US Marine: I will Fight American Civilians

[c1ue]

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Now we have a blog posting that would discredit those "calling for a civil war" that shows up just as a militia unit in Michigan is taken down, once again pulled as soon as the blogosphere picks up on it.

Mooster,

Just wondering why you haven't moved to Mexico like Jesse Ventura, if you think the US army/military/CIA is performing black ops PR in the US.

One team defending the constitution puts on their blue uniforms, the secessionists put on their gray uniforms and they meet on the field to entertain spectators like a football game. Lots of families are split between sides, lots of pain and suffering, the stink of death spreads for miles in meatgrinder battles followed by sepsis for the wounded survivors. Later, because ideology rules and education trends toward the pathetic, people 150 years later contemplate doing it all over again.

As a student of the Civil War, my view is that the war wasn't about slavery.

The war was really about states' rights and the tyranny of the majority.

This time around there isn't a geographic divide nor region specific issue to rally around.

It is more along the lines of the Marxist class warfare view.

This matters because in the Civil War - both sides could enlist the general populace to their cause.

In class warfare, it is much more difficult to get the peons to shoot each other.

[sishya]

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I saw this You Tube video - "Secret Underground 2012 Base at Denver Airport" : Conspiracy Theory with Jesse Ventura

Anyone have any comments about this. Why the Free Mason signs in the Airport ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9EpqBf0oCY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jeqjykY5wPk

[ThePythonicCow]

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Mooster,

Just wondering why you haven't moved to Mexico like Jesse Ventura, if you think the US army/military/CIA is performing black ops PR in the US.

Well, as a practical matter, I lack the financial and linguistic resources of Mr. Ventura. I only speak English and I'm far from wealthy.

But how would moving to Mexico help (unless you can afford guarded accommodations)? That place seems more messed up by drug wars (to which I presume the CIA is a party), violence and corruption than most parts of the United States.

The real practical answer is this, I believe: a safe location is a relatively local circumstance, and is somewhat dependent on one's own resources. A given person, with a given skill set and level of awareness and resources, can be quite safe in a particular location, while some other person or the same person in a near by location might be at considerable risk.

The question is not which country is safe. The question is which side of town is safe and what can one do to make one's own situation sufficiently secure.

[jtabeb]

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In class warfare, it is much more difficult to get the peons to shoot each other.

And since there are so many, they will have to line up. ( you know, to save on bullets).

[ThePythonicCow]

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Don't forget to put tin-foil on your window

My trailer park forbids tin-foil on the windows (really .)

[ggirod]

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As a student of the Civil War, my view is that the war wasn't about slavery.

The war was really about states' rights and the tyranny of the majority.

This time around there isn't a geographic divide nor region specific issue to rally around.

If you re-read my comment, I said precisely nothing about slavery - I did, however, mention secession which is where states' rights leads. That's why states' rights has not been generally considered actionable, but then that makes it an ideal rallying cry to distract the disaffected and gets them to support your cause. Heck, they will even march around carrying signs, bricks, and other weaponry.

Last time I thought about secession, it really did seem to split things up geographically, since individual states or blocs thereof secede. This time it might not be contiguous geography, just a bunch of independent states seceding individually which could make their supply chains kind of tenuous. Now, maybe those states would have internal class warfare too, but methinks their militias would make quick work of that problem.

Neglecting, for now, the messy bloodshed, I do have to ponder a few things... like whether senior citizens in seceded states would still get their social security checks? Does GS receive the checks and take care of currency conversions to state scrip or do they need to cross the border to cash their check? Do they have to reside in US territory to collect? Maybe all the gray hairs would have to evacuate the seceded state into US territory. What would that do to property values in the seceded states? Doctors and medical people would follow them but that reduces the cost of living in the seceded state, so goodness all around.

Imagine telling little Johnny and Suzie that their grandparents will be moving out of state and your state will be sending artillery shells into their general neighborhood. And Grannie's forces will be shooting back, too. Makes the whole idea a lot more appealing, no?

Just wondering. Sometimes a little thought can clarify things a lot.

[radon]

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If you re-read my comment, I said precisely nothing about slavery - I did, however, mention secession which is where states' rights leads. That's why states' rights has not been generally considered actionable, but then that makes it an ideal rallying cry to distract the disaffected and gets them to support your cause. Heck, they will even march around carrying signs, bricks, and other weaponry.

Last time I thought about secession, it really did seem to split things up geographically, since individual states or blocs thereof secede. This time it might not be contiguous geography, just a bunch of independent states seceding individually which could make their supply chains kind of tenuous. Now, maybe those states would have internal class warfare too, but methinks their militias would make quick work of that problem.

Neglecting, for now, the messy bloodshed, I do have to ponder a few things... like whether senior citizens in seceded states would still get their social security checks? Does GS receive the checks and take care of currency conversions to state scrip or do they need to cross the border to cash their check? Do they have to reside in US territory to collect? Maybe all the gray hairs would have to evacuate the seceded state into US territory. What would that do to property values in the seceded states? Doctors and medical people would follow them but that reduces the cost of living in the seceded state, so goodness all around.

Imagine telling little Johnny and Suzie that their grandparents will be moving out of state and your state will be sending artillery shells into their general neighborhood. And Grannie's forces will be shooting back, too. Makes the whole idea a lot more appealing, no?

Just wondering. Sometimes a little thought can clarify things a lot.

A little more like this perhaps?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...rpleCounty.jpg

[jimmygu3]

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My trailer park forbids tin-foil on the windows (really .)

95% of trailers with tinfoil on the windows are meth labs. The other 5% are growing pot.

[Starving Steve]

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Why not re-write the U.S. Constitution rather than "preserve and defend the Constitution"?

There are so many things wrong now with the Constitution that it is scary to imagine a neo-fascist, brain-washed by the public school system and the U.S. military, killing fellow Americans to "preserve and defend the Constitution". What is there "to preserve and defend" but permanent grid-lock, corruption, bribes, and back-room deals?

Many early pioneers of California were flat-out against California becoming a state precisely because they recognized the U.S. Constitution as a tool of a big and in 1850, a remote federal government and a tool of special interests, especially in 1850, railroad interests. The statehood vote in California just barely passed.

[ASH]

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Comments anyone?

I don't think it is credible. It might be the actual opinion of an actual Marine; it might not. Not every Marine is a paragon of virtue, and I've run into one or two who had some strange ideas. What matters is that the sentiments expressed are so a-typical as to be unnewsworthy.

I think it is most likely the fabrication of a propagandist because the quality and organization of the writing is conspicuously higher than is characteristic of most letters written by most Marine Sgts. (That proves nothing, but it's something I notice -- certainly something that flags this 'letter' as unusual.) Also, the 'letter' seems crafted more to provoke anti-government outrage than its ostensible goal of dissuading anti-government actions.

Posting this type of story to 'news' does iTulip a disservice, because it puts a very provocative headline on the front page. Casual visitors to this web site don't necessarily understand the difference between posts made by EJ and posts contributed by the public, and it makes the site look a bit more fringe than it actually is.

[bcassill]

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I don't think it is credible. It might be the actual opinion of an actual Marine; it might not. Not every Marine is a paragon of virtue, and I've run into one or two who had some strange ideas. What matters is that the sentiments expressed are so a-typical as to be unnewsworthy.

I think it is most likely the fabrication of a propagandist because the quality and organization of the writing is conspicuously higher than is characteristic of most letters written by most Marine Sgts. (That proves nothing, but it's something I notice -- certainly something that flags this 'letter' as unusual.) Also, the 'letter' seems crafted more to provoke anti-government outrage than its ostensible goal of dissuading anti-government actions.

Posting this type of story to 'news' does iTulip a disservice, because it puts a very provocative headline on the front page. Casual visitors to this web site don't necessarily understand the difference between posts made by EJ and posts contributed by the public, and it makes the site look a bit more fringe than it actually is.

Sorry if the headline seemed a little provocative. I simply copied it from the site where I found it.

[flintlock]

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Also, if said Marine was concerned about those who "attack the Constitution," he could start with the current administration.

My thoughts exactly.

Sounded a bit atypical for most military I know. But they have all kinds, just like the rest of society. Sounded more like a cop than a Marine.

[ASH]

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Sorry if the headline seemed a little provocative. I simply copied it from the site where I found it.

I understand; I probably shouldn't be so twitchy. You contribute a lot to the discussion at iTulip, and I want to thank you for that rather than criticize.

My problem is that iTulip is one of the best places I know to seek refuge from the mainstream financial press, and get some sort of rational handle on the economy. I have a lot of friends who would benefit from that -- who would benefit from being exposed to ideas about FIRE, and credit bubbles, and inflated asset prices, etc. But some of the headlines in the News section are far enough outside their comfort zone that they don't bother reading the economics articles.

You're justified in copying the title of an article that you post to the News section. And it is a management decision by iTulip to post the News headlines on the front page of the website. Ultimately, it is iTulip's management who are responsible if anyone who gets the impression that "this is what iTulip is about" from the news postings. I have no standing here to complain.

I'm just speaking from the standpoint of the evangelist. I want outsiders to sit down and try the free milk and cookies, and listen to an accessible sermon about grace and salvation, before we mention the UFO that we're building in the basement. Keeping the surface level of iTulip within the comfort zone of more people in order to spread the good word is my thing, and there's no reason why it needs to be that way. But I just wanted to explain myself.

--Andrew

[ASH]

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Sounded more like a cop than a Marine.

For your amusement, I saved this email from a couple of years ago. This is what my last platoon Sgt. sounded like when he set pen to paper (or wrote email, anyway):

OOOOORAH MOTIVATORS!!!!

Wanted to take a hot sec and thank each of you for your continued and excellent performance at drill. I swear as I look around I wonder how I have been fortunate enough to land such a outstanding group of self starters! Every drill it seems as though each of you needs less and less instruction just the occasional guidance on particular issues like pay or something small. Throughout the company I constantly witness Marines bypassing their fire team / squad leaders even their own platoon Sgt! There was an incident with one of the sections having their juniors walk right up to the CO and Company 1st Sgt and ask for, get this, ******* TRASH CAN LINERS???!!! I saw it all happen and it made me realize how fortunate I was to have such a well oiled machine in Comm. That's cuz of the amount of discipline and self-leadership each of you consistently demonstrate. I knew when I watched that happen that not one of you would ever do anything like that,...so my hats off to you.

...

I'm all over next drill Devils with the planning coordination and implementation. The CO personally told me, the smoothness and continuity that this drill has gone over with just lets him know that he needs to just sit back (except for a lil' guidance here and there) let Myself SSGT (redacted) and SSGT (redacted) and Gy of course run the show. He said the fore mentioned SNCOs make his job cake! (Curious because I was thinking right when he said it, That's EXACTLY whats my Comm boys do for me when it comes to Platoon level matters, funny how that works) So there it is boys, lets show 'em all next drill how we've been doing it all long....COMM-STYLE.

KIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILL!!!! !

~Motivated SSGT (redacted)

I know it sounds corny -- and not every Marine NCO uses the same diction -- but in a way, it was also awesome.

P.S. The deficiencies in conduct that my platoon Sgt. noted in other platoons are representative of a reserve H&S Company unit operating stateside, and not a polished active duty Marine unit. Shit like that would NOT fly at all (doesn't fly in the reserves, either, but wouldn't have ever happened in an active duty unit). Reserve Marines come up to speed when activated, but things do tend to get sloppy in the reserves when you're only in a military setting 1 weekend a month.

[Sharky]

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Here's a link to the purported author's apology and rewrite of the original article:

http://christopher-calbat.newsvine.c...and-an-apology