Rossi 1 MW Cold Fusion Reactor Being Tested Today

[dbarberic]

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The strange saga continues.

From Wired:
http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/.../rossi-success

The successful test should pave the way for further work at the University of Bologna, and more contracts with the enigmatic customer. NyTeknik did discover one possible clue to their identity. The customer’s controller, one Domenico Fioravanti, apparently reports to a man whose title is “Colonel”. This suggests that the mystery customer might be DARPA, the Pentagon’s extreme science wing which, as Wired.co.uk has previously noted, has expressed interestin Rossi’s work — but which might not be quite ready to explain to its political masters why it spent millions on a cold fusion device.

If it goes "black" we may never find out the real story.

[Mega]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORWY7...eature=related
Mike

[dcarrigg]

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There's not much to be said: a bigger repetition of the original demonstration.

One which it is impossible to discern what the actual performance is, but with lots of hyperbolic commentary on how well it works.

So far, no dice here.

There's a word for people who believe outrageous claims and minimal proof coming from someone previously convicted of fraud. Rube.

[Mn_Mark]

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I don't think anyone can claim this is a fraud with any more certainty than they can claim that this is the real thing. There isn't enough evidence either way. No one has come forward claiming they were defrauded by Rossi.

Since the test of the 1 MW unit on Friday, Rossi says the unit has since been taken away by the customer and that he has sold another 1 MW unit (to be built). He says he will be setting up plant(s) in the U.S. to manufacture them and plans to sell 30 to 100 of them in the next year.

Again, no proof of it. But no proof it is fraud. We just don't know yet.

[Polish_Silver]

CF very unlikely

Cold fusion is very unlikely, based on fundamental physics. Many bright people went over this question in the 1980's, and fairly quickly gave up on the idea.

It was around the same time as the "fifth fource" which turned out to be a statistical anomaly.

The problem is that protons (hydrogen nuclei) repel each other very strongly, because both have a positive charge.
It takes conditions of extreme temperature and pressure to get the nuclei close enough that the strong nuclear force takes over and combines them into a single nucleus, releasing radiation. The easiest way to do this is an atomic bomb, based on uranium fission.

Many schemes have been tried, including ultrasound, lasers, micro bubbles, magnetic confinement, none have succeeeded. Magnetic confinement has been able to produce fusion, but the energy output was a small fraction of what was put in.

Governments around the world have spent billions of fusion research. It would have been better spent on improving internal combustion engines.

[dcarrigg]

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I don't think anyone can claim this is a fraud with any more certainty than they can claim that this is the real thing. There isn't enough evidence either way. No one has come forward claiming they were defrauded by Rossi.

Since the test of the 1 MW unit on Friday, Rossi says the unit has since been taken away by the customer and that he has sold another 1 MW unit (to be built). He says he will be setting up plant(s) in the U.S. to manufacture them and plans to sell 30 to 100 of them in the next year.

Again, no proof of it. But no proof it is fraud. We just don't know yet.

Mn_Mark - I wasn't referring to the present scheme. His "oil from waste" scheme during the Carter administration never really fit the bill. Then we saw Andrea Rossi charged with fraud and tax evasion in 1999, I think. Some of it's there in the Wikipedia article, some of it I dug up in Italian and dropped in another forum post.

The history of the man, combined with the lack of evidence, points in one direction on the e-cat as far as I'm concerned.

[dbarberic]

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Mn_Mark - I wasn't referring to the present scheme. His "oil from waste" scheme during the Carter administration never really fit the bill. Then we saw Andrea Rossi charged with fraud and tax evasion in 1999, I think. Some of it's there in the Wikipedia article, some of it I dug up in Italian and dropped in another forum post.

The history of the man, combined with the lack of evidence, points in one direction on the e-cat as far as I'm concerned.

The wikipedia entry says "In the late '90s the company was found guilty of dumping environmental toxins, as well as tax fraud."

I'm not defending Rossi's cold fusion as being legit, but there is a difference between not following enviorment and tax law and creation of a fraudelnt company that does not produce anything. The actual company seemed to have a functioning product/process.

This article seems to paint the situation in a different light; one where Rossi's invention/process for oil from waste was systematically driven out of business by what appears to be an unknown agenda.

http://newenergytimes.com/v2/sr/Ross...gonStory.shtml

[c1ue]

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http://blog.newenergytimes.com/2011/...dinary-claims/

In a few hours, promoter Andrea Rossi will, for the 12th time, demonstrate how he is able to make boxes of pipes and wires heat water and, possibly, bring it to a boil. What makes Rossi’s device different from an ordinary electric tea kettle is his claim: massive amounts of nuclear-scale heat.

I don’t doubt the legitimacy of the underlying science — apparently copied from biophysicist Francesco Piantelli — which has been published in peer-reviewed journals. But I do doubt the extraordinary magnitude of Rossi’s claim. And I certainly have very low confidence in the one and only paper that Rossi published with his associate Sergio Focardi. They self-published their paper on Rossi’s blog, which Rossi calls Journal of Nuclear Physics.

Readers may find this timeline of events helpful. It provides an excellent track of the Rossi story from the beginning to perhaps the end. I have recently added many new details.

One of the main reasons I doubt Rossi’s claim is that, when I went to see his device in person and filmed it, the visible steam output looked even less than what would come out of an ordinary tea kettle. Yet, according to Rossi, it was producing kilowatts of heat at the time.

Another reason I doubt the claim is that his numerous attempts to present credible scientific evidence have failed.

After several dozen New Energy Times readers analyzed Rossi’s claims and left no doubt about the lack of scientific credibility, Rossi said that he didn’t need to provide scientific evidence because he would prove himself by producing an operating reactor.

Thus, as the sun rises over Bologna this morning, there will be no need for data, thermistors or flow measurements. Rossi will turn on his device, then unplug it from the wall and show that his reactor can do real work: light a light bulb, turn a motor or warm up the room for his guests. Or he won’t.

Another reason for my doubt is that multiple customers, apparently with ample financial resources, have lined up to perform due diligence, and they all seem to lose interest. First, it was Defkalion, then Ampenergo, then Quantum Energy Technologies. Quantum’s engineers observed tests on Sept. 5 and 6 in Rossi’s showroom. The potential customers come, they look, they don’t come back. Same with NASA. NASA engineers went to see Rossi’s show along with the representatives from Quantum, and they came away empty-handed.

If I spent the time to count the inconsistencies presented by Rossi and his collaborators, I could list dozens of examples. Here’s a crucial one: In their 2010 self-published paper, they claimed an energy gain of 213 times. Yet, in January 2011, Rossi downgraded the claim to a 30 times energy gain. In April, he downgraded his claim again, to 6 times.

Here’s another example: Rossi and Focardi have said that they submitted their self-published paper to several journals but that it was rejected with prejudice. Yet, on June 14, I asked Focardi in which journals he and Rossi had attempted to publish their paper. Focardi revealed that they had not submitted the paper to any journal; he said they submitted it only to the arXiv pre-print service, but the administrators rejected it.

Another example: Rossi claimed he had a factory in Florida where he was testing 300 of his devices, yet the address listed on his corporate documents shows that to be a fifth-floor apartment.

Another example: Rossi claimed he was heating a building in Italy with one of his reactors, yet there is not a single piece of evidence to support that claim.

Another example: Rossi has claimed that the key to his technological innovation is a secret “catalyst.” Yet, in my video interview with him, he said his crucial discovery had everything to do with “pressure.”

How has Rossi been able to perform his magic show for so long? Technology journalist Mats Lewan of Ny Teknik gets some of the credit for this. Lewan has consistently failed to ask Rossi tough questions, turned a blind eye to crucial inconsistencies, and acted as Rossi’s scribe by writing his technical reports for him.

No wonder mainstream science media have not picked up on this Internet miracle. But two mainstream journalists have noticed the story. The first is David Hambling, a freelance journalist who wrote an article for Wired U.K. on Oct. 6, 2011. The second is Peter Svensson, a technology writer with the Associated Press who contacted me on May 20.

Mats Lewan Peter Svensson David Hambling
“I’ve been using your site quite a bit in my researches, sparked by my interest in the Rossi affair,” Svensson wrote. “The site is impressive, and I thought I might introduce myself to a fellow journalist.”

Before I left for my June trip to Bologna, I told Svensson that I was headed out to meet Rossi and see his device.

“I would be interested in hearing what you think,” Svensson wrote. “I’ve met Rossi. Give my regards to him when you see him!”

Svensson was interested in hearing my opinion about Rossi and his claim. I cannot say it any better than Daniel Larsson, the owner of the Energy Catalzyer blog, did: “Maybe Andrea Rossi knows: ‘Extraordinary scams require extraordinary claims.’”

[Update Oct. 28, 19:34: Rossi's 12th demo. No light bulbs are lit, no motors turn, no room is heated. Italian engineers with unknown affiliation take and report data on behalf of unknown "customer." Rossi uploads documents to his Web site which say that unidentified customer accepts delivery of his device. Document is signed "For the customer - Ing Domenico Fioravanti, (signature) " "For Leonardo Corporation" (signature). Words "For the customer" are partially redacted by Rossi.]

[tastymannatees]

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Theoretical Feasibility of Cold Fusion According to the BSM Supergravitation Unified Theory

Authors: Stoyan Sarg Sargoytchev
Advances in the field of cold fusion and the recent success of the nickel and hydrogen exothermal reaction, in which the energy release cannot be explained by a chemical process, need a deeper understanding of the nuclear reactions and, more particularly, the possibility for modification of the Coulomb barrier. The current theoretical understanding based on high temperature fusion does not offer an explanation for the cold fusion or LENR. The treatise "Basic Structures of Matter - Supergravitation Unified Theory", based on an alternative concept of the physical vacuum, provides an explanation from a new point of view by using derived three-dimensional structures of the atomic nuclei. For explanation of the nuclear energy, a hypothesis of a field micro-curvature around the superdense nucleus is suggested. Analysis of some successful cold fusion experiments resulted in practical considerations for modification of the Coulomb barrier. The analysis also predicts the possibility of another cold fusion reaction based on some similarity between the nuclear structures of Ni and Cr.



http://vixra.org/pdf/1112.0043v2.pdf

[we_are_toast]

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February 2011–Stoyan Sarg joined us last night and spoke about his work over the years in Physics. He shared his views on gravity as it applies to UFO propulsion systems and why UFOs seem to shimmer and change color while in earth's atmosphere. We also spoke about why the scientific community regards the topic of UFOs and how original skeptical views are changing.

http://information-machine.blogspot....ropulsion.html

... For a few years of intensive but morally awarded work he was able to develop and publish in 2001 his treatise “Basic Structures of Matter - Supergravitation Unified Theory” (BSM-SG).
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His work provided for a first time the missing physical relation between the EM field and gravity. This permitted him to analyze the enigmatic UFO phenomenon from a new physical point of view. One of the major predictions of the BSM-SG theory is the possibility to change the gravitational and inertial mass of a specifically design spacecraft. Being also experimentalist Dr. Sarg discovered an unique gravito-inertial effect by a laboratory experiments. This discovery, understandable only from the BSM-SG point of view, was reported at the Annual meetings of the Society for Scientific Explorations in 2007 and 2008 in Boulder, Colorado and also at the Annual meeting of the Natural Philosophy Alliance, 2010, Long Beach, California.

http://www.spectrumradionetwork.com/...echnology.html

Society for Scientific Exploration:

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The society's peer reviewed scientific journal, the Journal of Scientific Exploration, was established to provide a scientific forum for ufology, parapsychology and cryptozoology....

Discoveries of unknown unification theories and UFO propulsion systems seem appropriate for the subject matter of this thread.

[nedtheguy]

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[dbarberic]

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NASA has now chimed in.

Dr. Zawodny [NASA]: "It [cold fusion] has the demonstrated ability to produce excess amounts of energy, cleanly, without hazardous ionizing radiation, without producing nasty waste."
Narrator: "This clean form of energy is also power, able to support everything from transportation systems to infrastructure."

Dr. Zawodny: "The easiest implementation of this would be for the home. You would have a unit that would replace your water heater. And you would have some sort of cycle to derive electrical energy from that. And then it would dump its waste heat into the water or air handing system for the building. So it would be a dual use thing. It would be sitting there producing heat; [and] you'd drive electricity from it to run your electronics, power the house, power the building, power the lights. And then the waste heat would be used for environmental control [e.g. heat pump / air conditioning] and warm water."

http://pesn.com/2012/01/12/9602009_N..._Game_Changer/

[jiimbergin]

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since this is from NASA, maybe it should not be in a RANT and RAVE thread??

[c1ue]

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Proof is in the pudding.

No pudding so far.

[nedtheguy]

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