Announcement

Collapse
No announcement yet.

Thomas Jefferson's Bible

Collapse
X
 
  • Filter
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts

  • Thomas Jefferson's Bible

    Jefferson Bible reveals Founding Father's view of God, faith


    By Louis Sahagun, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
    July 05, 2008

    Making good on a promise to a friend to summarize his views on Christianity, Thomas Jefferson set to work with scissors, snipping out every miracle and inconsistency he could find in the New Testament Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke and John.


    Then, relying on a cut-and-paste technique, he reassembled the excerpts into what he believed was a more coherent narrative and pasted them onto blank paper -- alongside translations in French, Greek and Latin.

    In a letter sent from Monticello to John Adams in 1813, Jefferson said his "wee little book" of 46 pages was based on a lifetime of inquiry and reflection and contained "the most sublime and benevolent code of morals which has ever been offered to man."

    He called the book "The Life and Morals of Jesus of Nazareth." Friends dubbed it the Jefferson Bible. It remains perhaps the most comprehensive expression of what the nation's third president and principal author of the Declaration of Independence found ethically interesting about the Gospels and their depiction of Jesus.

    "I have performed the operation for my own use," he continued, "by cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter, which is evidently his and which is as easily distinguished as diamonds in a dunghill."

    The little leather-bound tome, several facsimiles of which are kept at the Huntington Library in San Marino, continues to fascinate scholars exploring the powerful and varied relationships between the Founding Fathers and the most sacred book of the Western World.

    The big question now, said Lori Anne Ferrell, a professor of early modern history and literature at Claremont Graduate University, is this:
    "Can you imagine the reaction if word got out that a president of the United States cut out Bible passages with scissors, glued them onto paper and said, 'I only believe these parts?' "

    "He was a product of his age," said Ferrell, whose upcoming book, "The Bible and the People," includes a chapter on the Jefferson Bible. "Yet, he is the least likely person I'd want to pray with. He was more skeptical about religion than the other Founding Fathers."

    In Jefferson's version of the Gospels, for example, Jesus is still wrapped in swaddling clothes after his birth in Bethlehem. But there's no angel telling shepherds watching their flocks by night that a savior has been born. Jefferson retains Jesus' crucifixion but ends the text with his burial, not with the resurrection.

    Stripping miracles from the story of Jesus was among the ambitious projects of a man with a famously restless mind. At 71, he read Plato's "Republic" in the original Greek and found it lackluster.


    Ever the scientist, he inoculated his wife, children and many of his slaves against smallpox with fresh pus drawn from infected domestic farm animals, according to Robert C. Ritchie, W.M. Keck Foundation director of research at the Huntington Library.

    "For a lot of people, taking scissors to the Bible would be such an act of desecration they wouldn't do it," Ritchie said. "Yet, it gives a reading into Jefferson's take on the Bible, which was not as divine word put into print, but as a book that can be cut up."

    Jefferson, a tall vigorous man who preferred Thucydides and Cicero to the newspapers of his day, was not the only 18th century leader who questioned traditional Christian teachings.

    Like many other upper-class, educated citizens of the new republic, including George Washington, Jefferson was a deist.

    Deists differed from traditional Christians by rejecting miraculous occurrences and prophecies and embracing the notion of a well-ordered universe created by a God who withdrew into detached transcendence.

    Critics of the time regarded deism as an ill-conceived attempt to reconcile religion with scientific discoveries. For rationalists in the Age of Enlightenment, deism was one of many efforts to liberate humankind from what the deists viewed as superstitious beliefs.

    Jefferson was a particular fan of Joseph Priestley, a scientist, ordained minister and one of Jefferson's friends. Priestley -- who discovered oxygen and invented carbonated water and the rubber eraser -- published books that infamously cast a critical eye upon biblical miracles. Jefferson was particularly fond of Preistley's comparison of the lives and teachings of Socrates and Jesus.

    Discussions and letters between Jefferson and another friend, Philadelphia physician Benjamin Rush, led Jefferson to compile his "wee little book." In a letter to Rush on April 21, 1803, Jefferson said his editing experiment aimed to see whether the ethical teachings of Jesus could be separated from elements he believed were attached to Christianity over the centuries.

    "To the corruption of Christianity I am indeed opposed," he wrote to Rush, "but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself."
    Therefore, Ritchie said, "for Jefferson, the Bible was a book that could be made and unmade."

    The Jefferson Bible remained largely unknown beyond a close circle of relatives and friends until 1904, when its publication was ordered by Congress. About 9,000 copies were issued and distributed in the Senate and the House.

    Today several editions of the Jefferson Bible are available through booksellers. A few online versions exist, including one on the website of the Jefferson Monticello, www.monticello.org/library/links/jefferson.html.

    It is hard to say whether Jefferson would have objected to publication of the book.

    "Say nothing of my religion," Jefferson once said. "It is known to myself and my God alone. Its evidence before the world is to be sought in my life; if that has been honest and dutiful to society, the religion which has regulated it cannot be a bad one."
    http://articles.latimes.com/2008/jul...al/me-beliefs5

  • #2
    Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

    "but not to the genuine precepts of Jesus himself."

    The problem is, I need a way to remember what my true wish is.

    Comment


    • #3
      Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

      We're all very fortunate that our 2nd and 3rd President lived long enough to reconcile and create a body of communication that scholars still study today. As most here will know, both died on July 4th 1826, 50 years to the day from our Declaration of Independence. Am I reading something into this statement or did Jefferson call the Bible a pile of shit? I've always liked his attitude but he would have been killed by those forgiving Christians if they'd gotten a hold if this letter.

      "I have performed the operation for my own use," he continued, "by cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter, which is evidently his and which is as easily distinguished as diamonds in a dunghill."

      Comment


      • #4
        Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

        Originally posted by santafe2 View Post
        Am I reading something into this statement or did Jefferson call the Bible a pile of shit?
        No I don't think he did.

        If you see something I didn't please point it out.

        Comment


        • #5
          Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

          Originally posted by cjppjc View Post
          No I don't think he did.

          If you see something I didn't please point it out.
          Jefferson says, "diamonds in a dunghill". That is, his 46 pages are by his account, diamonds and the rest of the "printed book" is a dunghill. How did you read this differently?

          Comment


          • #6
            Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

            I read that the same way santafe2

            If you read some of the works of this guy

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlheinz_Deschner

            One's eyes (if interested in the matters of the Catholic Church) will widen considerable.

            However it was most interesting to find out that Jefferson saw the need to "analyze" the Bible. I would guess with his understanding of how the "world turns" he thought it would be a useful project. :rolleyes:

            Comment


            • #7
              Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

              Maybe he was under the influence of Marcion. Only the New not the old
              Tastement. A heretic?

              Comment


              • #8
                Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

                Originally posted by santafe2 View Post
                Jefferson says, "diamonds in a dunghill". That is, his 46 pages are by his account, diamonds and the rest of the "printed book" is a dunghill. How did you read this differently?
                But Jefferson did value those 46 pages of diamonds. This is quite different from dismissing the entire book as crap. He only dismissed 95% of the book ;), while placing great value in the rest.
                Most folks are good; a few aren't.

                Comment


                • #9
                  Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

                  if you're interested in this kind of thing


                  http://www.howjesusbecamechristian.com/

                  This is a nonfiction bestseller in Canada currently. Lot of bookstores I"ve been in the last 6 months have it displayed prominently. Haven't heard any death threats yet, so i'm guessing it's not available in Alberta or much of the US yet.

                  summary: the religion OF Yeshua/Jesus Christ, the religion that practiced what JC taught, died

                  The religion of Paul, which has nothing to do with what Jehoshua/Yeshua/Jesus preached, has survived.

                  The book of acts, which in its most important claims tries to tie Paul's religion to Jesus' teachings, is a complete fabrication, at least with respect to those tieing claims.

                  A large part of the book traces jew-phobia/hatred to as early as 50 years after Yeshua's death.
                  Last edited by Spartacus; June 26, 2009, 03:37 AM.

                  Comment


                  • #10
                    Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

                    Jefferson was a closet Atheist.

                    Comment


                    • #11
                      Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

                      Deschner's works show nicely (fully documented and that is why he won in court) how the Church evolved into what it is today. A "government", not a Spiritual organization.

                      The Bible has been "shaped" and anything that did not fit was burned or in some way destroyed. The best part is to read how this was done which for me was an eye opener.

                      That Jefferson whittled down the Bible to 46 pages is not surprising to me. Jesus's message was simple and not something the "business" people at the temple wanted to hear. It wouldn't make them money. Money and power was the motivation behind the struggle all the time

                      Comment


                      • #12
                        Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

                        Originally posted by santafe2 View Post
                        Jefferson says, "diamonds in a dunghill". That is, his 46 pages are by his account, diamonds and the rest of the "printed book" is a dunghill. How did you read this differently?

                        I did not notice that sentence in my first reading. Thank you.

                        Comment


                        • #13
                          Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

                          I have the "Complete Works of Thomas Paine," which includes several long essays on what amounts to the separation of religion from government. Paine is quite critical of what passed for Christianity, and attempts to link it with the offical order of things. "How dare anyone come between a man and his maker," is the way he puts it.

                          He, too, would have been called a deist. These folks come out of a long line of dissenters and quakers. Mr. Jefferson was not unique in his views.

                          Comment


                          • #14
                            Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

                            If the Book of Acts is a fabrication then you are close to Nietzsche. Paul is the revenge of Sadducees.

                            Comment


                            • #15
                              Re: Thomas Jefferson's Bible

                              Jefferson would have appreciated Dietrich Bonhoeffer's thoughts on 'Religionless Christianity'. Very liberating and redeeming.


                              To quote Mahatma Gandhi:

                              "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.

                              If Christians would really live according to the teachings of Christ, as found in the Bible, all of India would be Christian today."

                              Comment

                              Working...
                              X