Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

[Guest]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

No. You are missing the point which you are being nudged to reexamine here.

You are not running this site, yet I observe that you frequently act as though you are administering it - by (sometimes quite peremptorily) fulfilling the presumedly essential task of weeding what you percieve as the good from the bad incoming "different ideas" out, for everyone else's benefit. This "busyness" of yours, inspecting and "culling" what you deem "redundant content", is exercised presumably on the basis of our unwavering trust in Metalman's infallible instinct for discerning what is valid from what is as you call it, "not built on anything solid but the latest newsletter, half baked ... etc ...".

Eh, that would be "according to Metalman's fine tuned instinct for good content" presumably? No doubt it's a decent editorial instinct on your part, but infallible? That I doubt! And if it is not infallible, among common members (you are one) IMO it should not be exercised.

You are implying your ongoing, personal decisions in this regard to unerringly discern specious vs. valid content, are a palatable method of presumed "weed clearing" to the entire community.

Even if you had been assigned by "popular acclaim" to this content inspecting duty, that was not by my personal vote, and so I am not sure how you have gained this prerogative? You may have drummed up a wide consensus of people here who agree you should be the ombudsman for "content vigilance" on these issues, but such an ombudsman was never formally set up here among the readership, therefore you have invested yourself with a supportive duty that I for one, don't wish to see you exercise.

What could be clearer?

... grew on that early foundation into a large, intricate framework of understanding... ... over that time, others come and go (remember tet?) with their 'theories' but these are not built on anything solid but the latest newsletter, half baked conspiracy theory or wisedom picked up by reading motley fool or reading the wsj. the acid test of a good theory vs bad... predictiveness.

if i were running this site i'd make readers take a ten question test before they are allowed to post...

1. what is the fire economy?
2. what are the building blocks of an asset bubble?
3. what is debt deflation?
4. what options do governments have to stop deflation?
5. which do they take any why?
6. others...

if they pass, they can post and if not they can't. that way we're not spending time attempting to educate the cave men/women... and the uneducatable won't bother us.

[metalman]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

No. You are missing the point which you are being nudged to reexamine here.

You are not running this site, yet I observe that you frequently act as though you are administering it - by (sometimes quite peremptorily) fulfilling the presumedly essential task of weeding what you percieve as the good from the bad incoming "different ideas" out, for everyone else's benefit. This "busyness" of yours, inspecting and "culling" what you deem "redundant content", is exercised presumably on the basis of our unwavering trust in Metalman's infallible instinct for discerning what is valid from what is as you call it, "not built on anything solid but the latest newsletter, half baked ... etc ...".

Eh, that would be "according to Metalman's fine tuned instinct for good content" presumably? No doubt it's a decent editorial instinct on your part, but infallible? That I doubt! And if it is not infallible, among common members (you are one) IMO it should not be exercised.

You are implying your ongoing, personal decisions in this regard to unerringly discern specious vs. valid content, are a palatable method of presumed "weed clearing" to the entire community.

Even if you had been assigned by "popular acclaim" to this content inspecting duty, that was not by my personal vote, and so I am not sure how you have gained this prerogative? You may have drummed up a wide consensus of people here who agree you should be the ombudsman for "content vigilance" on these issues, but such an ombudsman was never formally set up here among the readership, therefore you have invested yourself with a supportive duty that I for one, don't wish to see you exercise.

What could be clearer?

you got it, brother! my self-appointed role (not alone) is to note the learnings here to keep them in the forefront. a few here scrupulously and carefully ignore... with clear calculation and intent to do so... every idea ever developed and proven out here over the past decade+.

i point out the ideas i learned here... that have served me well... because there is no persistence to learning... it can be lost. i don't want them lost.

others... just as intentionally... ignore and bash the ideas created/adopted here. for what reason? you can only guess.

between me pulling the ideas here to the front and them pushing them to the back, a fine balance is created!

what's the problem?

no issue with the 'i buy this argument but not this other one' types of guys. but there guys don't do that. they make zero attempt to understand the background... the sign of the troll.

itulip is great on account of smart guys like you attract other smart guys like you. dimwits attract dimwits. left to its own devices all the smart guys wander away... then it's all dimwits. i've seen it happen over and over. i'm not interested in paticipating on a forum of dimwits. i'm selfish... i want to be the biggest dimwit among smarter guys.

if you don't want the forum to turn into the motley fool or daily reckoning, troll chasing is a duty... i happen to enjoy it!

[Guest]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

you got it, brother! my self-appointed role ... i happen to enjoy it!

Yes, this is the problem. I don't enjoy your self-appointed role as Consigliere, nor do I find it by any means infallible in the intelligence you presume you are bringing to bear.

You have plenty of good ideas, and you have the intelligence, but it is brought to bear sporadically. Metalman presumes to marshall endorsements or condemnations around here which are subject to the vagaries of his own occasional "bad hair days", and I for one don't wish to submit to that. I pay the same membership you do. Why do I need to submit to your interpretation of your own mandate? In effect, what people like me get on the flip side of your self appointed enthusiasms, is a randomly continuing headache, brought on by the fact that you feel you have a "mandate" to begin with.

Put your "mandate" into a cupboard, and don't wave it around here unless and until the few of us who don't wish to be belabored by it are not around. That's called "democracy" pal. Not everyone here wishes to observe your sometimes over-vigorous policing. I think you need to put a cork in some of that "vigor", which once translated into posts, comes across merely as arrogating the privilege of deciding which ideas are duly informed of the iTulip basics, and which are inadequate. You need to climb down from any hint of a pulpit on this question to be more palatable to this reader.

[VIT]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

Metalman and Lukester,

Do you ever look on the name of the thread you are posting, just curious

[Guest]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

Vit - Have you been paying attention to how many "braying-donkey" posts Metalman has made on these pages in recent weeks about my personal opinions on the markets? Or how many braying donkey posts about the opinions of a one or two others also? What do you think of the intelligence value, of the endless streams of comic book picture cartoons with yet more of the braying donkey commentary plastered all over them? I'm trying to suggest some elementary ideas about allowing diversity of opinion to this guy, about how we are all fallible judges so none of us can set themselves up to be the judge of content - but he is a slow learner of this simple principle. He thinks he has a better idea ...

Just curious.

Tell you what Vit. Why don't you give the guy a nice big broad hint yourself, to not to indulge his self-appointed function here as some sort of "content policeman" again, and then none of us need ever be concerned with this admittedly silly practice any further? I am bothered at the prospect of an upcoming re-subscription for $250 a year, without assurances that this sort of petty policeman's practice won't be giving me migraine headaches after I have paid good money to subscribe. If he dosen't put a cork in this kind of practice, I'm going to have to reconsider whether I want to pay for iTulip market intelligence while being forced to swallow the mandatory administered "Metalman content policeman migraines" also.

Metalman and Lukester,

Do you ever look on the name of the thread you are posting, just curious

[Techdread]

Re: Origin: CAFO(concentrated animal feeding operation) by Granjas Carroll/Smithfield Hams

Posted to a newsgroup I subscribe to:


PS. I included the whole message trail from the COMFOOD-L discussion group where this info originated.i

The World Health Organization is poised to raise the pandemic threat level as a deadly strain of the swine virus shows no sign of slowing down, according to a latest Reuters report. The New York Times reports that the number of people killed by the virus has climbed to 149 in Mexico and 8 of the 20 confirmed cases in the U.S. were diagnosed in New York City.

Reuters says the change in threat levels would indicate that the virus has mutated to the point that it is being transmitted from person to person more easily. According to an earlier Reuters report the CDC’s early analysis determined the virus strain, which is designated H1N1 (similar to the “Spanish Flu” which killed tens of millions of people in the early 20th Century) contains DNA from swine, human and avian viruses.

There are blogs and reports that suggest ground zero for the recent swine flu outbreak are hog farms in Mexico. This is difficult to confirm and it may be too early to make the connection. But it does shine a spotlight on the very real public health threats concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFOs), particularly hog and poultry, pose on local and global communities.

While working for the Pew Commission on Industrial Farm Animal Production I met with several infectious disease experts who were concerned that raising animals in a highly concentrated manner creates the perfect condition for viruses and other potentially deadly pathogens to quickly mutate into more viral forms. One of the largest concerns for Dr. Greg Gray, Director, Center for Emerging Infectious Diseases at the University of Iowa College of Public Health, was that livestock workers are not included as priority targets for pandemic surveillance, or for vaccination and treatment in a pandemic. As noted by the PCIFAP final report “…agricultural workers serve as a bridging population between their communities and animals in large confinement facilities.”

I have a question for those of you more familiar with epidemiology, human/animal virus interactions, and plans to deal with potential pandemics like birdflu.

Since it appears that the likely origin of this virus was in a Mexican CAFO with flies as one intermediary, shouldn't national health agencies institute two types of protective quarantines of swine CAFOs? The two types would be 1) containment regarding the one(s) in Mexico that appear to be breeding reservoirs for the virus, and 2) preventive regarding 'uninfected' CAFOs which we need to prevent from becoming breeding reservoirs. The latter might possibly require not only attention to flies, but to humans working at or visiting CAFOs and other means of transmission like shipments of pigs.


Also, how do we try to get health authorities and the media to address these kinds of questions assuming they are relevant?

Just watched on BBC News 24 where they think the source of this outbreak comes from the same area.

I'm hoping this virus does not mutate into something resistant to the present cures.

My Girlfriend and I have been offered repatriation but we are having a really good holiday and will not leave unless the situation gets worse.

All the evidence I have seen suggest that this is containable with just good hygiene.

I like what have seen of Mexico the people have treated us well.

I hope they recover soon and Mass reared animals are monitered more closely:mad:.

[Supercilious]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

Gee!....I'm thinking to make a movie: "Aporkalipse Now!"

Who wants to bet with me that by fall we will have a massive vaccination campaign for the swine flu. (you, know to prevent deadly mutations in the fall flu season). As we all know, Baxter (the guys who sent live bird flu H1N1 mixed with normal flue vaccine virus collection to their subsidiaries in Europe) will be at the forefront of this campaign.

Does anybody here is old enough to remember the last adventure of swine flu vaccination, the 1976 campaign? For those to young to remember it all started with recruits at Ft. Dix (the same place that provided the anthrax for post 9/11 powder letters) getting infected with swine flu (after receiving their normal immunization shots).

Everybody gets scared and the benevolent government starts a massive vacination campaign... against swine flu. You could see bs like this on TV:


Fortunately, the full vaccination campaign was stopped after only 25% of the population was vaccinated, because people start dyeing. Officially there were only about 500 deaths were recorded and all with GBS.

Really people. Who believes that a government offers a service for free for the good of the people?

[flintlock]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

Metalman is the standard bearer of Itulip. Waves the flag proudly.

Lukester the conscience.

Here they are at a recent get together

[flintlock]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

duplicate post

[Sapiens]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

Metalman is the standard bearer of Itulip. Waves the flag proudly.

Lukester the conscience.

Here they are at a recent get together

Oh boy! Now you done it!

[flintlock]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

Now WHO is saying the number of deaths was exaggerated!

http://www.smh.com.au/world/only-7-s...0429-aml1.html

[Sapiens]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

What if you are ""deemed" to be an asymptomatic carrier?

I think you would find your answer somewhere here:

http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/dq/qa_infl...o_eo_13295.htm

Questions and Answers on the Executive Order Adding Potentially Pandemic Influenza Viruses to the List of Quarantinable Diseases

[Guest]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

Metalman is the standard bearer of Itulip. Waves the flag proudly.

Yeesh. If this pap were any more saccharine it would have treacle syrup slathered all over it. Makes me feel slightly nauseous. The "standard bearer of iTulip", what is this, the pom pom twirlers cheerleaders club? You can keep that spam buddy. I got no use for it. I'm profoundly allergic to "standard bearers, pom pom twirlers, overstuffed content policemen (self appointed), gaudily be-medaled stuffed shirts, the whole pompous, silly lot - bunch of f234king boy scouts. Keep them away from me, else I shall be looking to tear one of these boy scout twits a new a**hole just to let a little of the gas out.

The only thing Metalman is doing constructively here is providing links to prior articles relevant to discussion. What is not mentioned, is that under the auspices of doing that, he's also giving himself apparently, full license to get into this overbearing, hectoring mode with people, newcomers most often, with some traits that look remarkably similar to the yapping of a yard dog whenever some new face appears on the premises. This is NOT informative volunteer behavior - it is self indulgence - because as he says himself, he **enjoys it**. I do not consider mere enjoyment of harassing newcomers with ideas out of synch with his own to be a constructive activity.

Solution is very simple. Metalman can post the clarification links to old iTulip articles and even summarise them - but cannot engage in activities ranging from jeering, to drumming up jeering from other quarters, to posting endless cartoons that were funny once but become so over-repeated as to blend seamlessly with "metalman visual diarrhoea". This may amuse some of our more simple members, but it does not clarify his posted links to iTulip articles in the slightest, and is quite frankly in large part a kind of antics similar to saying "look at me Mommy! Mommy, look at me!". I've shared in the laughter in some of these jokes with the guy, and I even know how to play that same game with the funny pics, but apparently unlike Metalman, I understand that they are funniest when used sparingly.

They become progressively less funny as it becomes more apparent the poster is using the comic images merely to bask in the applause they garner to him. This is transparent in how the guy posts ever more of them when he's applauded for it.

This is puerile stuff. It is over used, over posted, getting tired, and has nothing remotely to do with educating the newcomers which meantime Metalman is hounding mercilessly. I say to Metalman - you are getting overbearing, stale, reiterative, arrogant and are claiming a "flag waving" function here which a few of us frankly find objectionable. Put a cork in it buddy. Restrict yourself to posting *a very few* funny comic images belittling others, and it may conserve a scrap of humor. When you do it every week, you begin to remind me of the monkey that has learned to push the red button for a sugar cube through the bars of it's cage. After a while it gets hooked on the applause, and pushes the button again and again and again. It is moronic.

[flintlock]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

Whoops, forgot the :rolleyes: after "waves the flag proudly" and the part about you Lukester. I though the two donkeys would make that point for me.

[SirFartsAlot]

Re: Mexico shuts schools, museums to stop flu outbreak

Everyone on this forum keeps referencing the WHO as if is some kind of oracle of epidemiological information. Should we really be placing so much faith in the public health premonitions of a 1960's english rock band known for its energetic live performances and unique use of voice synthesizers?