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    Commodities: Egyptian bloodbath threatens crucial routes for oil and gas supplies

    Egypt is a key bottleneck in the global oil industry. Should the current turmoil in the North African country get any worse, a potential oil spike could damage any nascent economic recovery.

    Egypt plays a vital role in international energy markets through the operation of the Suez Canal and the Suez-Mediterranean (Sumed) pipeline. These are vital pieces of infrastructure in the global oil market. Photo: EPA/MOSAAB ELSHAMY

    By Garry White, and Emma Rowley

    9:33PM BST 18 Aug 2013

    After last week’s bloody crackdown by the Egyptian army, fears of a disruption of oil supplies to the West have boosted the oil price. Brent crude prices were propelled to a four-month high of $111.23 on Thursday. If the turmoil gets worse – or unrest spreads to other countries – the risk premium currently factored into the price of crude is likely to increase further.


    Egypt is not a major energy exporter, producing a nominal amount of the world’s oil and gas. The North African country appears at number 54 on the list of the world’s largest oil exporters, producing about 0.9pc of the world’s oil and 1.8pc of global natural gas supply.


    However, Egypt plays a vital role in international energy markets through the operation of the Suez Canal and the Suez-Mediterranean (Sumed) pipeline. These are vital pieces of infrastructure in the global oil market.


    Last year, about 7pc of all seaborne traded oil and 13pc of liquefied natural gas (LNG) travelled through the Suez Canal, according to data collected by the US Energy Information Administration (EIA).


    The Suez Canal, a 101-mile link between the Red Sea and the Mediterranean, and the 200-mile Sumed pipeline are strategic routes for Persian Gulf oil and gas shipments to Europe and North America.

    Closure of these two routes would add an estimated 2,700 miles of transit from Saudi Arabia to the United States around the Cape of Good Hope, increasing costs and shipping time.

    Hopes are high, however, that both the canal and pipeline will continue to operate as normal. Maritime insurers appear to be relaxed about the situation at the moment, but one, Skuld, has warned ships’ crews not to go ashore.

    “Members are advised to ensure that ships and crew calling at Egyptian ports or transiting the Suez Canal remain on alert and take suitable precautions to ensure their safety,” Christian Ott, Skuld’s vice-president, head of claims, said. “Given the announcement of the state of emergency, and the continued situation on the ground, vessels and crew need to exercise particular caution if any crew step ashore – even for short periods of time.”

    The rest of the country’s oil industry remains relatively unaffected. Despite the worrying headlines, most oil and gas production takes place offshore and is operating relatively undisturbed.

    The largest player is BP, which produces about 15pc of the country’s oil and 30pc of its gas. “Operations and production are unaffected,” a BP spokesman told Reuters after more than 500 people were killed last week in a security crackdown. “We are monitoring the security situation in the areas where we have offices. All our people are safe and accounted for.”

    Royal Dutch Shell is also a major producer in the country. “To ensure the safety and security of our staff, Shell offices in Egypt are closed for business today and into the weekend, and business travel into the country has been restricted. We will continue to monitor the situation in Egypt,” a Shell spokesman said on Friday.

    However, perhaps the most exposed company to the country is BG Group. Egypt was the energy company’s largest producing country in 2012, delivering 20pc of the company’s total production.
    BG’s production is also unaffected so far, but the group withdrew 100 expatriate staff and dependants last month.

    About half of the gas that Egypt produces is exported, with the rest servicing Egypt’s domestic market. This is one reason why sector watchers are hopeful that disruption will be minimal. Whoever holds political power will not want the lights to go off.

    The Egyptian uncertainty will continue to boost the oil price, but the situation in neighbouring Libya is also a concern. Workers at ports in Libya have been on strike for a number of weeks, with the protests resulting in a drop in Libya’s oil exports.

    “If the blockade of these oil terminals continues, the state will be obliged to use its power, and all the forces at its disposal, including the army,” the Libyan prime minister, Ali Zeidan, said on Friday.
    “The situation in Libya is also threatening to escalate: the government appears to be running out of patience in view of the revenue losses due to strikes,” Commerzbank said last week. “After striking workers at the export terminals had announced that they planned to sell the oil themselves, the government threatened to deploy the army to prevent this from happening.”

    Brent crude prices eased on Friday, following five straight days of gains. However, prices are likely to stay at or above $110 (£70) a barrel until there are signs of tensions easing. But if the situation in Egypt and Libya worsens, all bets could be off.
    Silver

    After months of falling along with gold, the silver price has rallied more than 20pc from its June lows, meeting the usual definition of a “bull” market.

    Indeed, analysts at Commerzbank say that it is possible that the yellow metal has been pulled upwards by silver, which passed $24 (£15) an ounce last week, as the metals move in tandem. The team suggest silver could have further to climb after its recent rise.
    “Its price rise was accompanied by a huge increase in silver ETF holdings,” they say. “Coupled with a recovery of industrial demand, which accounts for more than 50pc of total silver demand, this could lend support to the silver price.”
    Last edited by BDAdmin; August 21, 2013, 06:53 AM.

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    Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

    I feel like a bit of a Bastard to talk like this with so many people killed, but if the Suez gets shut expect Tanker stock to rocket. That Greek bloke who married Jackie Kenndy he was bankupt before Israel attacked in 67 or 73.....with in a year he cleared ALL his debts!

    He was VERY wealthy after that!

    Mike

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      Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

      Originally posted by Mega View Post
      I feel like a bit of a Bastard to talk like this with so many people killed, but if the Suez gets shut expect Tanker stock to rocket. That Greek bloke who married Jackie Kenndy he was bankupt before Israel attacked in 67 or 73.....with in a year he cleared ALL his debts!

      He was VERY wealthy after that!

      Mike

      Fists vs tanks. I can't see how Morsi supporters will win.

      But all this confirms that the Nobel Peace Prize is a joke and has minus one credibility.

      The Suez will be secure, but I can't say the same for the coalition of the willing since Al Qaeda's ranks would probably be boosted by a couple tens of thousands after Egypt affirms that democracy in the Middle East is just a sham.
      Last edited by touchring; August 18, 2013, 09:50 PM.

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        Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

        Originally posted by touchring View Post
        after Egypt affirms that democracy in the Middle East is just a sham.
        From what little I've read about Egypt there where upwards of 3 million people in the streets of Cairo protesting about Morsi.

        If Morsi was so sure that he still had support of the majority of Egyptians then he would have called an election when his back was to the wall. The fact he didn't suggests he knew he would have lost.

        There is an element of democracy in a mass of people expressing their will over government disapproval. However it's not the sort of democracy western governments want. They want people to vote for party "six of one" or "half a dozen of the other". In the west when there are mass protests they are ignored, eg. in the UK around 1 million protested about going to war in Iraq.

        The future of Egypt hinges on how soon they can hold new elections and if the Muslim Brotherhood is allowed to stand.

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          Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

          Originally posted by bungee View Post
          From what little I've read about Egypt there where upwards of 3 million people in the streets of Cairo protesting about Morsi.

          If Morsi was so sure that he still had support of the majority of Egyptians then he would have called an election when his back was to the wall. The fact he didn't suggests he knew he would have lost.

          There is an element of democracy in a mass of people expressing their will over government disapproval. However it's not the sort of democracy western governments want. They want people to vote for party "six of one" or "half a dozen of the other". In the west when there are mass protests they are ignored, eg. in the UK around 1 million protested about going to war in Iraq.

          The future of Egypt hinges on how soon they can hold new elections and if the Muslim Brotherhood is allowed to stand.

          After the massacre, I am convinced that this is all about the military trying to seize power for itself under the guise of democracy.

          We know that brutality don't work in the Middle East in the long run. Violence begets more violence. Look at Syria today, what happened to Assad's campaign to crush the terrorists?
          Last edited by touchring; August 19, 2013, 05:26 AM.

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            Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

            Egypt is about the MB (which are now seen as radical Islamists) systematically began to tear about the Egyptian constitution. Their goal was to turn Egypt into an Islamist state, threaten Israel, take away the freedom of religion, and destroy freedom of speech.

            The election of the MB was a reaction to Mubarak's governing mistakes. This year a clear majority of Egyptians decided that the freedom they were promised was now just a worse dictatorship of religious tyranny. The MB is not a majority of the country.

            The army jumped in to prevent a civil war, and new elections will be held in the next year to restore democracy.

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              Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

              Originally posted by vt View Post
              Egypt is about the MB (which are now seen as radical Islamists) systematically began to tear about the Egyptian constitution. Their goal was to turn Egypt into an Islamist state, threaten Israel, take away the freedom of religion, and destroy freedom of speech.

              The election of the MB was a reaction to Mubarak's governing mistakes. This year a clear majority of Egyptians decided that the freedom they were promised was now just a worse dictatorship of religious tyranny. The MB is not a majority of the country.

              The army jumped in to prevent a civil war, and new elections will be held in the next year to restore democracy.
              I spoke last week with a Coptic family living here in the US. They say the media is not reporting the murders and arsons by the Muslim Brotherhood and their sympathizers that are being committed in rural areas outside Cairo and Alexandria. The Christians of Egypt are being robbed, raped and murdered by the hundreds and possibly thousands by these thugs.

              But the majority of Egyptians, while at least nominally Muslim, DO NOT want their country turned into a clone of Iran.

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                Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

                "They" want control of Suez, they are NOT getting it!
                The ghost of Nasser strikes!
                Forward my brothers & sisters..........kick out the Western pupets!

                Mega

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                  Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

                  Originally posted by Raz View Post
                  I spoke last week with a Coptic family living here in the US. They say the media is not reporting the murders and arsons by the Muslim Brotherhood and their sympathizers that are being committed in rural areas outside Cairo and Alexandria. The Christians of Egypt are being robbed, raped and murdered by the hundreds and possibly thousands by these thugs.

                  But the majority of Egyptians, while at least nominally Muslim, DO NOT want their country turned into a clone of Iran.

                  So the Egyptians feel that ousting Mubarak is a mistake?

                  Virtually all dictatorships and authoritarian governments in the world justify their rule by claiming that only they can protect of the minority which is true although it usually puts them at loggerheads with the majority.

                  One can't have the cake and eat it too. Egyptians need to make up their minds whether to go for democracy or return to status quo.
                  Last edited by touchring; August 19, 2013, 09:02 PM.

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                    Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

                    Originally posted by touchring View Post
                    So the Egyptians feel that ousting Mubarak is a mistake?
                    Why would you assume that? They never expressed such - only that when Mubarak was overthrown they believed the Muslim Brotherhood would make a play for ABSOLUTE power. Their fears were born out.

                    And Mubarak didn't protect them either; they've been persecuted since the Ninth Century, but other than a period under the Ottomans they've not always suffered as they fear under the Muslim Brotherhood.


                    Originally posted by touchring View Post
                    Virtually all dictatorships and authoritarian governments in the world justify their rule by claiming that only they can protect of the minority which is true although it usually puts them at loggerheads with the majority.
                    Mubarak and the police have for years consistently turned their eyes away while the Copts have been victims of arson, beating and even murder.

                    This is another example of hypocricy by our government: wax eloquently about "human rights" while arming those who care little or nothing for those rights except for their own favored groups. Such is practically the entire MENA. It's also another reason the United States is hated by many across the world.



                    Originally posted by touchring View Post
                    One can't have the cake and eat it too. Egyptians need to make up their minds whether to go for democracy or return to status quo.
                    Well, I'm opposed to a Democracy, and so are those who wanted Morsi out.

                    Democracy to our Founders meant the tyranny of 51%. A Republic, however, means the rule of law and established rights for the minority as well as the majority.
                    It's what we once had in the United States but is slowly, steadily being eroded by Statists, mostly from the Left but ALSO from the Right - as in the Patriot Act.


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                      Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

                      Interesting take on things Raz.

                      I don't deny for a second that America's meddling in the middle east has been mercenary. Many times we have supported a regime or dictator that, in hindsight, were anything but the kind of government we like to ~think~ we encourage. But in my personal opinion this is to be expected. Islam is unlike anything that westerners have been raised to understand. Whether violent or passive, orthodox or lax, the entire concept of a religious based system of governance (with centuries of jurisprudence to back it up) is just not something we are equipped to understand. The catch-22 of giving freedom of choice to a people who will, in all likelihood, use that freedom to install a system that would take it away for a hell of a lot of its citizens is just something we can't countenance.

                      The fact that this religion/system of ordering government is in the middle of a civil war just makes it that much harder for us to grasp.

                      You may not agree but I honestly think this is one of those situations that may not have a solution. I agree with you that we adopted a republic and not a democracy. But in the end, by whatever name we wish to call it, a system that grants freedom of conscience, religion, speech, etc can only exist in a population where the overwhelming majority of agrees with these rights and is willing to guarantee them in perpetuity. I wouldn't even venture a guess as to how many millions may have to die before that situation exists in large swaths of the mideast.

                      Will

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                        Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

                        Originally posted by Raz View Post
                        Well, I'm opposed to a Democracy, and so are those who wanted Morsi out.

                        Democracy to our Founders meant the tyranny of 51%. A Republic, however, means the rule of law and established rights for the minority as well as the majority.
                        It's what we once had in the United States but is slowly, steadily being eroded by Statists, mostly from the Left but ALSO from the Right - as in the Patriot Act.
                        You took the words right out of my mouth, much better than I could have said them.

                        Be kinder than necessary because everyone you meet is fighting some kind of battle.

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                          Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

                          Originally posted by Penguin View Post
                          Interesting take on things Raz.

                          I don't deny for a second that America's meddling in the middle east has been mercenary. Many times we have supported a regime or dictator that, in hindsight, were anything but the kind of government we like to ~think~ we encourage. But in my personal opinion this is to be expected. Islam is unlike anything that westerners have been raised to understand. Whether violent or passive, orthodox or lax, the entire concept of a religious based system of governance (with centuries of jurisprudence to back it up) is just not something we are equipped to understand. The catch-22 of giving freedom of choice to a people who will, in all likelihood, use that freedom to install a system that would take it away for a hell of a lot of its citizens is just something we can't countenance.

                          The fact that this religion/system of ordering government is in the middle of a civil war just makes it that much harder for us to grasp.

                          You may not agree but I honestly think this is one of those situations that may not have a solution. I agree with you that we adopted a republic and not a democracy. But in the end, by whatever name we wish to call it, a system that grants freedom of conscience, religion, speech, etc can only exist in a population where the overwhelming majority of agrees with these rights and is willing to guarantee them in perpetuity. I wouldn't even venture a guess as to how many millions may have to die before that situation exists in large swaths of the mideast.

                          Will
                          Actually, I do agree. The British didn't wake up one day in 1707 and say, "By jove - let's have a democracy"! It took 400 years of struggle, civil war and societal change before the British people were able to govern themselves.

                          I angered some friends back in 2002 when I said GW Bush was a "total dumb-ass" for proposing to invade Iraq. The very idea that we would overthrow Sadaam Hussein and then have a working democracy within a few years was the province of complete ignoramuses who knew nothing of our own history, much less that of the Middle East!


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                            Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

                            Originally posted by Raz View Post
                            Well, I'm opposed to a Democracy, and so are those who wanted Morsi out.

                            Democracy to our Founders meant the tyranny of 51%. A Republic, however, means the rule of law and established rights for the minority as well as the majority.
                            It's what we once had in the United States but is slowly, steadily being eroded by Statists, mostly from the Left but ALSO from the Right - as in the Patriot Act.

                            Perhaps at the moment, but I'm not sure if authoritarianism can work in the Middle East in the long run. Remember oil won't last forever. Even Saudi Arabia will run out of export oil in less than 20 years. What happens after that? Syrian style anarchy?

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                              Re: Egyptian Bloodbath has West worried!

                              Saudi Arabia will not 'run out of oil'.

                              Sure they won't be able to pump it at the same rate or volume as they do now. As oil becomes more scarce and demand continues to rise the price will rise to match. I imagine Saudi Arabia will be oil rich until a new fuel source is found to replace oil.

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