iTulip 2008 Presidential Poll: Who are you voting for today?

[Rantly McTirade]

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i already voted- for obama.
along with other reasons cited by others here [temperament, intelligence, race*, etc] i will add that he is more likely, in cooperation with a strongly democratic congress, to quickly pass the "new, new deal" legislation that will be needed to ameliorate the unfolding economic crisis. he's also been straight in declaring that sacrifices will be required, and is an inspirational enough leader to sell that idea.





* i think that electing a black president would be a very good thing for social relations within this increasingly multi-ethnic and multi-racial country. it would also be a strong assertion of american ideals - where else in the developed world could a black child of a single mother become president?

Barack Obama is actually biracial, he's as white as he is black. His, and the media's, avoiding that truth and going along with the 'he's black' line
shows the weakness of his candidacy-all he has to offer is the chance to
'make history', 'break new ground' and other marketing irrelevancies.
Well, that and an slightly greater increase in the welfare state(than the other side of the coin) and further cultural and social perversity which,
unlike the other side of the coin, he'll happily embrace(as opposed to issuing heated rhetoric against-and then silently embracing); the latter is
why the media are pimping him.

[Rantly McTirade]

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I'd say MN Mark can be fairly accused of having a racial consciousness.
This has been be fine for everyone except whites. Has been.
If 'celebration' of racial groups is to continue, or even just plain recognition,you should expect whites(except the terminal guilt-trippers-and there's lots of those) to finally demand equal 'celebration'-or the actual irrelevancy of race in all public life(not likely based on human history). We'd actually all be treated the same, or at least 'on the content of our characters, not the color of our skin', to quote another well-known socialist.
Now that'd be 'change we can believe in'.:rolleyes:

[Guest]

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"Thankfully, you racist nut cases are becoming less and less relevant."

"it's about time sentiments about race in the usa caught up with our merit based cultural values as americans. good riddince (sic) to the racist generations. gone forever. "

Tell that to the white South Africans. In 1994, 70% of them drank the white liberal koolaid and voted themselves into the political minority on the promise that if they would just stop being racists, the future would be all about merit and equality and reconciliation. Instead they now find themselves under siege, legally discriminated against in jobs, prohibited from owning more than 49% of their own family businesses (they have to find a black person to give 51% to), the victims of rampant crime, rape, and murder (with a 2-3% rate of solving the murders). The famous white South Africa liberal writers whose writings contributed to ending apartheid are moving away to Australia and Europe. They have seen firsthand what they did to their own people and now they are running away. Nice for them, not so nice for the people who can't afford to leave.

But you never hear about South Africa anymore. White western liberals prefer not to think about what has happened there in the wake of the adoption of their reform program. Or in Zimbabwe. There is a slow-motion anti-white genocide unfolding there, but it doesn't fit the liberal script so it's not discussed.

So we are in an era where young white people have been indoctrinated for the last several decades in their schools and in the mass media that the history of whites is shameful and that they must never think in terms of race - while blacks, latinos, and others openly identify with their own ethnic groups and interests, openly speak of themselves as a people based solely on race, openly push for special considerations based solely on race rather than merit. So we are going to have to go through the fire here, until young white people reach an age where they are trying to raise a family in safety with decent schools and without racial discrimination against whites. They say a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. There's a whole generation of young whites who have a lot of muggings coming their way. Right now they are in the full flush of youthful passion and idealism, scornful of older people (i.e. people with significant life experience) and sure that they have discovered new amazing truths that old fools can't see.

The easy conclusion is that there will probably never be a more disillusioned generation of people in American history than the generation of young whites who are voting for Obama. By the time they are in their middle age they will shake their heads sadly that they could have been so wrong.

Mugabe wasn't stealing White's land and impoverishing the nation in the process. Remember, he was just "spreading it around".

Results matter. Intentions do not. We have a nation today of people scrambling to show that their good intentions are better than their peers, soas to acheive a higher social status, results be-damned.

And anyone who "follows" and believes everything that comes out of the mouth of any politician is a fool. You might as well "follow" a used car salesman.

[ThePythonicCow]

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The easy conclusion is that there will probably never be a more disillusioned generation of people in American history than the generation of young whites who are voting for Obama. By the time they are in their middle age they will shake their heads sadly that they could have been so wrong.

You make some good points. It seems to some propagandists, mostly on the left, that allowing a straight, white, conservative, religious male in a position of power is the most racist, bigotted, homphobic, biased, sexist, stupid thing one can do. Once again, the meanings of words are turned on their heads.

However the skeptic in me is less confident that our Obama crazed youth will have that moment of awakening in their middle age. The schools, media, blogs, and (I hear tell) even some of the churches have so consistently led them left from the day of their birth that I doubt most of them will ever come to their senses.

[Master Shake]

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this 'generation we' makes me nervous.


this movement is the kernel of the ultimate 'we' program... a socialism to grow to wipe out what's left of real capitalism once the money vaporises from the ponzy capitalism that paid for the gen-we's fantasy kumbaya techno utopia. let's see how generous they feel when they can't afford to put gas in the scion, the pay the cell phone or broadband cable bill.

look for a boom in amazon sales of das kapital.

Gen We sounds like a bunch of easily lead Utopianistas.

[Master Shake]

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"Thankfully, you racist nut cases are becoming less and less relevant."

"it's about time sentiments about race in the usa caught up with our merit based cultural values as americans. good riddince (sic) to the racist generations. gone forever. "

Tell that to the white South Africans. In 1994, 70% of them drank the white liberal koolaid and voted themselves into the political minority on the promise that if they would just stop being racists, the future would be all about merit and equality and reconciliation. Instead they now find themselves under siege, legally discriminated against in jobs, prohibited from owning more than 49% of their own family businesses (they have to find a black person to give 51% to), the victims of rampant crime, rape, and murder (with a 2-3% rate of solving the murders). The famous white South Africa liberal writers whose writings contributed to ending apartheid are moving away to Australia and Europe. They have seen firsthand what they did to their own people and now they are running away. Nice for them, not so nice for the people who can't afford to leave.

But you never hear about South Africa anymore. White western liberals prefer not to think about what has happened there in the wake of the adoption of their reform program. Or in Zimbabwe. There is a slow-motion anti-white genocide unfolding there, but it doesn't fit the liberal script so it's not discussed.

So we are in an era where young white people have been indoctrinated for the last several decades in their schools and in the mass media that the history of whites is shameful and that they must never think in terms of race - while blacks, latinos, and others openly identify with their own ethnic groups and interests, openly speak of themselves as a people based solely on race, openly push for special considerations based solely on race rather than merit. So we are going to have to go through the fire here, until young white people reach an age where they are trying to raise a family in safety with decent schools and without racial discrimination against whites. They say a conservative is a liberal who's been mugged. There's a whole generation of young whites who have a lot of muggings coming their way. Right now they are in the full flush of youthful passion and idealism, scornful of older people (i.e. people with significant life experience) and sure that they have discovered new amazing truths that old fools can't see.

The easy conclusion is that there will probably never be a more disillusioned generation of people in American history than the generation of young whites who are voting for Obama. By the time they are in their middle age they will shake their heads sadly that they could have been so wrong.

+1. Preach on, brother!

[Gnosis]

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Barack Obama will be a social disaster, and possibly an economic disaster as well. If you like "W" then you'll LOVE John McCain! Since the idiocy of Iraq is apparently not sufficient for him, maybe he will get us into a war with Russia over poor, oppressed Georgia, since every place on this planet must be of vital national interest to the United States, right? And neither one of these pseudo-socialists is living in the real economic world.
I have decided to vote for the only available candidate who represents me: Chuck Baldwin - The Constitution Party.

Yep, Remember the Constitution. Vote to uphold its principles.

[Charles Mackay]

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Anyone who saw how the media marginalized third party candidates like Ross Perot and Harry Browne, or even Republican candidates running against the elite's agenda like Ron Paul will have to admit that what Clive Maund says below is true. Expect Obama to do the elite's bidding (since they put him office with money and media) and also expect our freedoms to be reduced even further thru taxes, regulation, rationing of healthcare, rationing of gasoline, wage and price controls, rent control, exchange controls, a national sales tax, and a full break with posse comitatus.


Why voting in the US elections is A COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME ...
by Clive Maund
published November 1st, 2008.

The United States likes to portray itself as the bastion of freedom and champion of democracy, but if this were really true then there would be at least 6 or 8 different parties to choose from at election time, and given that it is now a country of over 300 million people a choice of at least 10 different parties would be more appropriate, but instead there are just two. Why is this? The reason comes down to the "concentration of power" issue that we addressed in an earlier article with respect to corporate American and the systematic disenfranchisement of its population. The reality is that the two remaining political parties, the Democratic and Republican parties are in fact one, and the only reason that the ultimate step is never taken and the parties merged is that with one party to vote for and an election being completely superfluous, even Joe Sixpack would realize that he is living in a dictatership. So the 2 remaining parties continue to dumbbell around each other for ever, maintaining the thinnest facade of democracy, and controlling the country for their elitist masters via their duopoly of power.

The plutocratic elites who control the United States and both the Democratic and Republican parties also have complete control over the media, whose job it is to maintain the illusion of democracy, especially during the farcical circus of the election campaign. They do this by playing up contrived and trivial differences between the parties and by playing up personalities who the voting public can identify with, a recent example of this crude but effective approach being the Alaskan Hockey mom Sarah Palin suddenly being thrust forward into the limelight, and intended to provide a counterpoint to the sagging old man who would be President, John McCain. At a time of life when he should be content to sit in a rocking chair on his front porch, and dead head the roses and perhaps give occasional advice to troubled young people, McCain intends to try to run a country of 300 million people. He looks like one long haul flight would finish him off. Although Obama would seem to be the better choice for President, on account of his youthful energy, generally positive dynamic attitude and eloquent use of English, the sad fact is that he is in the pockets of his plutocratic masters just as McCain is and must end up doing their bidding - if he wasn't his funding would have dried up and he would have been run into a ditch long ago. So with both parties and both candidates completely compromised and representing the same vested interests, it is clear that voting will accomplish absolutely nothing and change nothing - it is a complete and utter waste of time. The entire election campaign is a charade whose real purpose is to maintain the elites' stranglehold on power, whilst at the same time maintaining the illusion that the US is a free and fair

It is always good to end an essentially gloomy article on a positive note. Whoever wins the election and becomes the next President has got to be an improvement on the crass and imbecilic George W Bush, who only got the job through extreme corruption and graft. society, but otherwise it is a total waste of time and energy.

[Basil]

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Barack Obama is actually biracial, he's as white as he is black. His, and the media's, avoiding that truth and going along with the 'he's black' line
shows the weakness of his candidacy-all he has to offer is the chance to
'make history', 'break new ground' and other marketing irrelevancies.
Well, that and an slightly greater increase in the welfare state(than the other side of the coin) and further cultural and social perversity which,
unlike the other side of the coin, he'll happily embrace(as opposed to issuing heated rhetoric against-and then silently embracing); the latter is
why the media are pimping him.

If you grow up half black in the United States, you suffer all the stigma that someone who is fully black would suffer. I am white as white can be, but grew up in DC, a very black city, and had several friends from mixed race families. Due to the manner in which they were treated by society, all of them experienced the world as a black man or woman when in public. Even light skin bi-racial African Americans who are wealthy, have gone to the best schools, drive nice cars, etc. are treated with disdain and bigotry in many parts of our country. I would imagine that has been a significant part of Obama's experience as well. In this way, he has experienced the world far more as a black man than as a white man.

What we see in the media is not an effort to avoid his bi-racial reality, but a reflection of the manner in which our society treats racial matters. To say they have avoided it is incorrect. There have been entire articles about his mother and how she raised him. To say he has avoided it is incorrect. His grandmother was even featured in some of his commercials. His manner of addressing this issue only when necessary has in fact been exemplary.

[D-Mack]

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Ah, Zbiggy. A re-tread from the glorious Carter years.

He will probably use tha back door to visit the "script-reader-in-chief", like his old friend Kissinger did with Bush.

"One thing the book will tell us is that former Secretary of State and National Security Adviser Henry Kissinger is a regular visitor to President Bush," wrote Smith.

"The president likes to receive visits from Nixon's former and most famous aide, and he urges Dr. Kissinger to call him anytime he is in Washington," the column continued.

"This will come as a surprise to the many who think the president doesn't listen to anybody," Smith wrote.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Wo...sits_0928.html

[D-Mack]

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Anyone who saw how the media marginalized third party candidates like Ross Perot and Harry Browne, or even Republican candidates running against the elite's agenda like Ron Paul will have to admit that what Clive Maund says below is true. Expect Obama to do the elite's bidding (since they put him office with money and media) and also expect our freedoms to be reduced even further thru taxes, regulation, rationing of healthcare, rationing of gasoline, wage and price controls, rent control, exchange controls, a national sales tax, and a full break with posse comitatus.

...

I was surprised how much exposure Paul got, I remembered how Democratic challengers were marginalized and even arrested in the 90's watching Spin

Spin

Using the 1992 presidential election as his springboard, documentary filmmaker Brian Springer captures the behind-the-scenes maneuverings of politicians and newscasters in the early 1990s. Pat Robertson banters about "homos," Al Gore learns how to avoid abortion questions, George Bush talks to Larry King about halcyon -- all presuming they're off camera. Composed of 100% unauthorized satellite footage, Spin is a surreal expose of media-constructed reality.

I guess now with the internet it got really hard to hide the truth.

[bpr]

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Anyone who saw how the media marginalized third party candidates like Ross Perot and Harry Browne, or even Republican candidates running against the elite's agenda like Ron Paul will have to admit that what Clive Maund says below is true. Expect Obama to do the elite's bidding (since they put him office with money and media) and also expect our freedoms to be reduced even further thru taxes, regulation, rationing of healthcare, rationing of gasoline, wage and price controls, rent control, exchange controls, a national sales tax, and a full break with posse comitatus.

Good points, all. I would only add Kucinich and Nader, the only two I would refer to as liberals with a straight face, to your list of shunned candidates. Paul had an impressive grassroots organization with widely-distributed internet supporters.

A ray of hope was that I saw, for the first time I believe, the Libertarian Party listed under the "Straight party" section of the ballot here in PA.

[Charles Mackay]

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Good points, all. I would only add Kucinich and Nader, the only two I would refer to as liberals with a straight face, to your list of shunned candidates. Paul had an impressive grassroots organization with widely-distributed internet supporters.

A ray of hope was that I saw, for the first time I believe, the Libertarian Party listed under the "Straight party" section of the ballot here in PA.

Good point... add Kucinich and Nader to that list of intentionally marginalized third party candidates.

[Slimprofits]

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I'm voting for:

Bob Barr - President Libertarian party - protest vote against the major candidates - I would have liked to have seen Romney (R) vs Warner (D) in the General election.

Zane Starkwolfe - Republican for the US Congress first district in California against the incumbent Democrat Mike Thompson

Jim Pell - Republican for the California State Assembly - the incumbent Democrat is out via term limits and the Democrat running is an incumbent state senator looking to get around term limits by changing to the assembly.

Yes on prop 5 and no on all others here in California.

I am not voting for Ming Chin for the State Supreme Court, but there is also no opposition.

[orion]

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Charles I also enjoyed your post about the two party system. I think the problem is professional politicians. They have it down to a science where one side scares you pro / con about an issue, then rakes in the support dollars (guns, abortion, social security, etc). Also watch how they find the spot to run (Hillary is given a "dedoso" / the election finger" from Moynahan and walla becomes a NY senator, Jeb Bush shows up in Florida and becomes the governor (he did do a good job but I would say his bacon is fried after his brother). Hopefully we'll get a splintering of parties as we find the one size fits all doesn't work (just like TV went to so many channels with cable).