Sandy proves that climate is global and Obama's new energy shift will be a waste of money.

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Can Wind and Solar farms really negate the pollution generated elsewhere?

[evangellydonut]

Re: Sandy proves that climate is global and Obama's new energy shift will be a waste of money.

That's like saying "because some kids will cheat their way through college, the only way to be fair is to for everyone to cheat." While the statement may be true, the outcome is very short-sighted... What gave America the lead in the 20th century, aside from being the only country left standing without major rebuilding, is the fact that we invested in infrastructure and R&D, at least until the 80s, at which time corporate greed driving by Wall Street took over. Going back to R&D will help this country maintain or regain the every-dwindling lead, and that will require investment not just in research, but also in manufacturing. I think clean energy investment is crucial, but Obama did make some rather poor choices in companies/technologies to invest in.

[Chomsky]

Re: Sandy proves that climate is global and Obama's new energy shift will be a waste of money.

Is FRED just really fast or do you start these threads in Rant and Rave, to save him the trouble?

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Re: Sandy proves that climate is global and Obama's new energy shift will be a waste of money.

Is FRED just really fast or do you start these threads in Rant and Rave, to save him the trouble?

It is a rant but who who can agree that it is money well spent!

The last couple of years has seen extreme weather conditions that no one can deny is the result of global warming. Severe floods in Australia, Thailand and now the US.

Of cos, C1ue will definitely deny that. Just like Wen will deny his $2.7 billion family fortune. People always deny.

;)

[aaron]

Re: Sandy proves that climate is global and Obama's new energy shift will be a waste of money.

Give it a few more years. Then we will know.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ma...Prediction.gif

We should be at the solar high next summer. So, it should be a scorcher. If we have been mucking around with the atmosphere too much, all records should be shattered.

At the same time, crop yields are increasing with higher temps and CO2. We will feed a lot of you.
We will adjust. We will learn to speak Canadian if we must.

[Ghent12]

Re: Sandy proves that climate is global and Obama's new energy shift will be a waste of money.

Weather is weather. Climate is climate. Weather is not climate.

When major weather-affecting oscillations occur with a period of around 70 years, such as the Atlantic multidecadal oscillation, yet scientists only have relatively uniform data of various types within just a couple of periods of that oscillation such as temperature records and some types not even as old as a single period such as all satellite data, then you have a situation starved of data. Climate science is certainly not robust, and the wild inaccuracy of the various models produced by climate scientists attest to that.

In answer to your question though, solar and wind farms cannot negate pollution anywhere.

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Re: Sandy proves that climate is global and Obama's new energy shift will be a waste of money.

Weather is weather. Climate is climate. Weather is not climate.

When major weather-affecting oscillations occur with a period of around 70 years, such as the Atlantic multidecadal oscillation, yet scientists only have relatively uniform data of various types within just a couple of periods of that oscillation such as temperature records and some types not even as old as a single period such as all satellite data, then you have a situation starved of data. Climate science is certainly not robust, and the wild inaccuracy of the various models produced by climate scientists attest to that.

In answer to your question though, solar and wind farms cannot negate pollution anywhere.

It's gonna get worst. NYC subways should have flood gates.

[Ghent12]

Re: Sandy proves that climate is global and Obama's new energy shift will be a waste of money.

It's gonna get worst. NYC subways should have flood gates.

It depends on what you mean by your statement that it is going to get "worst," presumably using a different word from the meaning implied. Yes, it will get worse, but it will also get better. That's what oscillations do. The one thing that we can reasonably count on is that there will be more and more people on the coast along with more infrastructure, buildings, and so forth.

If you were to make the statement, "we will, sometime in the future, experience the worst storm we ever have," then that would obviously be true if for no other reason than the simple application of the Law of Averages. But if you want to make the statement, "weather-related events are going to get worse in intensity and/or duration and their impacts will be more severe," then that is a highly qualified and nearly useless statement. Again the Law of Averages applies, but there is no reason to suspect an increase in intensity or duration. The impacts of weather-related events are likely to increase if for no other reason than we are past the point of being able to reasonably predict weather and are still growing as a species. When hurricanes hit New York in the 1400's, those few living in the area were probably devastated but the loss was minimal compared to today or at nearly any point in the future.

[touchring]

Re: Sandy proves that climate is global and Obama's new energy shift will be a waste of money.

It depends on what you mean by your statement that it is going to get "worst," presumably using a different word from the meaning implied. Yes, it will get worse, but it will also get better. That's what oscillations do. The one thing that we can reasonably count on is that there will be more and more people on the coast along with more infrastructure, buildings, and so forth.

If you were to make the statement, "we will, sometime in the future, experience the worst storm we ever have," then that would obviously be true if for no other reason than the simple application of the Law of Averages. But if you want to make the statement, "weather-related events are going to get worse in intensity and/or duration and their impacts will be more severe," then that is a highly qualified and nearly useless statement. Again the Law of Averages applies, but there is no reason to suspect an increase in intensity or duration. The impacts of weather-related events are likely to increase if for no other reason than we are past the point of being able to reasonably predict weather and are still growing as a species. When hurricanes hit New York in the 1400's, those few living in the area were probably devastated but the loss was minimal compared to today or at nearly any point in the future.

By "worst" I mean climate change will continue. I know this because I live in Asia, I know what's going on in China, in Indonesia, in Singapore, in Malaysia. In Asia, there is no regard for the climate or the environment, and mind you, it's not just China. Economic growth in Asia means burning down forests and installing air-conditioning.

Most of the devastation started in the year 2000, it has only been only 12 years. The climate has gradually changed over that period of time, it doesn't take a climatologist to know what caused it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...lm-oil-forests



http://www.boston.com/news/world/asi..._for_palm_oil/

http://boston.com/news/world/asia/ar..._for_palm_oil/

http://www.theatlantic.com/health/ar...alm-oil/56473/



A photo says a thousand words.

http://www.nasa.gov/centers/goddard/...n_measure.html

Downstream petrochemical giant Sinopec had planned to invest U.S. $8.9 billion in expanding its plant in Ningbo, which already produces 500,000 tons of PX a year.

The proposed expansion would have increased oil-refining capacity by 15 million metric tons and annual ethylene production capacity by 1.2 million tons, in a district where residents already complain of acrid-smelling air from existing plants.

http://www.rfa.org/english/news/chin...012140054.html