Hand gun

[strittmatter]

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have you prepared the body armor and bullet proof car?

almost there.........

[Guest]

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Two years ago there was zero talk about guns and self defense on iTulip. This preoccupation and enthusiasm has come in with a whole new crop of members. I preferred the general tenor of the previous crop, when it came to their view of the intrinsic fascination of this topic. Why don't you guys keep your gun enthusiasms elsewhere? Don;t know if you are aware of it, but you are imparting a certain "tone and color" to these pages with this ongoing celebration. "I love my gun", because of it's "smooth action". Sounds slightly dumbed down to this reader as an integral part of a "finance/econ" webiste. Why don't you guys take this conversation to a gun club? Is it really a profound part of iTulip's economic analysis? When was the last time you read EJ, or Finster, or JK or the other original contributors discussing their gun collections? Bart mentioned it a day or two ago, but he was only joking around. The point being, this community was nowhere near these kinds of enthusiasms two years ago - and the tone of this website has changed because you've all brought this celebration in here as a "vital part of the discussion". It sure isn't, to this reader.

[FRED]

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Two years ago there was zero talk about guns and self defense on iTulip. This preoccupation and enthusiasm has come in with a whole new crop of members. I preferred the general tenor of the previous crop, when it came to their view of the intrinsic fascination of this topic. Why don't you guys keep your gun enthusiasms elsewhere? Don;t know if you are aware of it, but you are imparting a certain "tone and color" to these pages with this ongoing celebration. "I love my gun", because of it's "smooth action". Sounds slightly obscene to this reader. Why don't you guys take this conversation to a gun club? Is it really a profound part of iTulip's economic analysis? When was the last time you read EJ, or Finster, or JK or the other original contributors discussing their gun collections? Bart mentioned it a day or two ago, but he was only joking around. The point being, this community was nowhere near these kinds of enthusiasms two years ago - and the tone of this website has changed because you've all brought this celebration in here as a "vital part of the discussion". It sure isn't, to this reader.

That's why this is in Rant and Rave, specifically in the Lost My Mind sub-forum.

Now where's my Glock.

[strittmatter]

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there...........



happy?

[Guest]

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Here's a follow on comment from another iTuliper in response to Fred (fittingly, from the "America will collapse" thread).

http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...83567#poststop

[Guest]

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Aldous Huxley did not wear a Glock. :rolleyes:

That's why this is in Rant and Rave, specifically in the Lost My Mind sub-forum.

Now where's my Glock.

[Sharky]

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Why don't you guys keep your gun enthusiasms elsewhere? Don;t know if you are aware of it, but you are imparting a certain "tone and color" to these pages with this ongoing celebration.

Just as you are imparting a certain "tone and color" by suggesting what's appropriate to discuss here and what isn't.

Besides, who's celebrating?

[Jay]

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Two years ago there was zero talk about guns and self defense on iTulip. This preoccupation and enthusiasm has come in with a whole new crop of members. I preferred the general tenor of the previous crop, when it came to their view of the intrinsic fascination of this topic. Why don't you guys keep your gun enthusiasms elsewhere? Don;t know if you are aware of it, but you are imparting a certain "tone and color" to these pages with this ongoing celebration. "I love my gun", because of it's "smooth action". Sounds slightly dumbed down to this reader as an integral part of a "finance/econ" webiste. Why don't you guys take this conversation to a gun club? Is it really a profound part of iTulip's economic analysis? When was the last time you read EJ, or Finster, or JK or the other original contributors discussing their gun collections? Bart mentioned it a day or two ago, but he was only joking around. The point being, this community was nowhere near these kinds of enthusiasms two years ago - and the tone of this website has changed because you've all brought this celebration in here as a "vital part of the discussion". It sure isn't, to this reader.

Luke, as FRED pointed out, this is in Rant and Rave for a reason. I put it there to mitigate upset from the non-gun crowd; I didn't want to change the tenor of other conversations going on. That being said, I feel that it is a valid discussion, especially in light of the shift towards the belief that a possibility of hyperinflation now exists. That world is one which could be dangerous. I am not a gun fan, was raised in a non-gun, even anti-gun, home and yet think this purchase is a prudent decision on many levels. Right now the cost of insurance for a hyperinflationary event is still cheap. If we are unlucky enough to live through hyperinflation the availability of a gun and ammo will be difficult to non-existant. I respect deeply your feelings towards guns and also those of anyone else that may see things differently. And, again, I thank all the members, long timers and newbies, for your input. I'm now working on that .600 Nitro, and am hoping for a Care Bears version.
Cheers.

[marvenger]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t15FZlFMXs8

[goadam1]

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My common sense wife recently suggested we take shooting lessons. She is hugely anti-gun and then she asks if we can take shooting lessons. Now, it wasn't hard to talk her into the gold coins, but is all the itulip talk seeping in and coming out guns? Or is it the tenor of the times?

[jtabeb]

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For my little one, money is no object. As long as I can get the My Little Pony logo on the ammo, too, though. I don't think she'll be interested if it's just plain lead and copper.

Maybe I can set up a birthday party for her at the range. We can have a My Little Pony theme, with my little pony guns, ammo, and targets. What do you think?

My son is in, he has a STYER AUG in GI JOE GREEN. (I'll bring the SS-109 semi AP ammo)

[marvenger]

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I think thats a good question. my two cents is that I know people in south africa who have had their whole family wiped out. For instance my uncles best mate lost his grandmother, mother and two sisters when robbers broke into their house abducted all of them, put them in the boot of the car, drove off somewhere and shot them all while they were all inside. That's the worst instance i've heard of but there's plenty more grotesque stories, so I can understand wanting to own a gun as it could come in handy. Having said that, I don't think the US is nearly as bad as SA so I think you guys might be inviting trouble. The other thing is that the guys in SA that I think have the most quality of life are the ones that don't own guns, take the view that if someone breaks in and kills them there's probably not much they could do about it anyway. They live life fairly simply with everything they need in the house but nothing over the top and have insurance just in case of a break in, don't bother with massive security systems etc. I think these guys attitude also helps them avoid trouble for the most part. But the important qualifier here is that most people who live like this are single or retired and don't have a family to protect, but not all. Point is I can understand wanting to protect your family.

[lakedaemonian]

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A couple people have mentioned the need for appropriate training before a firearm is purchased.

I haven't seen anyone suggest purchasing a training pistol/rifle.

I strongly believe the first rifle and the first pistol purchased should be one chambered for .22LR.

The cost of the firearm, the cost of the ammunition, and the ease of training due to lower recoil and noise signature makes for a less stressful experience for beginners, as well as affordable ongoing training for even the most experienced.

Lots of discussion about which firearm and which calibre is best....beyond just training for safe handling is a constant need to develop and maintain what is ultimately a perishable skill.....which even amongst professionals and civilian competitive shooters......dulling the skillset quickly.

Consistant training is necessary to maintain even a basic competency.

I believe 99% of people can physically do so safely and easily....but few bother to actually gain or maintain their appropriate level of shooting skillset.

I've carried and used firearms on operations, and I shoot competitively.

The adversary to fear is not someone who will argue about the minutiae of firearm/calibre endlessly and has a bigger collection than Charleton Heston.

The adversary to fear is the one who's single firearm, combined with regular training, has become an extention of his/her hand....even if it's only a .22LR

Firearms are merely tools....the firefight is almost always won LONG before it's even started.

Just my 0.02c

[metalman]

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A couple people have mentioned the need for appropriate training before a firearm is purchased.

I haven't seen anyone suggest purchasing a training pistol/rifle.

I strongly believe the first rifle and the first pistol purchased should be one chambered for .22LR.

The cost of the firearm, the cost of the ammunition, and the ease of training due to lower recoil and noise signature makes for a less stressful experience for beginners, as well as affordable ongoing training for even the most experienced.

Lots of discussion about which firearm and which calibre is best....beyond just training for safe handling is a constant need to develop and maintain what is ultimately a perishable skill.....which even amongst professionals and civilian competitive shooters......dulling the skillset quickly.

Consistant training is necessary to maintain even a basic competency.

I believe 99% of people can physically do so safely and easily....but few bother to actually gain or maintain their appropriate level of shooting skillset.

I've carried and used firearms on operations, and I shoot competitively.

The adversary to fear is not someone who will argue about the minutiae of firearm/calibre endlessly and has a bigger collection than Charleton Heston.

The adversary to fear is the one who's single firearm, combined with regular training, has become an extention of his/her hand....even if it's only a .22LR

Firearms are merely tools....the firefight is almost always won LONG before it's even started.

Just my 0.02c

wow. looks like we have the grg of self defense here. welcome

i own firearms to level the playing field. most armed attackers can safely assume that their target is not armed. most will give up asap when they see that they are wrong and you are armed. that takes care of 90%....show the weapon in a way that demonstrates you know how to use it and they will take off fast.

if you are shooting from a distance you are in trouble with the law, if you are shooting close up that is because your attacker is suicidal.

the most under-reported gun statistic is 'no shots fired, perp runs away'.

i think in terms of probabilities. that's why i carry.

[marvenger]

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yeah fair enough, I know zilch about guns, I doubt that most gun owners are as sensible as you in understanding what its there for though