Tea Party Protests in DC video

[ViC78]

You have to see this one to believe it. Anger channeled in the wrong direction can be so beneficial to the oligarchy. They have done a might fine job of distracting the populace away from the real issue.

I cannot believe the ignorance and gullibility of some of these protesters.

[D-Mack]

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It's good that they mobilize.



I wonder if it's on the MSM, or are they just trying to downplay the numbers ?

[ThePythonicCow]

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I cannot believe the ignorance and gullibility of some of these protesters.

So what did you see that you disagree with?

I saw a few bits and pieces, perhaps due to careful but unsympathetic editing, that I really disagreed with. There a few who struck me a looney toons, but not many. I'm sure any large group will have a few such, and the media will gladly seek them out. But by and large, it seemed like a fairly varied set of better informed and certainly more engaged citizens than the average Shopping Mall crowd.

Keep in mind, if you haven't noticed already, I'm quite a bit closer to a right wing Republican than the average person here. So what might be obviously lunacy to you and many iTulipers can look quite normal to me.

[D-Mack]

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[Jim Nickerson]

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So what did you see that you disagree with?

I saw a few bits and pieces, perhaps due to careful but unsympathetic editing, that I really disagreed with. There a few who struck me a looney toons, but not many. I'm sure any large group will have a few such, and the media will gladly seek them out. But by and large, it seemed like a fairly varied set of better informed and certainly more engaged citizens than the average Shopping Mall crowd.

Keep in mind, if you haven't noticed already, I'm quite a bit closer to a right wing Republican than the average person here. So what might be obviously lunacy to you and many iTulipers can look quite normal to me.

Five gold stars to you, TPC, for candor and introspection.

[ViC78]

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So what did you see that you disagree with?

I disagree with the objective of the protests. I do not believe that
(a) Obama is a muslim
(b) Obama is a socialist. No actions of his lead to this conclusion. His administration is captured by the oligarchs.
(c) Obama is Hitler

I saw a few bits and pieces, perhaps due to careful but unsympathetic editing, that I really disagreed with. There a few who struck me a looney toons, but not many. I'm sure any large group will have a few such, and the media will gladly seek them out.

Yes, that is a distinct possibility. However, if you look at the pan shots, there seem to a large preponderance of signs with the hitler mustache, socialism, fascism etc. This is completely irrelevant to the supposed objectives of the protests which should have been about the fiscal mismanagement of the country via bank bailouts and handouts to the corporations.

Keep in mind, if you haven't noticed already, I'm quite a bit closer to a right wing Republican than the average person here. So what might be obviously lunacy to you and many iTulipers can look quite normal to me.

Yes, I am aware of that . That is one reason I posted this to "Rant and Rave". Political debates do not change the mind of the other person and I usually try to stray clear of them. However, these protests seem to be designed to take the eye of the public away from the real atrocity and focus their attention on to red herrings.
I always enjoy your posts (most of them, ;)) and would love to hear your opinion on whether these protests are addressing the right issue or not.

[D-Mack]

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I disagree with the objective of the protests. I do not believe that
(a) Obama is a muslim
(b) Obama is a socialist. No actions of his lead to this conclusion. His administration is captured by the oligarchs.
(c) Obama is Hitler



Yes, that is a distinct possibility. However, if you look at the pan shots, there seem to a large preponderance of signs with the hitler mustache, socialism, fascism etc. This is completely irrelevant to the supposed objectives of the protests which should have been about the fiscal mismanagement of the country via bank bailouts and handouts to the corporations.

The Hitler thing is Larouche

NBC, MSNBC and CNN have showcased a controversial image of President Obama depicted as Hitler during recent news coverage of contentious town-hall meetings and health care reform.

"They run dialogue and video over this poster and clearly imply that either Rush Limbaugh or 'conservatives' in general are behind the image, which they use as a symbol of extremism. But look closely, and you discover the real credit. It goes to the Lyndon LaRouche political action committee. You can see it. It's right there," Seton Motley tells Inside the Beltway.

The Media Research Center communications director and blogger calls the coverage "pathetic journalism" that fails to inform the public about the origins of the image or important health care legislation.

"Are these major news organizations willfully ignorant? They make a slap at the right when this Obama-as-Hitler poster is clearly coming from the left. It's absurd, and it's dangerous. The public is not getting the real story," Mr. Motley says.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...1140897/print/

[ThePythonicCow]

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Yes, that is a distinct possibility. However, if you look at the pan shots, there seem to a large preponderance of signs with the hitler mustache, socialism, fascism etc. This is completely irrelevant to the supposed objectives of the protests which should have been about the fiscal mismanagement of the country via bank bailouts and handouts to the corporations.

Well, two things.

I reacted to the "hitler mustache, socialism, fascism etc." signs with a smile and a nod of general agreement. So ... I suspect other than a little amusement at how divergent our views our, there's not a whole lot we can gain discussing that here .

Second, I was not aware that these protests "should have been about the fiscal mismanagement of the country via bank bailouts and handouts to the corporations." Do you have some particular knowledge of what these protests "should have been about", or is that more an expression of what you would protest, were you to do so? It sounds to me as if you are describing an iTulip agenda, not a TeaParty agenda .

[ThePythonicCow]

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The Hitler thing is Larouche

It's wider than that. See for example Howard Katz at The Gold Bug. This reference to Larouche is typical ad hominem discrediting (admittedly all too easy to do when pictures of Hitler are involved.)

[D-Mack]

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It's wider than that. See for example Howard Katz at The Gold Bug. This reference to Larouche is typical ad hominem discrediting (admittedly all too easy to do when pictures of Hitler are involved.)

Even in the pic of the video you can see that it's from Larouche, every picture I have seen had his website in one of the lower corners.

He says he started it.

I don't know ,but they were doing the Nazi remarks pretty often .

Like Chaitkin the co-author of George H. Bush's unauthorized biography





edit: more protesters

[lurker]

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Perfectly illustrating the principle danger of a democracy: that an ignorant and parochial segment of the electorate can be persuaded by those with ample resources to oppose policy that would be in their best interests.

Videos like this make me despair for the future of this country, and also make succession from the union look more and more attractive.

[ThePythonicCow]

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Perfectly illustrating the principle danger of a democracy: that an ignorant and parochial segment of the electorate can be persuaded by those with ample resources to oppose policy that would be in ridicule as ignorant and parochial those who are fighting for their best interests.

There - fixed.

P.S. I'm the token ignorant, parochial right wing Republican around here, if that helps you better understand my edits above.

[vinoveri]

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Best line from the video ...

DC stands for "District of Corruption"

[lurker]

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If you think that the average folk (middle class and poorer) of the US would be worse off under a single payer healthcare system then you clearly have not ever lived in a developed nation with a single payer healthcare system.

These folks raving against "government takeover of healthcare" will find that if ever they are sick, old or poor that the government is the only party willing to step up and pay for their care.

[D-Mack]

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If you think that the average folk (middle class and poorer) of the US would be worse off under a single payer healthcare system then you clearly have not ever lived in a developed nation with a single payer healthcare system.

These folks raving against "government takeover of healthcare" will find that if ever they are sick, old or poor that the government is the only party willing to step up and pay for their care.

And who will give you that ? FIRE ?

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The bill will pass, not with a "public option" but with a private mandate requiring 30 million uninsured to buy private health insurance (if one doesn't already have it). If you are broke, you may get a subsidy. If you are not broke, you will get a fine if you do not purchase insurance.
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