Hijacking of threads from unpaid area into the paid area.

[cjppjc]

Re: Hijacking of threads from unpaid area into the paid area.

I don't kbow what you guys were venting about. if you were worried about adding your opinions to a thread and this becoming public knowledge then I think Rajiv's idea to take a copy of thread and move it subscriber is ok. But to take information away that was originally intended for public is too much and could be used as a ploy by itulip to drum up more subscriber business.

If not a ploy, an unitended consequence.

[marvenger]

Re: Hijacking of threads from unpaid area into the paid area.

ah the unintended consequence rears its ugly head yet again!

could unjustifiably be seen as a ploy

[Rajiv]

Re: Hijacking of threads from unpaid area into the paid area.

A Fork is what I suggest

In software engineering, a project fork happens when developers take a legal copy of source code from one software package and start independent development on it, creating a distinct piece of software.

Free and open source software is that which, by definition, may be forked from the original development team without prior permission without violating any copyright law. However, licensed forks of proprietary software (e.g. Unix) also happen.

The term fork in this context derives from the use of the term (see Fork (operating system)) in computer operating systems (especially Unix) where it refers to the creation of a copy of a running program (process) by forking a process, which creates two identical processes (like cell division in living things); the two are then independent, and may proceed to do different tasks, as the program dictates. The independent development of two software projects cloned from the same source code is analogous to Unix forking.

Free and open source software may be legally forked with no prior permission, per the definitions of "free software" copyright license ("Freedom 3: The freedom to improve the program, and release your improvements to the public, so that the whole community benefits") and "open source" ("3. Derived Works: redistribution of modifications must be allowed. (To allow legal sharing and to permit new features or repairs.)").

In free software, forks often result from a schism over different goals or personality clashes. In a fork, both parties assume nearly identical code bases but typically only the larger group, or whoever controls the web site, will retain the full original name and the associated user community. Thus there is a reputation penalty associated with forking. The relationship between the different teams can be cordial or very bitter.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Hijacking of threads from unpaid area into the paid area.

A Fork is what I suggest

Forks are not free. They could confuse matters slightly more (for subscribers who can see both sides) as to where to post or find what.

[Rajiv]

Re: Hijacking of threads from unpaid area into the paid area.

Yes that is true in a very limited sense. A subscriber is free to respond to both forks, and his/her reply would be dependent on the context as well as the post to which the reply is made -- of course, keeping in mind the limitations that Eric imposes about quoting from his posts that are in the "Select" area.

My assumption would be that the subscribers would learn a lot more from the richness of both threads, than the non-subscribers, who would be privy to only one. On the other hand moving the thread to a subscription only area denies the original participants of that discussion a venue to discuss that topic.

Of course, the above would make no sense, if the subscribers take the view that the non subscribers offer no value to the discussion, or that one person's (Eric's) views invalidate the thoughts of the others who are discussing this outside the firewall.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Hijacking of threads from unpaid area into the paid area.

Of course, the above would make no sense, if the subscribers take the view that the non subscribers offer no value to the discussion,

Not my view anyway. Unless something in the thread brings it to my attention, I almost always unaware of whether I am in a Subscription forum or whether someone else is a Subscriber.

[Rajiv]

Re: Hijacking of threads from unpaid area into the paid area.

If you go to the page http://itulip.com/forums/

you will see the clear demarcation betwee the Itulip Select and the Public Discussion Forums -- so the issue of not knowing where you are should not crop up.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Hijacking of threads from unpaid area into the paid area.

If you go to the page http://itulip.com/forums/

you will see the clear demarcation betwee the Itulip Select and the Public Discussion Forums -- so the issue of not knowing where you are should not crop up.

True - but in my case, I knew how to find out, but seldom have any interest in knowing.

[Rajiv]

Re: Hijacking of threads from unpaid area into the paid area.

In that case two clearly marked threads -- one in the select area, and one in the public area -- with two different headings. There should be no problem for you since there are so many threads to begin with -- I presume that you can figure out that there are seperate threads on similar topics in two different places -- or is it that you really want to exclude people from discussing a topic in the open area. If that is the case, then every thread started by a select member may have to be duplicated by a non select member to allow for a continued discussion on the topic.

Or maybe there should be no public discussion forums at all, and only paid membership. If that is the case, then in my opinion Itulip would be a poor place indeed.

[Rajiv]

Re: Hijacking of threads from unpaid area into the paid area.

Sorry for the slight misinterpretation of your thoughts in my replies below -- I apologize for what I believe was a misinterpretation of what you wrote.

[ThePythonicCow]

Re: Hijacking of threads from unpaid area into the paid area.

Sorry for the slight misinterpretation of your thoughts in my replies below -- I apologize for what I believe was a misinterpretation of what you wrote.

No problem, no problem whatsoever. All is well.

[cindykimlisa]

Re: Hijacking of threads from unpaid area into the paid area.

perhaps the ITulip admins are a bit busy reeling from what's happened in the past 2 years, and even though they predicted many of the unconventional actions by the Fed, perhaps they are confounded by what's going on and unable to admit to themselves (and us) their inability to forecast going forward. They've been wrong about the equity markets for the past year, now it appears that FIRE is not dead after all, and another bubble in fact has begun. Liquidity has to go somewhere; what is so hard about that (OK maybe I''m oversimplifying, but I don't think so; economics is not contrary to myth, "rocket science"). Make money free and animal spirits will spend and speculate... it is really that simple.

I and others have here have posed the question several times as to why, with the cost of money at 0% (which its been for 15 months and likely to continue for at least another year) how could not a bubble happen, and why is it not reflected in the equity markets, but those questions have been ignored or summarily dismissed ... or maybe they have been answered in the paid area ... fair enough)

Wrong on Obama, Wrong on Equity markets post crash of 08-09, and Wrong on FIRE going the way of the Dodo bird. Hey, we all make mistakes; no harm, no foul; this reader appreciates the honest, "hey we just don't know" anymore, but hey, I suppose that doesn't inspire confidence and sell subscriptions.

Thanks iTullip for helping me avoid the crash of 2008 and for educating me on macroeconomics.

I cannot wait to see how Metal man redirects and respins this comment

Cindy