Rossi 1 MW Cold Fusion Reactor Being Tested Today

[Mn_Mark]

Today is the big day of the test of the 1 MW "E-Cat" cold fusion reactor. Apparently Rossi has a big corporate customer for this device who has sent consultants to test it today. The Associated Press has sent a reporter who has exclusive rights to the story of today. Others are observing who have been asked not to report until the end of the day when the test is concluded.

Here's a site that has about the most current news I've been able to find:

http://www.e-catworld.com/

Hopefully today we will find out enough information to know how much this is for real.

[lektrode]

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altho i recall this one generating LOTS of heat and light around here a few months back, whats the itulip braintrust consensus - is this for real, or what?

http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/10/e-...irst-customer/

Let’s try to use this thread to keep track of the latest information coming from Bologna. We will be keeping our eyes and ears open for any news we can get coming out of the test, and would be very happy if readers could post any updates and news in the comments section below. Thanks in advance for everyone’s help with keeping up with this fascinating story!

http://www.e-catworld.com/2011/10/e-...irst-customer/

ash? mr c1ue? mr Coles?

and last but not least, we need our 'alternative' energy expert,
mr steve to weigh in here...

(sorry if i left anybody out of this esteemed list... y'all know lots more on this stuff than i ever will, why yer .02 is awaited ;)

[Starving Steve]

Re: Rossi 1 MW Cold Fusion Reactor Being Tested Today

altho i recall this one generating LOTS of heat and light around here a few months back, whats the itulip braintrust consensus - is this for real, or what?




ash? mr c1ue? mr Coles?

and last but not least, we need our 'alternative' energy expert,
mr steve to weigh in here...

(sorry if i left anybody out of this esteemed list... y'all know lots more on this stuff than i ever will, why yer .02 is awaited ;)

If this cold fusion test goes like the Pond-Fleishman test a few decades ago, there will be plenty of energy produced. There will be plenty of hoopla........ And then, a few weeks later, we will find-out that the energy produced was from a chemical reaction and not fusion.

But anyway, that is the history of cold fusion as far as I know; i.e, lots of hoopla and media attention wherever such tests have been tried and then a big let-down a few weeks later. Hopefully for mankind, to-day's test ( or demonstration ) will be different, and we will have a HUGE break-through in energy technology.

[ASH]

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The way I look at it, the basic claim is implausible, but Rossi's (understandable) secrecy prevents either validation or disproof. If he were approaching this as an academic scientist rather than as a business man, we'd know the answer sooner, because independent parties could attempt to reproduce his result, and could scrutinize his experiment. But if he was that open at this stage, he might not be able to capitalize upon his discovery (if real). So instead, we wait for the long term outcome of demonstrations like today's. Obviously, if this is real, and he has the attention of a "big corporate customer", the practical application of the technology will eventually follow, and the proof of his achievement would lie in that application.

In some respects, this reminds me of Blacklight Power, except that Rossi has been less aggressive about claiming to rewrite all of fundamental physics.

It is obvious to the mainstream that man's knowledge of physics is incomplete -- there are plenty of "known unknowns" out there, from which new discoveries could spring. But from the standpoint of plausibility, one expects to find those discoveries mainly in places where one hasn't looked previously (i.e. at time, distance, and energy scales that were previously inaccessible to experimentation) -- and not hidden amongst the familiar. That is one of the main reasons that Rossi and Mills (of Blacklight Power) are greeted with skepticism.

[thriftyandboringinohio]

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On other threads I'm on record as highly skeptical.
I still feel that way.

http://www.itulip.com/forums/showthr...ady-plug-me-in

[Mega]

Re: Rossi 1 MW Cold Fusion Reactor Being Tested Today

This is Bollocks!
Di-lituim crystals next?
Mike

[Mn_Mark]

Re: Rossi 1 MW Cold Fusion Reactor Being Tested Today

The way I look at it, the basic claim is implausible, but Rossi's (understandable) secrecy prevents either validation or disproof. If he were approaching this as an academic scientist rather than as a business man, we'd know the answer sooner, because independent parties could attempt to reproduce his result, and could scrutinize his experiment. But if he was that open at this stage, he might not be able to capitalize upon his discovery (if real). So instead, we wait for the long term outcome of demonstrations like today's. Obviously, if this is real, and he has the attention of a "big corporate customer", the practical application of the technology will eventually follow, and the proof of his achievement would lie in that application.

I think this is right. I don't blame someone for trying to commercialize a discovery like this and get rich from it. If we assume for the sake of argument that it really is a cold fusion process that works, it may be that the catalyst he is using is not particularly difficult to discover (I believe I read that a scientist at U. of Chicago has duplicated the effect) in which case it is in Rossi's financial interest to be way out in front of everyone else in commercializing it. If I had just discovered what is basically the Holy Grail of energy, I don't think I'd be too eager to go spreading around too much info either. Rossi has, I believe, basically said "enough with the demonstrations and proofs, I am going to commercialize it and let the results be the proof".

All the same, after today's "demonstration" which I've been waiting for since March, and which turned out to be a basically nothing more than a few tantalizing, inconclusive photos and videos and the news that a "secret customer" has sent consultants to test it, and that they are satisfied and the "secret customer" has agreed to buy the product, well....I'm unsatisfied. I wanted definitive, controversy-ending proof. All we got was more of the same as the last six months. If he's not going to put the skepticism to rest once and for all, I wish he'd stop tantalizing us. Just sell the damned product then and we'll wait until we see it on shelves somewhere to know for sure that it's for real. He has really handled the proof aspect poorly though. Either PROVE IT or stop telling people about how there's another demonstration coming up that's going to answer all questions.

[tastymannatees]

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http://pesn.com/2011/10/28/9501940_1...st_Successful/

today's test

[astonas]

Re: Rossi 1 MW Cold Fusion Reactor Being Tested Today

All we got was more of the same as the last six months. If he's not going to put the skepticism to rest once and for all, I wish he'd stop tantalizing us. Just sell the damned product then and we'll wait until we see it on shelves somewhere to know for sure that it's for real. He has really handled the proof aspect poorly though. Either PROVE IT or stop telling people about how there's another demonstration coming up that's going to answer all questions.

I think this is the key. While it is of course tempting to try to analyze the scientific merits of the claim, for reasons that may or may not be justified, we simply haven't been provided with sufficient information to do so. So what is left is to ask: Is Rossi acting like a businessman protecting a vital secret, or a charlatan out to scam big investors. My reading is that his actions strongly point to the latter case. He is being even more squirrelly than Fleishman and Pons (who were also successful in convincing some naive investors to buy into junk science). The fact that the "secret investor" was satisfied therefore holds no weight with me, even if the investor does turn out to be real, and not a plant. It isn't THAT hard to find someone with more wealth than common sense.

I'm voting for "con artist".

[DSpencer]

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Probably the biggest opening for skeptics will be the continually running genset that is probably rated for 500 kW (my guess), and appears to have been connected by cables to the E-Cat. "Where's the mystery?" So knock yourselves out, skeptics. It's the customer who has to be happy, and apparently this one was satisfied that those cables were not contributing to the 470 kW output during self-sustaining mode.

What a joke.

[Starving Steve]

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As of 12:30 AM Western European Summer Time, 30 October, 2011: No news about the so-called "break-through in cold fusion technology". Nothing.

Meanwhile, for the global-warming bunch: 30 cm of wet snow has fallen on the East Coast of the U.S, from Virginia northward to Maine. This is a very early snowfall. What might your "experts" say about that?

[Mega]

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Ah, you mean "Clime-ate change" Steve, "We" don't say GW as it was proved to be Bollocks....unless your Al Gore & want to buy C02 credits.

Mike

[jacobdcoates]

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But, but, but..... I thought as the earth warms up there would be MORE snow. Al Gore said so.(sarc off). As for the near free energy thing. I'm with Mega, it's BS.

[c1ue]

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There's not much to be said: a bigger repetition of the original demonstration.

One which it is impossible to discern what the actual performance is, but with lots of hyperbolic commentary on how well it works.

So far, no dice here.

[bungee]

Re: Rossi 1 MW Cold Fusion Reactor Being Tested Today

Ah, you mean "Clime-ate change" Steve, "We" don't say GW as it was proved to be Bollocks....unless your Al Gore & want to buy C02 credits.

Mike

It nicely explained in the second graph here

There has been no global warming / climate change for the last 10 years even though CO2 levels have continued to rise