What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

[Guest]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

$#* - why is it that you desperately need an audience with whom to share your brilliant plays? Why not just keep them under your hat, and make a million with them yourself?

Well, ... Fred was gracious enogh, to put a locked copy of the original thread back on news (metalman's semi-crooked solution was adopted.

I would like to know if I can continue my 'asshat' explanations about what is the best way to play oil in the current environment, or the subject is deeemed 'verboten' and idea-monopoly and anything I will write on an 'ITulip thesis' subject will be appropiated in the subscription area?

[Sharky]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Yet when it comes to managing your money, you turn into a tightwad on the insurance policies?

One aspect of money management is getting value for what you pay, whether that's $2, $200 or $2M. I have no problem paying $200/yr for quality advice -- or even for the opportunity to participate in quality discussions.

The problem is, that's not what Select is all about, now is it?

[Guest]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Sharky - select iTulip is effectively the place where people can put some money in the "contributions" box for the cost of keeping this entire website going. You get tremendous value from the public pages, where EJ posts a great number of solid articles. Just his "sell everything" call alone, which was freely deposited to the public pages without quibbling about nickel and dime money, has likely saved any iTulipers that followed it a very large part of their savings. Look at this entire website, both public and private pages, and ask yourself if you are getting $200 of value a year out of it. If you have to ponder this point for more than a minute, I'd suggest you are seriously bemused. The actionable calls are few, they are very concise, and the basic principles of money management underpinning them are the most sober of anyone I've read, and I've read dozens of market newsletters. EJ's advice is a class act, plain and simple. And lest anyone accuse me of being sycophantic I will note that I've spent a great deal of my time here poking holes in dozens of iTulip arguments. The notion that you have to "ponder" whether there is $200 worth of intelligence on these pages frankly raises my blood pressure a little bit.

Respectfully.

One aspect of money management is getting value for what you pay, whether that's $2, $200 or $2M. I have no problem paying $200/yr for quality advice -- or even for the opportunity to participate in quality discussions.

The problem is, that's not what Select is all about, now is it?

[sishya]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Meanwhile the page with my contribution can be found in google cache here:

http://74.125.95.132/search?q=cache:...hp%3Fp%3D85396

My original message was:

I wanted to further explain to Sharky (who is a non subscriber) what are the intricacies and traps of the ETN/ETF trade and how can one make sure that by using to his own advantage the pair decay phenomenon so that if the ETF/ETN survives he will make more money than from the normal index increase, and if the ETF/ETN fails ... well... it's 100% perfectly safe profits.

Now, if I write a long post about that, probably it will be moved swiftly in the subscriber area and the subscribers will see it pays off to get proprietary information. That is available only in the subscriber area ( or in Google cache or provided by 'asshats' when they are allowed to talk freely before the information harvest)

I agree. Non-subscribers posts should be open to everyone. Though I am a Subscriber after I check for any EJ's psot, I do a Search->Advanced Search->$#*, to get any insights from your posts like EJ's. When you say - short the Ultrashort ETF's inorder to go long, it makes sense since the values of such pairs SRS/URE, SKF/UYG etc reflect that.

[Guest]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Doubtless an elegantly conservative piece of investing advice [not] - which i would not approach with a barge-pole even with my wildly speculative money. It looks gaudy, like a wet piece of red glass lying on the beach, which the ocean waves have just washed over - looks like a shining, exotic ruby stone, almost - but when you deploy money into it you later recognize the risk-reward in this as a bonafide investing strategy is long on flashiness, and short on risk-reward. This is trademark $#*. I see it has you completely dazzled Shishya. Why is this brilliant market analyst struggling with himself over a $200 subscription here? Maybe ithat represents a large commitment, eh?

I agree. Non-subscribers posts should be open to everyone. Though I am a Subscriber after I check for any EJ's psot, I do a Search->Advanced Search->$#*, to get any insights from your posts like EJ's. When you say - short the Ultrashort ETF's inorder to go long, it makes sense since the values of such pairs SRS/URE, SKF/UYG etc reflect that.

[Andreuccio]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

I would like to know if I can continue my 'asshat' explanations about what is the best way to play oil in the current environment,

I'm certain Metalman did not mean you when he used the term "asshat". My reading was that although there are plenty of intelligent commentators, you being a great example, in the free area, it is also open to anyone who wants to post anything they want, even if it's off topic, inane, trollish, whatever. People posting those types of things would be the "Asshats". The subscription price keeps most of that riff raff out of the paid area, with a few exceptions, me being a great example.

[Master Shake]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

$#* - why is it that you desperately need an audience with whom to share your brilliant plays? Why not just keep them under your hat, and make a million with them yourself?

Well, his "brilliant plays" and analyses seem to pan out more than yours.

;)

Keep 'em coming Symbols.

[Guest]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Sorry soda shake. The notion that shorting an ultra short fund in order to go long is a play suitable for the average investor seems somewhat lost on you. Is this lost on you perhaps? I don't offer any "brilliant plays" - as this kind of foolishness would be a land mine I would constantly fret about being answerable for. As far as I recall, I offer no investing advice at all - other than to suggest what I'm leary of in a global recession as treacherous as this one. There are a ton of flaky investment advisors out there, some even with formerly sterling reputations such as Stephen Leeb, whom I used to much admire - and they are squirrelling around proposing all sorts of acrobatics in order to extract rapacious dividends from the markets. $#*'s actionable ideas are far more speculative than even the formerly conservative Stephen Leeb. If you cannot spot the signature of "gadfly investing" ideas, then you deserve everything such ideas have to offer. This sort of thing is not a classy investment idea, at all.

Well, his "brilliant plays" and analyses seem to pan out more than yours.

;)

Keep 'em coming Symbols.

[sishya]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Doubtless an elegantly conservative piece of investing advice [not] - which i would not approach with a barge-pole even with my wildly speculative money. It looks gaudy, like a wet piece of red glass lying on the beach, which the ocean waves have just washed over - looks like a shining, exotic ruby stone, almost - but when you deploy money into it you later recognize the risk-reward in this as a bonafide investing strategy is long on flashiness, and short on risk-reward. This is trademark $#*. I see it has you completely dazzled Shishya. Why is this brilliant market analyst struggling with himself over a $200 subscription here? Maybe ithat represents a large commitment, eh?

I do not take anyone's analysis or even paid investment advice at face value and tend to use my own risk/reward notion before making a move. Only felt that the Quality of post by people like $#*, Bart, Finster are superior to many others because the one's you get from TV media have turned out to be wrong as we see. I guess I am not the only one who feels like that. Something Major is happening before our Eyes, which we are not able to explain and some people are volunteering to explain that. Also as I said, nothing is taken as written in Gold.

[Sharky]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Sharky - select iTulip is effectively the place where people can put some money in the "contributions" box for the cost of keeping this entire website going.

I've run vB forums much larger than this one, including dedicated servers, etc. The fixed costs to "keep it going" are relatively small. Even so, if the fee structure was set up as a donation and if Select didn't exist, I personally would be much more inclined to contribute -- because I do value the content here.

One problem is that when I post, I'm interested in feedback from the broad public audience. I'm also more interested in reading topics that have public feedback. So it seems to me that paying a subscription fee that indirectly encourages others to post in a non-public area that's shielded from the public feedback that I value may not be in my best interest.

On the other hand, I do value EJs articles and the interviews -- and I suppose that alone might be enough to get me to sign up for another month or more at some point.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that there's a difference to me between information and discussion. I'm happy to pay for good information, but not for (most) discussion.

[ASH]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

The subscription price keeps most of that riff raff out of the paid area, with a few exceptions, me being a great example.

Yeah -- I have it on good authority that iTulip raised their subscription price for the select area specifically to dissuade me from posting there. Unfortunately, that didn't work, so I think the next move will be an update to the "ignore" tool causing it to default to my handle!

[Guest]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

IMO Finster has been notably wrong on several of his largest themes - for instance that the price of petroleum is a pure product of the fiat currency unit, which is demonstrably simplistic, yet which he has clung to through thick and thin. $#* has been wildly off the mark and continues to be, on a wide variety of his themes. You wish to suggest this guy's advice is golden, while he espouses views which incorporate Bilderberger plots, be my guest. The degree of folly nested within such a world view puts me on my extreme guard against accepting *any* of the advice from someone who frankly believes Henry Kissinger is one of the masterminds of a world banking plot. You can keep that bilge, and all the other dazzling advice that comes with it, from a believer in world conspiracies. The guy may be sophisticated, but he's floating a couple of inches off the ground. And the inflamed sense of self importance that comes with having "pearls of wisdom" on investing strategies "improperly appropriated" by iTulip merely gives me a headache, given that such concerns are voiced by someone who will do their level best to persuade you that the Queen of England is an honorary member of the largest concerted plot in world history. Mind the quality of your sources.

I do not take anyone's analysis or even paid investment advice at face value and tend to use my own risk/reward notion before making a move. Only felt that the Quality of post by people like $#*, Bart, Finster are superior to many others because the one's you get from TV media have turned out to be wrong as we see. I guess I am not the only one who feels like that. Something Major is happening before our Eyes, which we are not able to explain and some people are volunteering to explain that. Also as I said, nothing is taken as written in Gold.

[mcgurme]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

Metalman,
I was debating whether to renew. Your attitude single-handedly convinced me that I'm not going to renew, since it seems representative of iTulip policy. What dreck.

first, Favorite ways of trading long oil was started by sharky and is still there. who knows why it wasn't moved and the 'oil' thread was.

second, due_diligence started the oil thread that was moved... if anyone oughta get pissy about it it's him.

third, demanding the right to free-load off the costs of developing a subscriber base crosses a big moral threshold.

try this analogy. you're in the front room of a private club with a bunch of guys, some have paid a cover and others not. some of them start to talk about topics that they paid to join the club to discuss... with non asshats, moderated, and so on. management adjourns them to the back room where the discussion can be managed without the intrusion of asshats and silly comments that make everyone go 'ugh! i paid for this?' yeh, some non subscribers get left behind. so what.

that said, it'd be more elegant to copy the thread to the subscriber area then close the original but leave it up.

[Guest]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

I've run vB forums much larger than this one, including dedicated servers, etc. The fixed costs to "keep it going" are relatively small.

Please discern the relevant point. No one is talking about the "cost to keep the servers running". That is merely obtuse. It is the value of the research provided - do a rough guesstimate in your mind how many man hours go into the charted market research alone mate. Us the noggin - $200 a year for those schlepping man-hours required just for producing the market data alone is not too far removed from chump change. You are comparing this to a place where you ran a vB forum much larger? :p What was the content there? Just a free for all, or some people in the background doing a little market research, and with the draw to bring in virtually anyone they wanted for an interview?

Totting up the cost of "running servers for a much larger community elsewhere" and trying to get a fix on iTulip's value from the "server costs"? Are we awake here, or asleep? Yeesh. This has been a very interesting thread. Lots of people don't appear to have a clue whether they are getting any value from this place. I think those who are entertaining doubts really should just sort of wander off. Try your fortune somewhere else guys. I've never, ever endorsed the idea of inviting people here to "go elsewhere" - whenever I read it being mouthed by others here I'd react and say, "hey, that's not appropriate language". But in this case, it's entirely apt. You people who are mired in this "value assessment predicament" really should just pull up the tent poles and move your caravans along. Maybe the next watering hole will be more fortunate for you. :p

[Supercilious]

Re: What happened to "Favorite ways of trading long oil"?

The notion that you have to "ponder" whether there is $200 worth of intelligence on these pages frankly raises my blood pressure a little bit.

Lukester, we all know your blood pressure is too raised and usually this results in extremely valuable contributions well in excess of 5000 words. First, I would suggest that if you want to contribute more to the value provided by the Itulip select area you should post there your extremely concise and very logical posts only as subscriber content. This would be an extra incentive for people to rush to get a membership.

One of the things that makes me still ponder if I should get a subscription is that the select content would be way too elevated for my limited level of understanding and I would feel embarrassed for not being able to make any sense out of smart people like you are saying. I prefer to stay in the 'peanut gallery' area and participate in low level debates with other non-subscribers, or even with other subscribers who are aware of their own limited intellect because they keep searching for the true cause of oil price increases in monetary phenomenons (Check the visitor messages here). Of course you are always right and Finster has no clue what is he talking about. We all understand that,

Frankly Lukester the idea of bumping all the time in debates with you and metalman in the concentrated/select subscriber area gives me shivers.

@ CharlesTMungerFan: I appreciate your initial suggestion of serving a Take down and Put Back provision notice, but I believe this would have been too extreme. I'm sure that EJ will correct soon this overzealous and misguided content moderation, and bring swiftly things back to the high standards we are used to and expect from iTulip.

I agree. Non-subscribers posts should be open to everyone. Though I am a Subscriber after I check for any EJ's psot, I do a Search->Advanced Search->$#*, to get any insights from your posts like EJ's. When you say - short the Ultrashort ETF's inorder to go long, it makes sense since the values of such pairs SRS/URE, SKF/UYG etc reflect that.

sishya, thanks, I'm flattered. I just try to do my best to increase the value of the iTulip content. If a few select members find my posts useful or entertaining in their ignorance, that is increased value.

(PS Lukester, would you please be so king to not divert/troll this thread with Lukester's grudge against $#*, the Peak Oil Blasphemer? Can you open please another thread focused on your insights about the real causes of me not paying a subscription? Wouldn't be great if you open this thread in the Select area?)