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    Summary: Commentaries concerning the scientific 'absolute limits' of this or that are in fact social commentaries. They assume a number of social value judgements such as the 'acceptable' distribution of resources/the prioritization of needs, the value of various natural and unnatural phenomena, and so forth. Thus ultimately these must be rejected because they are nothing more than attempts to close down discussion over social issues via science rather than true physics based constraints like the speed of light. Social issues are ones which society decides on a course of action via an examination of tradeoffs rather than a single 'best course' - because there is no 'best choice' in the eyes of most members of said society.

    http://rogerpielkejr.blogspot.com/20...llenarian.html

    by Steve Rayner

    The idea that we are collectively on the brink of overstepping “planetary boundaries” that will render civilization unsustainable has been prominently propounded by a group of scholars around Johan Rockström of the Stockholm Resilience Centre. In common with other scientific catastrophists, Rockström et al make much of the claim by Nobel prizewinning chemist, Paul Crutzen (2002) that the earth has entered a new geological period, the Anthropocene “in which human actions have become the main driver of global change” that “could see human activities push the Earth system outside the stable environment state of the Holocene with consequences that are detrimental or even catastrophic for large parts of the world” (Rockström et al 2009:472). A few sentences further on they assert that:
    Many subsystems of Earth react in a non-linear, often abrupt, way and are particularly sensitive around the threshold levels of certain key variables. If these variables are crossed then important subsystems, such as a monsoon system, could shift into a new state, often with deleterious or potentially even disastrous consequences of humans…. Most of these thresholds can be defined by a critical value for one or more control variables, such as carbon dioxide concentrations.


    The authors go on to identify nine such planetary boundaries, two of which, the nitrogen cycle and biodiversity loss, they claim have already been transgressed with climate change rapidly approaching the point of no return.

    Subsequently, 18 past winners of the Blue Planet Prize published a report warning that civilization faces a “perfect storm” of ecological problems driven by overpopulation, overconsumption, and environmentally damaging technologies (Bruntland et al 2012). These ideas echo the Malthusian arguments of the Limits-to- Growth, Small-is-Beautiful movements of the 1960s and 70s. The notion of impending cataclysmic events with dystopian outcomes is frequently invoked not only by environmental NGOs but also by policymakers in highly public forums. Examples include the UNFCCC, the World Economic Forum in Davos, the European Parliament, and recently at Planet Under Pressure, a major conference in London designed to feed into the 2012 Rio Plus 20 summit, which opened with one of the Blue Planet prize winners setting the catastrophist tone. “Reality” and “nature” were frequently invoked as the impetus for radical action. In the words of Anne Glover, the Chief Science Advisor to the European Commission, “The facts just are.” All the while, “society” was blamed for failing to respond to the urgent messages of scientists and campaigners, and social scientists chided for failing to market the natural scientists’ warnings effectively.



    The rhetoric employed in the plenary sessions was especially striking in its efforts to establish the present as a uniquely defining moment for the future of humanity requiring urgent action on a global scale which seems slow in coming. Nobel laureate Elinor Ostrom declared that, “We have never faced a challenge this big.” Johan Rockström drove home the point claiming that “We are the first generation to know we are truly putting the future of civilization at risk.” Apparently, those who lived through the Second World War or the prospect of mutual nuclear annihilation in the 1960s were deluded in their estimation of the challenge they faced or the consequences for civilization, to say nothing of Old Testament prophets who only had the authority of God that destruction was imminent if people did not mend their wicked ways. Lest there be any doubt that behavioural change was the goal, Dutch political scientist Frank Biermann spelled out the imperative that “The Anthropocene requires new thinking” and “The Anthropocene requires new lifestyles.”

    Indeed, the rhetorics of the Anthropocene, tipping points, and planetary limits have all three characteristic features of traditional millenarianism that I identified in an early study of the credibility of millenarian prophesies among small Marxist splinter groups, long before I turned my attention to environmental issues (Rayner 1982). These are the foreshortening of time (the claim that catastrophe is imminent), the compression of space (the assertion that the earth is a closed system), and an egalitarian concern for the plight of the weak and vulnerable.

    In keeping with egalitarian advocacy, a radical redistribution of certain key resources is needed: the dramatic cut in the use of fossil fuels upon which industrialised economies are based. Moreover the advocates’ preferred strategy is presented as the only course of action that will let humanity avoid its fate.



    At first sight, the contemporary resurgence in catastrophist thinking might be understood as a response to improvements in our understanding of critical earth systems resulting from research-led improvements in scientific understanding. However, I have not been able to identify any new empirical studies to justify the claim that, “Although Earth’s complex systems sometimes respond smoothly to changing pressures, it seems that this will prove to be the exception rather than the rule.” (Rockström et al 2009:472). Leading ecologists have long suggested that the general assertions of systems theorists that “everything is connected to everything else” and “you can’t change just one thing” are actually less robust than is often claimed. It seems that most species in many ecosystems are actually quite redundant and can be removed without any loss of overall ecosystems character or function (e.g., Lawton 1991, but for a contrasting view, see Gitay et al 1996). While it is doubtless the case that there are many non-linear relationships in natural systems, it is another matter as to whether non-linearity dominates and whether we should, as a matter of course, expect to find tipping points everywhere. Indeed, a recent review challenges Rockström et al.’s claims, arguing that out of the planetary boundaries posited, only three genuinely represent truly global biophysical thresholds, the passing of which could be expected to result in non-linear changes (Blomqvist et al, 2012).

    The same report also challenges the idea that the planetary boundaries constitute “non-negotiable thresholds”. The identification of the planetary boundaries is dependent on the normative assumptions made, for example, concerning the value of biodiversity and the desirability of the Holocene. Rather than non-negotiables, humanity faces a system of trade-offs - not only economic, but moral and aesthetic as well. Deciding how to balance these trade-offs is a matter of political contestation (Blomqvist et al, 2012:37). What counts as “unacceptable environmental change” is not a matter of scientific fact, but involves judgments concerning the value of the things to be affected by the potential changes. The framing of planetary boundaries as being scientifically derived non-negotiable limits, obscures the inherent normativity of deciding how to react to environmental change. Presenting human values as facts of nature is an effective political strategy to shut down debate.
    Last edited by c1ue; April 16, 2013, 10:49 AM.

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    the hotter, the better?

    He articulated it very well. Catastrophic, millinerian thinking, with little theoretical or empirical basis.

    This is well satirized in the Ian Mc Coen novel "Solar".

    This tipping point thing is really absurd for the most part, and you hear it all the time, even from EO wilson in "social conquest of earth".

    Wilson lives in Massachusetts. He needs to visit where I live, in South Carolina. It is standing room only for vegetation here, and we have animals ranging from no-see-ums up to Alligators. It is a lot hotter here than Massachusetts, at least in the winter.

    Now where my brother lives in Florida, they have even more gators, and if you walk a mile,
    you can see Manattees floating in the drainage ditch between rows of houses. So many you could walk the ditch by stepping on their backs. And guess what, the human population density is even higher there, as well.

    So the hotter it is, the more plants and animals there seem to be. So if it warms up a few degrees, I have a hard time seeing that as a planetary crisis. It might drive up or A/C bills, though.

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      Re: the hotter, the better?

      That's because you are not a climate scientist.

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      • #4
        Re: the hotter, the better?

        Originally posted by BadJuju View Post
        That's because you are not a climate scientist.
        Are you?
        you may be right - - not being a climate scientist prevents the cognitive biases that crop up when one's career, livelihood and reputation are based on espousing (or at least not deviating too much from) a single political correct viewpoint, and allows one to actually think and not be constrained to models and viewpoints which only confirm/support the current anthropogenic climate change doomsday dogma

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          Re: the hotter, the better?

          Originally posted by vinoveri View Post
          Are you?
          you may be right - - not being a climate scientist prevents the cognitive biases that crop up when one's career, livelihood and reputation are based on espousing (or at least not deviating too much from) a single political correct viewpoint, and allows one to actually think and not be constrained to models and viewpoints which only confirm/support the current anthropogenic climate change doomsday dogma
          That's the perspective taken up in "Solar", which could be summarized as,


          "People will believe anything, if there's a paycheck in it."

          We also ought not forget the experiments of Solomon Ashe, which showed an overwhelming tendency to conform.

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            Re: A very cogent comment on 'planetary boundaries'

            The point about this article isn't specifically about climate science - although climate science is the latest area where this type of demagoguery is being employed.

            The point of the article is that the precept that a warming planet (even if true, and even if caused by human derived CO2 or anything else) being bad is a social judgment, not a scientific one.

            Science has nothing to do with judgment of whether an outcome is good or bad.

            Put another way: if 'stopping climate change' meant 10 million dead babies (due to increased energy costs feeding into higher food cost, in turn leading to greatly increased infant mortality throughout the poor of the world), would we want to stop climate change? The decision to stop climate change is therefore not one based on science, but on whether society deems the 10 million dead babies worth the effect (stopped climate change).

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              Re: A very cogent comment on 'planetary boundaries'

              Originally posted by c1ue View Post
              The point about this article isn't specifically about climate science - although climate science is the latest area where this type of demagoguery is being employed.

              The point of the article is that the precept that a warming planet (even if true, and even if caused by human derived CO2 or anything else) being bad is a social judgment, not a scientific one.

              Science has nothing to do with judgment of whether an outcome is good or bad.

              Put another way: if 'stopping climate change' meant 10 million dead babies (due to increased energy costs feeding into higher food cost, in turn leading to greatly increased infant mortality throughout the poor of the world), would we want to stop climate change? The decision to stop climate change is therefore not one based on science, but on whether society deems the 10 million dead babies worth the effect (stopped climate change).
              +1.

              Clearly logical and well said.

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              • #8
                Re: the hotter, the better?

                Climate scientists are paid in grants. Grants are allocated for unanswered questions. It is in a climate scientists best interest to NOT CONCLUDE about the climate and to say 'it requires more research'. Climate scientists take a stand AGAINST their financial best interest and agree to be fortune tellers instead of scientists because of a sense of morality. I have never seen a climate scientist get ahead in their academic field for becoming political, it makes no sense, it erodes their credibility. You try to stay objective, but looking at the data day in and day out that is just so frightening and dismal gets to you. You want to do more, even though you know it isn't your place as a scientist. You are still a human being. And the data is very, very, frightening. Not because of what we know, but because of what we don't know. When you study science you know how much you don't know, and how precarious it all is, and how it could all be catastrophically bad so easily when you change a system so aggressively.

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                  Re: the hotter, the better?

                  Originally posted by Jill Nephew View Post
                  Climate scientists are paid in grants. Grants are allocated for unanswered questions. It is in a climate scientists best interest to NOT CONCLUDE about the climate and to say 'it requires more research'. Climate scientists take a stand AGAINST their financial best interest and agree to be fortune tellers instead of scientists because of a sense of morality. I have never seen a climate scientist get ahead in their academic field for becoming political, it makes no sense, it erodes their credibility. You try to stay objective, but looking at the data day in and day out that is just so frightening and dismal gets to you. You want to do more, even though you know it isn't your place as a scientist. You are still a human being. And the data is very, very, frightening. Not because of what we know, but because of what we don't know. When you study science you know how much you don't know, and how precarious it all is, and how it could all be catastrophically bad so easily when you change a system so aggressively.

                  I question this:

                  I have never seen a climate scientist get ahead in their academic field for becoming political, it makes no sense, it erodes their credibility.
                  Couldn't you motivate more grants by fomenting fear of a crisis?

                  If an abundance of papers said "no problem, nothing to worry about", wouldn't that decrease the grants devoted to that subject?

                  I mean, the cancer society never has ads saying "stop worrying about cancer, it's a non-issue".

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                    Re: the hotter, the better?

                    Originally posted by Jill Nephew[QUOTE
                    [Climate scientists are paid in grants. Grants are allocated for unanswered questions. It is in a climate scientists best interest to NOT CONCLUDE about the climate and to say 'it requires more research'.
                    While this makes sense, it also makes sense that grants are awarded to those which cleave most closely to the 'consensus'.

                    Equally it is a false argument to say that climate science - or any other science - is somehow inherently protected against going off in the wrong direction due to fashion or strong personalities/outside agendas. There are any number of examples of this.

                    Originally posted by Jill Nephew
                    Climate scientists take a stand AGAINST their financial best interest and agree to be fortune tellers instead of scientists because of a sense of morality. I have never seen a climate scientist get ahead in their academic field for becoming political, it makes no sense, it erodes their credibility.
                    That's funny you say this - given the literal billions of dollars spent by the US Federal government each year on climate change research.

                    How much is spent on 'climate non-change research'? Zero.

                    It seems clear then that there is a bias toward money spent for change, not money spent for status quo.

                    Equally your comment about climate scientists not being rewarded for being political - this is clearly nonsense given the prominence of individuals like the late Steven Schneider. Yes, the same guy who said that:

                    So we have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified, dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we might have.
                    Originally posted by Jill Nephew
                    You try to stay objective, but looking at the data day in and day out that is just so frightening and dismal gets to you. You want to do more, even though you know it isn't your place as a scientist. You are still a human being. And the data is very, very, frightening. Not because of what we know, but because of what we don't know. When you study science you know how much you don't know, and how precarious it all is, and how it could all be catastrophically bad so easily when you change a system so aggressively.
                    I find it interesting that there is so much data, so much 'aggressive change' as you note above, and yet so little ability to translate this data and 'aggressive change' into either useful or falsifiable outcomes.

                    Be that as it may, the point above - once again - is that whatever the so called effects, the decision to undertake action to mitigate said effects (assuming they are real) is not a scientific one. It is a social or societal one.

                    Any scientist who permits their own inherent social bias to push for a specific social action is, in fact, not being a scientist. They are being a politician.

                    Using science to falsely remove options is not good politics.

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                      Re: the hotter, the better?

                      Originally posted by Jill Nephew View Post
                      Climate scientists are paid in grants. Grants are allocated for unanswered questions. It is in a climate scientists best interest to NOT CONCLUDE about the climate and to say 'it requires more research'. Climate scientists take a stand AGAINST their financial best interest and agree to be fortune tellers instead of scientists because of a sense of morality. I have never seen a climate scientist get ahead in their academic field for becoming political, it makes no sense, it erodes their credibility....
                      It is fashionable at parties though. I have no idea if climate change is claptrap or not, but unflinching belief is almost mandatory in academic and other left leaning circles. That's what bothers me. The groupthink mentality. Any dissension is not tolerated.

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                      • #12
                        Re: A very cogent comment on 'planetary boundaries'

                        Originally posted by c1ue View Post
                        From the article:
                        However, I have not been able to identify any new empirical studies to justify the claim that, “Although Earth’s complex systems sometimes respond smoothly to changing pressures, it seems that this will prove to be the exception rather than the rule.” (Rockström et al 2009:472).


                        IIRC, studies of Greenland ice cores found quite dramatic shifts in climate occurring within a period of a decade or so. While that may not be "the rule", is that not justification for concern about "tipping points"?
                        raja
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                          Re: A very cogent comment on 'planetary boundaries'

                          Originally posted by raja View Post


                          IIRC, studies of Greenland ice cores found quite dramatic shifts in climate occurring within a period of a decade or so. While that may not be "the rule", is that not justification for concern about "tipping points"?
                          Some of the fast changes in climate resulted from asteroid impacts of super volcano explosions.

                          Volcano effects only last a few years, though.

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                            Re: A very cogent comment on 'planetary boundaries'

                            "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function."

                            - usually attributed to Edward Teller, but more likely from Albert A. Bartlett

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                              Re: A very cogent comment on 'planetary boundaries'

                              Originally posted by raja
                              IIRC, studies of Greenland ice cores found quite dramatic shifts in climate occurring within a period of a decade or so. While that may not be "the rule", is that not justification for concern about "tipping points"?
                              Can you point me to one of these articles?

                              Ice core data in particular is very problematic with regards to a time scale as fine as 1 decade. Snow has to fall, get compressed, then turn to ice. The problem with this process is that you do not know how much snow fell in any given year in the past. On top of this, 'bubbles' trapped in said compressed snow/ice are gases surrounded by a highly permeable layer - it is equally very problematic to say that there cannot be 'leakage' between bubbles, or that a given bubble directly represents the layer it is trapped in (as opposed to all/part of some layer below it).

                              From a high level - i.e. centuries or millenia, there is probably some value.

                              When someone starts saying they can tell what happened in the past in decadal time frames - and accurately - I have to wonder.

                              Originally posted by tabio
                              "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function."

                              - usually attributed to Edward Teller, but more likely from Albert A. Bartlett
                              True exponential functions are pretty rare - and furthermore can be made to appear simply by playing with the scales on a graph.

                              CO2 levels are a prime example. They aren't increasing exponentially in any way imaginable.

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