extremist hate-preachers should count themselves at least partly responsible. Has political discourse always been so knuckleheaded in the US ?

[Slimprofits]

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Has political discourse always been so knuckleheaded in the US ?

Would love to hear from Nickerson, EJ, GRG55 and few others on this one.

I tend to think it started to get much worse during the 90s with the proliferation of talk radio, cable television, 24 hours of coverage and eventually the internet.

[Slimprofits]

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Classic Colbert last night.

The Colbert Report	Mon - Thurs 11:30pm / 10:30c
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I'm still thinking about and laughing out loud @ The Three Wisemen

[seanm123]

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A little brawling now and then could be a good thing for Democracy.




http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/200...lators-attack/

[ThePythonicCow]

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Has political discourse always been so knuckleheaded in the US ?

Do you mean such as when people label some of the more prominent spokesmen and women for the opposition "extremist hate-preachers"?

Yup. It's been going on a long long time, and not just in the United States either.

[ThePythonicCow]

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- sorry - i did not see this; I do not believe in ugly crap like that.

I see no need for an apology, audrey_girl. Most good political theater, for whichever side, is organized ahead of time. This is a fine example of that.

Such organization doesn't mean the people doing it are insincere. It does mean we have to remain aware that all powerful interests may, if they can, play upon the sincere concerns of people to promote positions that may or may not be what they appear.

Our inborn tendencies to participate in such theater when we agree, to find such theater disgusting when we disagree, and to be swayed by such theater either way as if it were entirely spontaneous are all tendencies of which we must be reminded now and then.

[radon]

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Classic Colbert last night.

The Colbert Report	Mon - Thurs 11:30pm / 10:30c
Merry Barackmas
www.colbertnation.com
Colbert Report Full Episodes Political Humor Tasers

I'm still thinking about and laughing out loud @ The Three Wisemen

And after Catiline came Caesar.......