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    Socially Responsible Recession Spending...

    More reports out this morning that GM can't keep up with orders for the Camaro...and the best selling model by far remains the V8 SS version.

    What was that about Obama remaking GM as a "green car" company? :p

    Long live the [made in Canada] American V8 ragtop...
    Spy Shots: Chevy Camaro Convertible caught outside Oshawa plant

    by John Neff on Jun 15th 2009 at 4:29PM
    Last we reported back in March, plans to produce a drop-top version of the Chevy Camaro were still in effect. While the Camaro Convertible may be delayed until early 2011 and arrive as a 2012 model (GM just confirmed it will arrive as a 2011 model), the on again/off again project appears to be firmly in the on position now... and we have proof. Autoblog reader Brad M recently caught the Camaro Convertible getting a tan outside of the Oshawa, Ontario plant that assembls the fixed-roof Camaro. The red convertible was sporting front and rear fascias from the Camaro SS and, with its top retracted, sported a very clean rear deck with only the center stop lamp and satellite radio antenna sticking up. With the chance of a Dodge Challenger Convertible hovering around 0%, we're pleased to see Chevy still intends to take on the Ford Mustang Convertible in the topless wars. Now, back to waiting...
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    Well I'm glad to hear it is doing well, but it's probably only because its just come out with an all new model. They need big sustained numbers well past enthusiast/performance purchases to actually make money on that car. Once the initial hoopla fades I suspect it will go back to being just another car they have to practically give away at the dealer to move. Remember the recent incarnation of the Ford Thunderbird? Initial press reports had you thinking that was going to be a big hit, but how many of those do you see driving around these days? Hopefully this one works out better.

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      Originally posted by flintlock View Post
      Well I'm glad to hear it is doing well, but it's probably only because its just come out with an all new model. They need big sustained numbers well past enthusiast/performance purchases to actually make money on that car. Once the initial hoopla fades I suspect it will go back to being just another car they have to practically give away at the dealer to move. Remember the recent incarnation of the Ford Thunderbird? Initial press reports had you thinking that was going to be a big hit, but how many of those do you see driving around these days? Hopefully this one works out better.
      No doubt the new release, and likely the Transformers movie, are behind the apparent craving for the car.

      As for the Thunderbird, that turned out to be one of Ford global design chief J. Mays less successful efforts. But Mays is the designer behind the concept cars that led to the retro-racer inspired Audi TT and the New Beetle [before he joined Ford] and his current generation Mustang is the car the Camaro is going to have to work hard to catch up with.

      J. Mays also seems to have had some influence over Ian Callum who is largely responsible for the current generation Jaguar XK [imo the most pleasing rendition since the '67 E-Type], which was produced when Ford owned the company.

      Although the Thunderbird was not a market success, designers like Mays and Callum are part of the reason that Ford didn't follow in the same footsteps as GM and Chrysler. At least Ford's iconic cars aren't bland, jelly-bean look-alikes, indistinguishable from so many other products.

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        Originally posted by GRG55 View Post
        No doubt the new release, and likely the Transformers movie, are behind the apparent craving for the car.

        As for the Thunderbird, that turned out to be one of Ford global design chief J. Mays less successful efforts. But Mays is the designer behind the concept cars that led to the retro-racer inspired Audi TT and the New Beetle [before he joined Ford] and his current generation Mustang is the car the Camaro is going to have to work hard to catch up with.

        J. Mays also seems to have had some influence over Ian Callum who is largely responsible for the current generation Jaguar XK [imo the most pleasing rendition since the '67 E-Type], which was produced when Ford owned the company.

        Although the Thunderbird was not a market success, designers like Mays and Callum are part of the reason that Ford didn't follow in the same footsteps as GM and Chrysler. At least Ford's iconic cars aren't bland, jelly-bean look-alikes, indistinguishable from so many other products.
        it pisses me off that ford has to compete with gov't motors...gm. not fair... quite happy in a word where ford, nissan, et al compete w/o gm.... call me unsentimental.

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          Originally posted by metalman View Post
          it pisses me off that ford has to compete with gov't motors...gm. not fair... quite happy in a word where ford, nissan, et al compete w/o gm.... call me unsentimental.
          I always found strange that Toyota, Ford, Honda et al. did not scream "bloody murder" over GM.

          Could it be that they were promised something and we will only learn about it in a few years?

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            they're lining up at the trough.

            U.S. Technology Loans for Ford, Nissan and Tesla


            http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...san-and-tesla/
            The Department of Energy has released the first third of its $25 billion advanced technology loan fund for automakers to “create thousands of green jobs while helping reduce the nation’s dangerous dependence on foreign oil.”
            The agency released about $8 billion, with Ford the largest beneficiary, receiving $5.9 billion. Nissan received $1.6 billion and Tesla Motors got $465 million...

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              Originally posted by jk View Post
              they're lining up at the trough.

              U.S. Technology Loans for Ford, Nissan and Tesla


              http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2009...san-and-tesla/
              The Department of Energy has released the first third of its $25 billion advanced technology loan fund for automakers to “create thousands of green jobs while helping reduce the nation’s dangerous dependence on foreign oil.”
              The agency released about $8 billion, with Ford the largest beneficiary, receiving $5.9 billion. Nissan received $1.6 billion and Tesla Motors got $465 million...
              The more things change...

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