John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

[globaleconomicollaps]

I contemplated making this a news item, but I think by now pretty much everybody knows who John Williams is and what he has to say.

Today Williams intimated that Obama will not give up the presidency and that in fact Obama will be America's first Caesar. Hyperinflation will induce the administration to create a permanent state of martial law.

If you think I am exaggerating, listen( $1/listen) to it yourself.
This is his hyperinflation report:
http://www.shadowstats.com/article/n...al-report-2012

[thriftyandboringinohio]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

I contemplated making this a news item, but I think by now pretty much everybody knows who John Williams is and what he has to say.

Today Williams intimated that Obama will not give up the presidency and that in fact Obama will be America's first Caesar. Hyperinflation will induce the administration to create a permanent state of martial law.

If you think I am exaggerating, listen( $1/listen) to it yourself.
This is his hyperinflation report:
http://www.shadowstats.com/article/n...al-report-2012

First, I must admit I did not pay the dollar to listen.
Second, I cannot seriously accept that he would attempt this.
Nor can I believe that the American people would stand for it.

Call me naive, but I have more faith than that in all the players in this scenario.
The millions of citizens. The thousand of police and soldiers. The hundreds of politicians and bureaucrats. The dozens of senior officials....

[lektrode]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

well 'he' might not, but 'they' (the 'federal' reserve, the BLSBS et al) sure seem to be heading The Rest of US in that direction.

how else to explain what williams (and mr J, mr bart et al) have been tryng to show us - meaning that the .gov numbers are BS and are meant to do, what - precisely - besides mislead/screw The Rest of US, while they stuff their bad/reckless/failed bets into the black hole known as the fed balance sheet - with the fed members voting themselves free money 'to save the economy'

meanwhile the dept of 'justice' looks the other way?
or puts up some feeble enforcement action that results in a wristslap/pittance of a penalty that barely dimples the 'profit' margins and bonuses of the outfits that have been nailed red-handed with both hands stuffed into the cookie jar.

while the apologists in the media either ignore all this or spin it to suit their teams re-election - which as we've just seen over the past 2 cycles is working perfectly?

[don]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

Sure, we live in a National Security State, with a militarized police force and umpteen means to conventionally crush any domestic opposition. We know that, but there's no reason to bring it out into the open. Soft power has easily corralled the sheeple to date, on balance the best outcome status quo. Obviously the empire has its knickers in a twist,which predictably strengthens the executive. Not the person "at the helm" - hell, he's just a front man for FIRE - but rather the streamlining of political control at the top of the governmental pyramid. It's called crisis efficiency. All the wing nut talk of Obama's Muslim decoder ring, secretly selling off parts of Alaska to Russia . . . please guys, you're embarrassing yourself. There's plenty to critique without sinking into fantasy-land . . .

[lektrode]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

ah mr don - you DO have a way with words, sir.
i'm not usually a fan of the conspiracy du jour crowd, but even you might admit that being "a front man for FIRE" that the current occupant has more than his share of items to critique - than even the prev?

thot it most hilarious that with the recent (over the weekend) revelations of WMD in syria, there hasnt been much in the way of news on this nor commentary/speculation of just where this stuff might've come from? or precisely when it was delivered... since i recall seeing all sorts of speculation of where it might've gone after its prev owner hedged his bet (just before he loaded up the semis with c-notes and setup his hidey-hole)?

[lakedaemonian]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

This is yet another example of where someone with credibility is one area of subject matter expertise, absolutely blows it on another.

What is it about people that makes them think because they have success in one area immediately translates to another?

Hubris is a serious credibility killer......just not sure if that's the specific reason in this case.

If this President or a future President attempted to declare a permanent state of martial law it would immediately lead to a Civil War 2.0 in the US......period.

If someone wanted to argue in support of more slowly boiling of the frog, I would probably support it in a slowly, slowly sense(simply more of the same in terms of violation of civil liberties and freedom), but outright martial law?

Not a chance...because then the militia kooks would be right.

[globaleconomicollaps]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

Sure, we live in a National Security State, with a militarized police force and umpteen means to conventionally crush any domestic opposition. We know that, but there's no reason to bring it out into the open. Soft power has easily corralled the sheeple to date, on balance the best outcome status quo. Obviously the empire has its knickers in a twist,which predictably strengthens the executive. Not the person "at the helm" - hell, he's just a front man for FIRE - but rather the streamlining of political control at the top of the governmental pyramid. It's called crisis efficiency. All the wing nut talk of Obama's Muslim decoder ring, secretly selling off parts of Alaska to Russia . . . please guys, you're embarrassing yourself. There's plenty to critique without sinking into fantasy-land . . .

You are giving Obama a free pass because he is black. Williams doesn't discuss any of the popular conspiracy theories and neither am I. The problem is that you are not willing to connect the obvious dots.

[shiny!]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

This is yet another example of where someone with credibility is one area of subject matter expertise, absolutely blows it on another.

What is it about people that makes them think because they have success in one area immediately translates to another?

Hubris is a serious credibility killer......just not sure if that's the specific reason in this case.

If this President or a future President attempted to declare a permanent state of martial law it would immediately lead to a Civil War 2.0 in the US......period.

If someone wanted to argue in support of more slowly boiling of the frog, I would probably support it in a slowly, slowly sense(simply more of the same in terms of violation of civil liberties and freedom), but outright martial law?

Not a chance...because then the militia kooks would be right.

My alarm bells went off during one of the presidential debates when Obama said his "primary job" was to keep Americans safe. That's wrong, and nobody called him on it. The President's primary job is to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States". To preserve our liberty, not keep us safe.

Even so...

1. I don't think that martial law will be declared

2. If martial law is declared, the vast majority will roll over and accept it, just like people accepted a police state in the Soviet Union. Look at all the people who've given up their civil liberties since 9-11 for the bogus security theater of the TSA and the Patriot Act. They throw away their personal dignity and privacy with both hands. As long as they're told that it's to "keep us safe" they would welcome soldiers and tanks in the streets.

3. If martial law is declared, the only ones who will take up arms against it will be a some outnumbered, outgunned militia and gang bangers.

[lakedaemonian]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

My alarm bells went off during one of the presidential debates when Obama said his "primary job" was to keep Americans safe. That's wrong, and nobody called him on it. The President's primary job is to "preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States". To preserve our liberty, not keep us safe.

Even so...

1. I don't think that martial law will be declared

2. If martial law is declared, the vast majority will roll over and accept it, just like people accepted a police state in the Soviet Union. Look at all the people who've given up their civil liberties since 9-11 for the bogus security theater of the TSA and the Patriot Act. They throw away their personal dignity and privacy with both hands. As long as they're told that it's to "keep us safe" they would welcome soldiers and tanks in the streets.

3. If martial law is declared, the only ones who will take up arms against it will be a some outnumbered, outgunned militia and gang bangers.

I would agree with the first part......the President's job is to protect the Constitution and the preservation of liberty/freedom.

I would disagree with the second part....IF martial law was declared in the US there is a rather substantial number of extremely capable people living in the US following the rules and acting the part of Clark Kent.

If the US went off the rails they would take the bit below quite seriously:

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;

There's probably a mere handful of Americans who played a role in regime change in Libya...and possibly in Syria as we post.

There were a mere few hundred who dropped Afghanistan in a matter of weeks, there are many tens of thousands of people with the same skill sets living within the law in the US.

Those folks would not sit idle if the US went full retard totalitarian.

[DRumsfeld2000]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

They seem to be doing a pretty good job at convincing most peope that all is OK or improving. I am impressed at how the whole thing keeps going.

[globaleconomicollaps]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

This is yet another example of where someone with credibility is one area of subject matter expertise, absolutely blows it on another.

What is it about people that makes them think because they have success in one area immediately translates to another?

Hubris is a serious credibility killer......just not sure if that's the specific reason in this case.

If this President or a future President attempted to declare a permanent state of martial law it would immediately lead to a Civil War 2.0 in the US......period.

If someone wanted to argue in support of more slowly boiling of the frog, I would probably support it in a slowly, slowly sense(simply more of the same in terms of violation of civil liberties and freedom), but outright martial law?

Not a chance...because then the militia kooks would be right.

The time to protest executive overreach has come and gone. Nothing was done. Also, what exactly are they going to do? He is the president. If he exercises the powers specifically give to him in the constitution, not to mention granted to him by the patriot act ect., any movement to overthrow the government will be seen as "un-american". The frog has been boiled.

[shiny!]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

I would agree with the first part......the President's job is to protect the Constitution and the preservation of liberty/freedom.

I would disagree with the second part....IF martial law was declared in the US there is a rather substantial number of extremely capable people living in the US following the rules and acting the part of Clark Kent.

If the US went off the rails they would take the bit below quite seriously:

I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same;

There's probably a mere handful of Americans who played a role in regime change in Libya...and possibly in Syria as we post.

There were a mere few hundred who dropped Afghanistan in a matter of weeks, there are many tens of thousands of people with the same skill sets living within the law in the US.

Those folks would not sit idle if the US went full retard totalitarian.

GEC is right: the time to protest and resist governmental overreach has come and gone. If martial law were declared, resistance would have to come from the military in the form of a coup. No matter how well armed, private citizens cannot overcome high-tech microwave and sonic weapons turned against them.

[lakedaemonian]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

Meh.....

What is it that has pushed Libyans over the edge(well, besides foreign intelligence and specialist military support)?

What about Syrians?

What about Egyptians?

What about Saudis & Bahrainis moving forward?

I think the boiling frog analogy is worthwhile when it comes to industrial scale financial/economic theft and mismanagement and it applies to the political mismanagement of the US as well with how intertwined commercial FIRE special interests are with the US government(John Corzine being a near perfect example).

But the problem with the boiling frog analogy is that it implies that it is simply game over as if it were a 2 hour movie blockbuster, when life doesn't really work that way.......life doesn't end, it carries on.....same with life's problems......and totalitarianism doesn't solve the problems......the problems fester.....inevitably leading to reform or insurrection/revolution.

Here's a link form a quite reputable website worth reading:

http://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art...-of-the-future

Personally, I think John Williams commenting on anything regarding totalitarianism(besides simply trying to measure the RISK of totalitarianism in the US) is a bit like listening to Bob Costas as a sports commentator talk about gun control.

[doom&gloom]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

The time to protest executive overreach has come and gone. Nothing was done. Also, what exactly are they going to do? He is the president. If he exercises the powers specifically give to him in the constitution, not to mention granted to him by the patriot act ect., any movement to overthrow the government will be seen as "un-american". The frog has been boiled.

You have not run out of time to diversify assets abroad as a safety measure however...

[dbarberic]

Re: John Williams from ShadowStats on Financial Sense

Sure, we live in a National Security State, with a militarized police force and umpteen means to conventionally crush any domestic opposition. We know that, but there's no reason to bring it out into the open. Soft power has easily corralled the sheeple to date, on balance the best outcome status quo.

Your exactly correct. Martial law will be implemented without a beurocrat making an overt public announcement, the change will take place through to stripping of rights, militarization of the police, using the military for domestic policing, and increased survalance. All of which is taking place at a steadily increasing rate for those who bother to be paying attention.

Why bother making a dramatic public announcement and risk of civil unrest when 80%+ of the population doesn't even realize what is going on, or cares.