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    Re: Rossi 1 MW Cold Fusion Reactor Being Tested Today

    Conclusively Demonstrating the “New Energy Effect” of Cold Fusion

    http://coldfusionnow.org/conclusivel...f-cold-fusion/

    Conclusively Demonstrating the “New Energy Effect” of Cold Fusion
    November 25, 2012 / David J. French/6 comment(s)/Science and Technology
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    The following is a further posting in a series of articles by David French, a patent attorney with 35 years experience, which will review patents of interest and other matters touching on the field of Cold Fusion.
    This is a report of the technology presented at ICCF-17 but released in the spring of 2012 following demonstrations held at MIT over January 30-31, 2012. I personally attended those demonstrations and can confirm that the graphic outputs referenced below and in the ICCF-17 presentation of Dr Peter Hagelstein were in fact generated on that occasion. This may be the technology that demonstrates Cold Fusion in a way that can be observed by anyone around the world.
    Breaking the Dam of Disbelief
    The year 2013 will be the year in which the dam of disbelief respecting the Fleischmann & Pons phenomena will finally break. This will start with the recent successful showing of the film “The Believers” in Chicago on October 16 and its follow-up presentations. The press will gradually notice the issue. Enough courageous journalists will demand from their editors page-space to expose the shabby treatment of this phenomenon that has occurred over the past 22 years.
    Sufficient demonstrations of unexplained excess energy have been repeated in laboratories around the world to shatter the paradigm that Cold Fusion is a pathological science. The result will be a demand for experiments that can be reliably duplicated by persons, agencies, laboratories and businesses around the world interested in re-examining this New Energy Effect.
    Need for a Commercially Vendible demonstration of Cold Fusion
    An opportunity exists to sell and distribute widely electronic data acquisition and presentation equipment in conjunction with a practical set-up that demonstrates Cold Fusion. Such an arrangement should:
    • not rely on the presence of pressurized hydrogen or electrolyte fluids • operate at moderate temperatures • provide ready access to the reactor center for easy experimentation • allow ready substitution of reactive elements for repair and alternate testing procedures • impose minimum power requirements • clearly demonstrate a Cold Fusion/LENR effect • allow a variety of experiments to be conducted by users.
    All of these experiments should both serve to demonstrate the Cold Fusion effect and allow researchers to better understand and advance the exploitation of this phenomenon
    Opportunity presented by the JET Energy Inc’s “Nanor”
    JET Energy Inc. is a company established just outside Boston, Massachusetts by Dr Mitchell Swartz. Mitchell Swartz was one of the original experimenters in the field of Cold Fusion; he became involved directly after the Fleischmann & Pons effect was demonstrated in 1989. Mitchell Swartz has been working with Dr Peter Hagelstein, a professor at MIT and one of the eminent theoreticians in this field. The following information is taken from a paper presented by Dr Peter Hagelstein on behalf of Dr Mitchell Swartz and Jet Energy Inc at ICCF-17. The paper for this presentation will form part of the final report of the ICCF-17 proceedings.
    The reactor
    JET Energy has developed a demonstration Cold Fusion reactor that relies on a simple core element that is essentially the size of an ohmic resistor. This “Nanor” ™ contains nanostructured pellets of Palladium embedded in zirconium oxide insulation that are pre-loaded with high pressure deuterium and sealed into a small cylinder with electrical connections at the respective ends. The similarity in outward appearance to an ohmic resistor is exact.
    For purposes of demonstrating the Cold Fusion effect and quantifying the excess heat being generated, this small cylindrical element, the “NANOR™”, is utilized in conjunction with a “control resistor” bonded along side. The bonding agent is a thermally conductive but electrically insulative glue. Both elements provide easily accessible independent electrical leads at their respective ends.
    These components are contained in a thermally isolated environment. Optionally the assembly can be placed inside a traditional calorimeter, but this is not essential. Temperature sensors are bonded to the system which, in conjunction with the control resistor can function equivalently to a calorimeter.
    To achieve a Cold Fusion/New Energy effect Dr Swartz passes a low-level current through the Nanor, e.g. 10 milliwatts. Perhaps there are other features included in the control circuit and wave form applied. Whatever special tricks are used, the result is to produce more than a minimal amount of excess energy that conclusively demonstrates this new energy effect. To quantify the results, the following arrangement is employed.
    Before activating the Nanor, a small current is first passed through the control resistor adjacent to the Nanor. Due to the ohmic resistance in the control resistor the temperature in this resistor, along with that of the Nanor which is glued close by, rises by a small amount, e.g. 1-2 Centigrade degrees. The amount of current and voltage across the resistor are noted, giving the amount of power needed to create this rise in temperature. After the temperature rise generated by the control resistor has relaxed to its starting value, power is applied in turn to the Nanor.
    Sufficient current is fed through the Nanor to produce an approximate rise in temperature equivalent to that just achieved in the control resistor. Remarkably, far less power need be applied to the Nanor to achieve this effect, i.e. less power is required to reach a similar temperature to that established using the control resistor. Put alternately, when comparable energies are applied to the Nanor, a greater temperature rise occurs in the Nanor than occurs in the control resistor. These experiments demonstrate the unequivocal generation of unexplained excess energy.
    The display
    The power circuitry incorporates a control system that alternates between first heating the control resistor with a known amount of electrical power and then applying a lower level of electrical power to the Nanor. The temperature rise generated first in the control resistor and then in the Nanor as detected by the temperature sensor is shown graphically on the screen of a computer. Using this arrangement the Nanor has demonstrated gains on the order of 800 to 1600%, i.e. a coefficient of performance – COP of 8-16. The graphic display showing this effect can be seen here.
    The gain is represented by the ratio of the respective heights for the normalized temperature of the Nanor, indicated by “delta-T/pin” curve, with respect the height of the stepped trace for “input power”, both on the right-side of the display. Here, it is important to note that “normalizing” the delta-T (dividing the measured delta-T by the measured applied power) has the effect of removing the step-like response of the delta-T to the step-like application of input power, resulting in a “flat” response of the control resistor, and a “flatter” response of the NANOR. Note that this normalized gain falls off somewhat with increasing power for the Nanor.
    From the graph it is demonstrated that providing lower power to the Nanor will achieve the same temperature excursion as that demonstrated by the control resistor using higher power. While the effect is not being monitored at a constant temperature, the temperature excursions are very small, e.g. 1-2 centigrade degrees. Therefore results nearly equivalent to having a complex constant-temperature calorimeter are achieved. Essentially, the energy output of the Nanor is inferred by comparing the temperature change achieved to that produced by the control resistor. With the high COP’s being achieved, the result is unmistakable.
    The temperature rise of the Nanor-control resistor combination is conveniently presented on a computer display in which the temperature traces are arranged graphically directly following each other. The cycle is carried-out repeatedly, with a relaxation delay in between, to provide interlaced graphic demonstrations of the generation of unexplained excess heat next to a calibration curve. As this effect continues for many days, the only possible conclusion is that the excess energy is arising from some form of nuclear effect. Hence this apparatus demonstrates the reality of “Cold Fusion” or some nuclear process the mechanism of which is not yet conclusively established.
    Stepped power increases
    In order to produce more information in the computer display, the electrical circuitry supporting the demonstration applies power to both the control resistor and the Nanor in steps of regularly increasing applied power. Each time the power rises by a step, the temperature of the system rises by a related step. The correlation is not precisely even. Further this feature demonstrates that the Nanor exhibits differing gains when driven at different power levels. Importantly, the Nanor can be over-driven, providing a COP which is reduced from the maximum possible once the optimum power input is exceeded. This is readily apparent from the display.
    Packaging the kit
    The Nanor demonstration apparatus is very compact. The Nanor and control resistor pair would, by themselves, fit in a very small insulated box if the decision were made to dispense with the standard surrounding calorimeter apparatus. A surrounding calorimeter apparatus could be employed as a back-up to demonstrate that, over time, you can measure the accumulating excess heat that is being generated. In fact, only a small insulated box is required if it is accepted that the temperature excursion demonstrated by the control resistor can serve to calibrate the amount of heat envolving when the Nanor is operating.
    Dispensing with the traditional calorimeter allows the reactor box to be hardly larger than a package of cigarettes. Coupled to the wires leading out of this box are a power supply and a data acquisition device. The data acquisition device provides an output that generates the display on the screen of a personal computer. The device so presented would fit, together with its data acquisition device and cables for linking to a PC, into a standard briefcase. Indeed, the briefcase could also include the PC since there would be enough room to fit it in!
    Since the reactor can be contained in a relatively small volume it would be easily accessible to install substitute replacements or alternate arrangements which are instrumented according to the desires of a researcher. By providing pre-instrumented variations in the Nanor a variety of experiments could be carrying my users. In every case, the object would be to determine the ways in which it is possible to modulate the Cold Fusion effect. Anyone purchasing the kit would have the advantage of a quick-learning tool to get up-to-speed on the principles of this new and extremely important phenomenon. Universities could buy multiple units for their undergraduate students.
    Possible experiments
    Some of the experiments that could be conducted include:
    • varying the applied DC field to determine the effect on gain or COP. This means identifying the “sweet spot”, also known as the “Optimal Operating Point” • varying the “relaxation” time between initiating a repetition of excess heat events to determine the effect • carrying-out the various processes at differing ambient temperatures for the Nanor • applying an AC component of varying frequencies and strength to the applied DC field • encircling the Nanor with an insulated wire and applying a co-axial magnetic field while carrying-out the repertoire of other manipulations • placing a pair of collateral electrostatic plate electrodes on either side of the Nanor and applying varying electrostatic fields, both DC and AC to determine the effect on the excess heat event • attaching ultrasound transducers to the side of the Nanor to determine the effect of ultrasound on the excess heat effect • carrying-out experiments with the Nanor having various levels of loading • carrying out the experiments with twin or triple Nanors surrounding the control resistor, each instrumented with temperature sensors to establish the relative consistency of behavior of the respective Nanors.
    Opportunity for Commercialization
    JET Energy’s Nanor represents a demonstrated, operational system for researchers to explore the Cold Fusion effect. It is ideally adapted to being integrated into a unit suitable for sale to universities and laboratories, indeed to high schools, as a demonstration device confirming the existence of the Cold Fusion/LENR/New Energy Effect phenomena. Indeed, this demonstration can operate with a normal home PC on the kitchen table top.
    This is an ideal system for introducing this new science to the world. JET Energy Inc. is presently working to improve the Nanor and develop a vendible package. Who is going to be the first to step forward and boost JET Energy’s innovation to the forefront of the coming wave of commercial applications that will rely on this wonderful new discovery for humanity?
    David French is a retired patent attorney and the principal and CEO of Second Counsel Services. Second Counsel provides guidance for companies that wish to improve their management of Intellectual Property. For more information visit: www.SecondCounsel.com.
    David French is prepared to address questions included as commentaries to any of his postings or by direct email. In particular, he would like to learn what people need to know in order to better understand patents.


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    • #32
      Re: Rossi 1 MW Cold Fusion Reactor Being Tested Today


      Have any articles about this been published in major physics or electrical engineering publications?

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      • #33
        Re: Rossi 1 MW Cold Fusion Reactor Being Tested Today

        Nothing has paid back yet but they are working on it

        Experimental Results on Sub-Micro Structured Cu-Ni Alloys -- Hydrogen/Deuterium Interaction

        Institute for Science, Technology & Education ^ | April 4, 2013 | Francesco Celani


        Experimental Results on Sub-Micro Structured Cu-Ni Alloys under
        High Temperature Hydrogen/Deuterium Interaction

        Francesco Celani * E. F. Marano1, A. Spallone1 A. Nuvoli1 B. Ortenzi1 S. Pella1 E. Righi1 G. Trenta1 F. Micciulla1 S.
        Bellucci1 S. Bartalucci1 M. Nakamura2 E. Purchi2 G. Zangari2 S. Cupellini2 A. Mancini3 F. Maggiore3 A.Ovidi4
        1. INFN-LNF, Via E. Fermi 40, Frascati (RM) 00044, Italy
        2. Latium Group, ISCMNS, Via Cavour 26, Ferentino (FR) 03013, Italy
        3. ORIM SpA, Via Concordia 65, Piediripa (MC) 62100, Italy
        4. Kresenn Ltd, 5a Frascati Way, Maidenhead SL6 1PA, United Kingdom

        * E-mail of the corresponding author: Francesco.Celani@lnf.infn.it

        Abstract

        This study shows in detail how even a low cost material, like commercial Cu-Ni-Mn alloy (named Konstantan or
        ISOTAN 44), as far its surface is properly modified from the point of view of dimensionality, can be used as
        material able to produce anomalous heat effects due to close interaction with Hydrogen (or Deuterium, but at lower
        intensity) at high temperature.

        Keywords: ISOTAN, Konstantan, hydrogen, deuterium, anomalous heat, nano structure, copper-nickel alloy

        ---------------------------------------------

        About anomalous heat production, we observed several events were such phenomena happened, for long times
        (several days) but at low intensities. The phenomenon increased, systematically, when the power was applied to the
        wires with nanostructures. In other words, the experiment with power on Pt can be considered as blank, although
        with can’t excluded that some anomalous effect, because indirect heating of ISOTAN, could happen. At the moment
        the sensitivity of the calorimeter isn’t enough high to can discriminate such conditions.
        As further information, previous (short time) experiment, with Isotan 44 without thermal treatments (i.e. only plastic
        removed), never give anomalous results.
        A clear event of anomalous heat, with excess energy over 60kJ, is reported as shown in figure 25.
        Taking into consideration just this specific event, and neglecting all the others, considering the amount of material
        used (about 80cm of wire, i.e. 224 mg with Ni=98 mg), the integral of the energy is larger than 380eV/Ni atom, i.e.
        over 95 times the chemical limit of 4eV/atom Ni. Possible effects on Cu are neglected.

        7. Further Developments/Comments/Conclusions

        a) It was experimental found that even low cost material, like commercial Cu-Ni-Mn alloy (named
        Konstantan or ISOTAN 44), when its surface is properly modified from the point of view of dimensionality,
        can be used as material able to produce anomalous heat effects because close interaction with Hydrogen (or
        Deuterium, but at lower intensity) at high temperatures (>300°C).
        b) Moreover, such alloy has intrinsically the propriety of extremely large capability of catalysis in respect to
        H2 dissociation.
        c) We have found that the amount of anomalous heat increases when the sub-micro structured material is
        covered by a thin layer of Pd. At the moment the result are of modest entity, perhaps because the geometry
        isn’t optimal.
        d) Moreover, in respect to indirect heat warming, we found that the effect increases when there is a direct flow
        of current along such material (i.e. electro-migration and/or forced not-equilibrium conditions), in the shape
        of thin and long wire. Such behaviour was previously found also in experiments using Pd/Deuterium: it can
        be speculated that it could be, again, a situation where the so-called “Preparata effect” (i.e. confinement of
        H due to voltage drop along wire ends, could be realized.
        e) It is quite interesting, and intriguing, that also a group well expert on nano-materials and production of
        anomalous heat effects (i.e. Akito Takahashi and Akira Kitamura with co-workers, from Osaka&Kobe
        Universities and Consultant of Technova Company-Japan), independently from us and without knowing
        each-other of the specific tests in progress, decided to explore an alloy based on Ni-Cu-ZrO2,
        dimensionality of the order of 2-10nm (similarity to Pd-Ni-ZrO2). Their results look really promising (2
        reports at this Workshop).
        f) The effects of other impurities present inside the reactor, at least in our experiments, have to be more
        deeply investigated.
        g) Another phenomena that we (some-times) observed, after 5 months of experiments, is the apparent NTC
        (Negative Temperature Coefficient of the resistivity) behaviour of nano-structured alloy, after interaction
        with hydrogenated compounds. Anyway, a new experimental set-up, as simple as possible, is needed to
        study such unexpected/interesting effect and rule-out any uncontrolled interference/error.
        h) More systematic work is necessary, especially for material preparation and characterization, specially SEM
        and (hopefully) TEM analysis.
        i) In conclusion, the Cu-Ni alloy, at nano-μsizes, interacting with hydrogenated materials at high temperatures
        (>300°C), could be a simple and low-cost candidate for “new” energy production, over the values of usual
        chemistry (4eV/atom). Further efforts on experimental activity could, soon, pay-back.

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        • #34
          Re: Rossi 1 MW Cold Fusion Reactor Being Tested Today

          IN all this, they talk about anomalous heat, but no discussion of radiation. It fusion is happening, shouldn't there be radiation?

          Hydrogen is capable of an abundance of chemical and physical reactions with various materials. It has a high diffusivity in Ni-Zr, one of the alloys they mentioned.

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          • #35
            Re: Rossi 1 MW Cold Fusion Reactor Being Tested Today

            A long, long time has passed.

            Where is the proof?

            As a science fiction reader as well as someone involved in the semiconductor industry, I am very open to high level physics theory being converted into industrial use.

            So far, the (radical) theory has yet to be accompanied by any form of reproducible results, much less the industrial usage Rossi supposed was to have debuted by now.

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            • #36
              Re: Rossi 1 MW Cold Fusion Reactor Being Tested Today

              As a science fiction reader as well as someone involved in the semiconductor industry, I am very open to high level physics theory being converted into industrial use.
              Unfortunately, I think the theoretical basis is very lacking. Damned electrostatic forces!

              Bring on the coal mines! (unfortunately)

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              • #37
                Re: CF very unlikely

                Update.

                Third Party Testing Of Rossi’s E-Cat: ‘Energy Was Produced In Decidedly Higher Quantities Than What May Be Gained From Any Conventional Source


                The two test measurements described in this text were conducted with the same methodology on two different devices: a first prototype, termed E-Cat HT, and a second one, resulting from technological improvements on the first, termed E-Cat HT2. Both have indicated heat production from an unknown reaction primed by heat from resistor coils. The results obtained indicate that energy was produced in decidedly higher quantities than what may be gained from any conventional source.
                http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913

                Download pdf of testing: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.3913v2

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                • #38
                  Re: CF very unlikely

                  Originally posted by dbarberic View Post
                  Update.

                  Third Party Testing Of Rossi’s E-Cat: ‘Energy Was Produced In Decidedly Higher Quantities Than What May Be Gained From Any Conventional Source




                  http://arxiv.org/abs/1305.3913

                  Download pdf of testing: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1305.3913v2
                  very interesting, thanks for the update

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                  • #39
                    Have neutrons been detected?

                    If fusion is occuring, neutrons should be detected.

                    I don't think the method of fusion would affect the production of neutrons.

                    If no neutrons --> no fusion

                    or they need a good explanation for why no neutrons.


                    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_fusion


                    are they using tritium and deuterium?

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                    • #40
                      Re: Have neutrons been detected?

                      More stuff

                      http://phys.org/news/2013-05-rossi-e...ty-higher.html

                      Tests find E-Cat has energy density at least 10 times higher than any conventional energy source
                      Phys.org ^ | 5/23/2013 | Lisa Zyga


                      Tests find Rossi's E-Cat has an energy density at least 10 times higher than any conventional energy source
                      48 minutes ago by Lisa Zyga

                      Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-05-rossi-e...igher.html#jCp
                      (Phys.org) —In the ongoing saga of Andrea Rossi's energy catalyzer (E-Cat) that promises clean, cheap power for the world, the latest events continue to bring as many questions as answers. Several scientists have performed supposedly independent tests of two E-Cat prototypes under controlled conditions and using high-precision instrumentation. In a paper posted at arXiv.org, the researchers write that, even by the most conservative of measurements, the E-Cat produces excess heat with a resulting energy density that is at least 1 order of magnitude—and possibly several—higher than any other conventional energy source, including gasoline.
                      Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-05-rossi-e...igher.html#jCp
                      Of the seven scientists who authored the paper, two are from Italy (Giuseppe Levi at Bologna University and Evelyn Foschi of Bologna, Italy) and five are from Sweden (Torbjörn Hartman, Bo Höistad, Roland Pettersson and Lars Tegnér at Uppsala University; and Hanno Essén at the Royal Institute of Technology in Stockholm).
                      Essén, who submitted the paper, is an associate professor of theoretical physics at the Swedish Royal Institute of Technology and former chairman of the Swedish Skeptics Society.
                      "I have followed the Rossi E-Cats for a couple of years now and participated in two experiments (including the present one) and read, and heard, about several other more or less independent ones," Essén told Phys.org. "My overall impression is that there must be something there, but scientists must always be cautious until everything has been checked and rechecked."
                      Essén said that there are plans to submit the paper to a peer-reviewed journal, although they understand that it may be difficult. Even though the subject is controversial, he explained that he thinks the cost of involvement is worth it.
                      "I got involved since, for the first time, an inventor of a new energy source was willing to allow meaningful observation and measurement," he said. "There is always a risk that career and reputation is damaged, but for me scientific curiosity always has higher priority."
                      Ragone plot of the energy density and power density of various sources. The plot has been expanded to show conservative estimates of the E-Cat from the March tests, as well as known values of Pu-238. Original figure by Ahmed F. Ghoniem. …more Rossi himself was not part of the study. However, the tests were performed on E-Cat prototypes constructed by Rossi and located in Rossi's facilities in Ferrara, Italy.
                      The paper presents the results of two separate tests on two different prototypes, called E-Cat HT and E-Cat HT2. The first test was carried out by Levi and Foschi in December 2012, while the second was carried out by all seven authors in March 2013. Although the E-Cat HT2 had several improvements over the E-Cat HT, both tests revealed the same important result: more heat was produced by the device than would be expected from any known chemical source of energy.
                      According to the researcher's conservative measurements and calculations, the E-Cat HT and E-Cat HT2 have energy densities of 680,000 Wh/kg and 61,000,000 Wh/kg, respectively. Even with a "blind" evaluation that probably underestimates the energy production significantly, the researchers still get a value that is an order of magnitude higher than all other conventional energy sources. Considering that gasoline has an energy density of 12,000 Wh/kg, these values are extraordinary and would blow all other energy technologies out of the water.
                      With that being said, exactly what kind of reaction is producing the large amount of heat energy remains unknown. While the reaction was originally touted as cold fusion when Rossi first unveiled the device a few years ago, most analysts now suspect that the mechanism is more likely a low-energy nuclear reaction (LENR) that is not fusion. If the reaction involves the conversion of nickel into copper, as it seems, then it would be considered a transmutation.
                      Somewhat frustratingly, the seven scientists were not allowed to look inside the steel cylinder that houses the fuel, which is a combination of nickel powder, hydrogen gas, and—most mysteriously—a catalyst composed of unknown additives. This catalyst is an industrial trade secret, and the secrecy makes it impossible for independent scientists to understand exactly how the device works.
                      "It is frustrating to observe a mysterious phenomenon but not be allowed to investigate it fully, yes," Essén said. "I understand, however, that inventors are mainly interested in commercial applications and that this requires the keeping of industrial secrets."
                      What the scientists could do was to operate the device, measure the heat energy it produced, and compare that to the input energy to calculate the impressive values stated above. They could also assess the prototypes for any potential radioactive emissions, of which they found none.
                      The basic design of the E-Cat (both versions) consists of three cylinders: an outer ceramic cylinder (33 cm long and 10 cm in diameter, or roughly the dimensions of a bowling pin), a smaller ceramic cylinder located within the outer one and containing wire coils, and finally the steel cylinder that contains the fuel. At just 3 mm thick and 33 mm in diameter, the steel cylinder is not much bigger than a quarter. By comparing the weights of the steel cylinder when containing fuel and when empty, the researchers estimated the weight of the fuel in the March test to be about 0.3 grams.
                      When power (here, no more than 360 W) is fed to the wire coils inside the middle cylinder, the coils heat up and cause the steel cylinder and its powder to heat up as well. The scientists used a thermal camera to measure the E-Cat's surface temperature for the entire duration of the two tests, which were 96 hours and 116 hours, respectively. They also continuously monitored the electrical power input that was supplied to the coils. In the first test, the power input was constant, while in the second test, the scientists experimented with turning the power on and off to test the self-sustaining mode. In the self-sustaining mode, they observed a periodic heating and cooling cycle that warrants further study.
                      To investigate whether there really is something special about the powder fuel in the small cylinder, the researchers performed a "dummy" test with an empty cylinder. They ran the test in March on the E-Cat HT2 for about 6 hours, taking measurements exactly as they did when the cylinder was loaded. They found that no extra heat was generated beyond that expected from the electric input. Whatever kind of catalyst is in the fuel seems to be indispensable for generating the excess energy.
                      Whether this paper gains the approval or disdain of other scientists working in related areas remains to be seen, but the seven authors of the current paper seemed to have taken pains to take all the precautions that they could, given the circumstances, to perform a valid investigation. At nearly every step of their measurements and calculations, the scientists repeatedly emphasized that they adopted the most conservative methods in order to not overestimate the device's energy generation.
                      The paper has so far received a mixed response on the web, with Steven B. Krivit of New Energy Times arguing that Rossi has manipulated the scientists to create the illusion of an independent test, while articles at Pure Energy Systems and Forbes are more supportive.
                      At the end of their paper, the researchers added that another test is planned to begin this summer. This test will last six months in order to monitor the long-term performance of the E-Cat HT2, and may help the scientists get a better understanding of the origins of the excess heat energy.
                      Explore further:Researchers capture wasted heat, use it to power devices
                      More information: Giuseppe Levi, et al. "Indication of anomalous heat energy production in a reactor device." arXiv:1305.3913 [physics.gen-ph]
                      Read more at: http://phys.org/news/2013-05-rossi-e...igher.html#jCp

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                      • #41
                        Re: Have neutrons been detected?

                        Originally posted by tastymannatees View Post
                        Somewhat frustratingly, the seven scientists were not allowed to look inside the steel cylinder that houses the fuel, which is a combination of nickel powder, hydrogen gas, and—most mysteriously—a catalyst composed of unknown additives. This catalyst is an industrial trade secret, and the secrecy makes it impossible for independent scientists to understand exactly how the device works.
                        "It is frustrating to observe a mysterious phenomenon but not be allowed to investigate it fully, yes," Essén said. "I understand, however, that inventors are mainly interested in commercial applications and that this requires the keeping of industrial secrets."
                        Merely looking into the cylinder would not reveal the composition of a catalyst, so the secrecy was unnecessary to protect IP. Such a ban would, however, be necessary to hide any monkey business.

                        The rest is most likely a con-artist's misdirection.

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                        • #42
                          Re: Have neutrons been detected?

                          i read through the experiment and it seemed good. I don't know why they cant imerse the ecat into a water bath or something like that instead of trying to calculate heat from temperature through several indirect steps. It seems like a large group could work out a deal with Mr. Rossi to pay him a big stack of money if the device is legitimate if we get to take it apart. If it is a fraud you lose kind of deal. You could pay the man 8 or 9 figures to take the device apart. He gets the fame and the fortune. What more could he want?

                          If as they say the machine produced produced 10-100 times more energy than gasoline, it dosen't matter what clock work is inside, it is still interesting. Maybe they found a way to fake out a thermal imager?? I'm baffled.

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                          • #43
                            Re: Have neutrons been detected?

                            Originally posted by charliebrown View Post
                            i read through the experiment and it seemed good. I don't know why they cant imerse the ecat into a water bath or something like that instead of trying to calculate heat from temperature through several indirect steps. It seems like a large group could work out a deal with Mr. Rossi to pay him a big stack of money if the device is legitimate if we get to take it apart. If it is a fraud you lose kind of deal. You could pay the man 8 or 9 figures to take the device apart. He gets the fame and the fortune. What more could he want?
                            I think the bold face text above provides the reason such an offer wouldn't be accepted.

                            As you say, if this were genuine, there would indeed be no real reason for secrecy, only a conditional contract. This guy wants someone to buy the whole shebang, irrevocably, before he reveals anything. There's only one reason for that.

                            Originally posted by charliebrown View Post
                            If as they say the machine produced produced 10-100 times more energy than gasoline, it dosen't matter what clock work is inside, it is still interesting. Maybe they found a way to fake out a thermal imager?? I'm baffled.
                            You raise another good point here. From the paper:

                            One must keep in mind that the thermal camera does not measure an object's temperaturedirectly: with the help of input optics, radiation emitted from the object is focused onto an infrareddetector which generates a corresponding electrical signal. Digital signal processing thentransforms the signal into an output value proportional to the object temperature. Finally, thetemperature result is shown on the camera display. The camera software derives the temperatureof objects by means of an algorithm which takes several parameters and corrective factors intoaccount, e.g. user settings for emissivity and detector temperature, taken automatically by asensor on the lower part of the camera itself.

                            Moreover, every Optris camera-and-optics set has its own calibration file supplied by themanufacturer (Ref. [6]).
                            The system was indeed constructed entirely by Rossi, and only operated by the test team (with and without the "catalyst"). The camera's calibration file could easily have been replaced. And there are certainly much better methods for calorimetry than thermal imaging. (I mean, seriously, at least run the emission signal through a spectrometer so you can fit the blackbody curve yourself!) The scam doesn't even have to be in the cylinder if you tweak the readout calibration enough.


                            Given that the cylinder was deformed, though, the best bet is that the "catalyst" actually is just a whole bunch of thermite, or a similarly reactive exothermic material. The "anomalous" heat was only unusual for the minuscule amount of fuel consumed, not intrinsically anomalous. There's no shortage of fun exothermic reactions. But since there was no verifiable information given about the amount of "catalyst" that the cylinder was pre-loaded with, that's the easiest way to engineer a scam. Put 10 times the amount of thermite in than you do your "fuel" and (voila!) your reaction will "exceed the energy produced by thermite" by a factor of 10! Want 100x? There's plenty of space in the inner cylinder for that much, too! (The inner cylinder was not the same in the two tests run.) If Rossi was willing to lie about the wall thickness of the tube (to compensate for the excess weight) there would be absolutely no way to tell whether the setup was doctored.

                            It's not even hard to fake this data, with these observational limitations!

                            The publishing scientists should not be criticized for investigating an unusual claim, that's just good science. But they can quite legitimately be criticized for doing so in a way that leaves such blatant possibilities for misdirection open, apparently without noticing or adequately reporting that fact. Their data simply does not permit an honest scientist to unambiguously arrive at their conclusions. That's very bad science indeed.

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                            • #44
                              Re: Have neutrons been detected?

                              Everything about this suggests it is a fraud. However, I do appreciate the updates as I am curious to see how it plays out. Assuming it's a fraud it would be interesting to understand Rossi's motivations. Does he just want the publicity? Is he making some money in this process?

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                              • #45
                                Re: Have neutrons been detected?

                                It is a damn fraud. He just wants investor money.

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