DEpressed

[Mega]

Can't explaine it, i wish i was dead............
No Great ecomimc implosion, dow 15,000............FFS!

Mike

[Chris]

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You didn't mention gold...which is getting killed.

[Mega]

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I don't care...........I don't care about anything.........i was promised a collaspe & where the F*CK is it?

[BadJuju]

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Probably shouldn't follow Max Keiser.

[Milton Kuo]

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I suspect you have already seen this but a remake of Blake's 7 is going to air on Syfy. Perhaps that cheers you up a bit?

[Mega]

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Yes, i know..........but frankly Why?

Do you see ANY revoultiony zeal in today generation?

You don't need "1984" , just take away their iphone & they start crying!
Mike

[FrankL]

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Yes, i know..........but frankly Why?

Do you see ANY revoultiony zeal in today generation?

You don't need "1984" , just take away their iphone & they start crying!
Mike

Today's youth still think they can get the same life their parents enjoyed up to recently. As son as they find out the truth, they'll change their attitude. Give it a few more years...

[BadJuju]

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They won't do anything. They'll either commit suicide or go about living their new lives of drudgery and misery.

[FrankL]

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They won't do anything. They'll either commit suicide or go about living their new lives of drudgery and misery.

the masses might not, but they never do (sheeple). I'm convinced that a small group will do otherwise and lead the way.

[astonas]

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the masses might not, but they never do (sheeple). I'm convinced that a small group will do otherwise and lead the way.

Intriguing. What causes you to be so convinced? Is this a statement of personal philosophy (which is perfectly fine, given the topic) or is there something specific that you see that I'm missing? I'm not necessarily disagreeing with your assessment per se, but after seeing OWS come and go, it is less than obvious to me that a critical mass can be raised to enact meaningful change, even in the presence of some pretty big abuses.

Do you know individuals willing to step up and lead a revolution today? Where might these be found? And if not today, then what threshold of abuses will be required to see them emerge in numbers in the future?

Social movements require not only motivation, but a conception of a path to get from the present point A to a desired point B. I am concerned that the motivation might well be there, but the path appears to have been systematically and deliberately obliterated.

[BadJuju]

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the masses might not, but they never do (sheeple). I'm convinced that a small group will do otherwise and lead the way.

I don't think so this time. The system, like astonas said, has it locked down. And there simply isn't enough to go around to make a new start if the world decides to shake things up the old way. I'd say enjoy the time we got left because there surely isn't much more out there that will be worth living a damn.

[FrankL]

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this is purely my personal living philosophy, based on the types of people I've met in my life. But I sure hope you're wrong, as it paints a very depressing future.

I think a lot of people intuitively know things are not good, but lack the insight or eloquence to word it, or to draw out the path to get out of it. If even a very small group of people get together that can provide that for the above mentioned group, then they will follow. The masses in turn follow regardless of the ideology or path proposed, as long as there is something to follow, and a lot of people are doing it (they don't want to be left behind).

On the other hand, the small group that leads the way can also have intentions that might not be that positive, as we've seen in the past.

[astonas]

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this is purely my personal living philosophy, based on the types of people I've met in my life. But I sure hope you're wrong, as it paints a very depressing future.

So do I! I'm not at all pleased with my conclusion. I'm just finding it hard to envision an alternative at the moment.

I think a lot of people intuitively know things are not good, but lack the insight or eloquence to word it, or to draw out the path to get out of it. If even a very small group of people get together that can provide that for the above mentioned group, then they will follow. The masses in turn follow regardless of the ideology or path proposed, as long as there is something to follow, and a lot of people are doing it (they don't want to be left behind).

I agree. Whichever group can identify a reasonable-sounding path to improving things is in a position to quickly gain a lot of followers. The flaw of OWS was not its expression of discontent, but that it couldn't find a message to articulate that could actually be implemented.

On the other hand, the small group that leads the way can also have intentions that might not be that positive, as we've seen in the past.

That is the part that scares me most. When people have little hope they don't start committing suicide, or begin believing in nothing. Nihilism is a luxury for the well-off.

No, as EJ says, people become willing to believe in anything at all.

If no reasonable real path is to be found, the choices left are unreasonable real paths (violent uprising) or reasonable-sounding but illusory paths (false or flawed ideologies). Often the two get combined and feed off one another. Such is the ultimate effect of regulatory capture and subversion of the democratic process. It can be postponed with bread and circuses, but not forever.

[BadJuju]

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That is the part that scares me most. When people have little hope they don't start committing suicide, or begin believing in nothing. Nihilism is a luxury for the well-off.

Nihilism seems like the only rational choice at this point. And believing what you think about people's pre-disposition to latch onto any fool's cause is all the more reason to be nihilistic. People just lie to themselves to find sense and meaning where there is none.

[FrankL]

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Nihilism seems like the only rational choice at this point. And believing what you think about people's pre-disposition to latch onto any fool's cause is all the more reason to be nihilistic. People just lie to themselves to find sense and meaning where there is none.

Astonas: note that I think the bleak feature is indeed possible, but I believe in the mechanisms proposed above, and have met some people who I believe are possibly capable of enacting this path. For me this is enough to hope and maybe participate myself to try and prove others wrong.

btw. I think nihilism (and often but not necessarily atheism) is a luxury of a decadent society. Religion is not born out of 'a rational choice', but rather a necessity to provide spiritual guidance when required, as well as a form of organizing communities that generally (but not necessarily always) benefit them. I wonder how church attendance figures / religious worship evolved during the great depression, and if it would support my theory.