Baby who died from the flu in Texas was from Mexico

[Supercilious]

Re: Baby who died from the flu in Texas was from Mexico

To get a good overview and understanding of the situation here is a good article by Dr. Mercola:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...Swine-Flu.aspx

Thanks powersown. That was a good link. These days common sense is hard to find.

[FRED]

Re: Baby who died from the flu in Texas was from Mexico

This unfortunately turned into a conspiracy theory thread. Moved to Rant and Rave.

[Supercilious]

Re: Baby who died from the flu in Texas was from Mexico

Cheezus! I've just read from another forum some competent advice that the antibiotics for pets are good too, so you can use it for your personal stash of drugs acquired without prescription.:eek:

I'm not really interested right now in buying antibiotics, but I'm wondering if Viagra pills for horses are effective too if taken by humans.

[FRED]

Re: Baby who died from the flu in Texas was from Mexico

Cheezus! I've just read from another forum some competent advice that the antibiotics for pets are good too, so you can use it for your personal stash of drugs acquired without prescription.:eek:

I'm not really interested right now in buying antibiotics, but I'm wondering if Viagra pills for horses are effective too if taken by humans.

This is iTulip.com not PrisonPlanet.com.

[jimmygu3]

Re: Baby who died from the flu in Texas was from Mexico

I'm not really interested right now in buying antibiotics, but I'm wondering if Viagra pills for horses are effective too if taken by humans.

I recommend cutting them in half. Learned that one the hard way.

[Supercilious]

Re: Baby who died from the flu in Texas was from Mexico

This is iTulip.com not PrisonPlanet.com.

FRED you are wrong again. That other forum where I've read that is Tickerforum

Erythromycin is also available OTC for your birdies and is good.

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They write prescriptions for FISH?

You can buy Ciprofloxacin in bulk through Alibaba.com. You'll be able to get enough for your whole neighborhood if you want. Or else you can contact a Marine Fish wholesaler, and purchase it through them.

To me, it seems this is a clear case of "OMG!" pandemic....



BTW do you really believe is tinfoil to observe that there is too much panic pumped in the media?

I find if funny that people who never have been before in a real danger of losing their life (as that real danger experienced by frontline war veterans, hard core rockclimbers, survivors catastrophes, first responders in TSHTF events, etc) can be very susceptible to losing their heads in panic.

[metalman]

Re: Baby who died from the flu in Texas was from Mexico

FRED you are wrong again. That other forum where I've read that is Tickerforum
To me, it seems this is a clear case of "OMG!" pandemic....



BTW do you really believe is tinfoil to observe that there is too much panic pumped in the media?

I find if funny that people who never have been before in a real danger of losing their life (as that real danger experienced by frontline war veterans, hard core rockclimbers, survivors catastrophes, first responders in TSHTF events, etc) can be very susceptible to losing their heads in panic.

the adults are having a conversation on the topic over here...

It is rewarding to have a few topics to which I can contribute some expertise here (oddly, the combination of electric bikes/vehicles, molecular biology/microbiology, physics, and computing...but not finance).

Anyway, for viruses and bacteria alike, there are a few precursors to the evolution of a deadly strain:

1. The first precursor is that it can infect humans at all. This has to do with the proteins on the surface of the virus (that's what the H and N codes are for), and whether they can interlock with structures on the outside membranes of our own cells. Clearly, this virus has no problem attaching and gaining entry into our host cells. Score one for the new virus.

2. The second is that it can survive inside the host cells, and avoid the innate immune system. Innate immunity is a broad, non specific way of fighting various invaders, and involves things like cytokines, release of H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide), and many others. It is used as the front line to fight bugs, while our adaptive immunity "learns" more specific tactics to fight the invader (vaccines help accelerate adaptive immunity). Many bacteria and viruses have come up with mechanisms for avoiding innate immune defenses, such as immune evasion or hijacking control of immune responses. It is clear that this virus has one or more mechanisms to thwart the innate immune systems (at least for a while), so the only line of defense is adaptive immunity. The reason so many health authorities are concerned about this virus is that our bodies have not seen anything like it before (except perhaps some older folks who were exposed to a similar pandemic in the 1950's). So our adaptive immunity has a lot of learning to do before it will recognize this virus. Hence our cells are more susceptible than to other more familiar influenza viruses. Score two for the new virus.

3. The third is that it is readily transmissible from host to host. This has to do with many factors, including its location in the body (ie whether a cough/sneeze results in its expulsion into the air), how long it can survive outside a host (ie what kind of capsid or viral envelope it has), and how many viral particles are required to get an infection going (related to point #1 above). Since this virus spreads readily from host to host now, we have a third score for this virus.

it goes on...

[Supercilious]

Re: Baby who died from the flu in Texas was from Mexico

it goes on...

Metalman you deserve a reward sticker from FRED. Definitely this post of yours may bring one or two subscriptions ....;)

Let me know when the discussion gets to the issues of electric bikes, computing, and physics

[Supercilious]

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I recommend cutting them in half. Learned that one the hard way.

Ha ha ha! This was the best piece of medical advice I've seen recently on internet. You made my day jimmygu3

[metalman]

Re: Baby who died from the flu in Texas was from Mexico

I recommend cutting them in half. Learned that one the hard way.

that is the funniest thing i've read in a year.