The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

[Guinnesstime]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

"Allow me to explain the contamination process. Pine cones go in here, party liquors comes out here and proceed to here.

[points to mouth]

Fights begin, finger prints are took, days is lost, bail is made, court dates are ignored, cycle is repeated."
-The Great Early Cuyler

[WildspitzE]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

Year over year percent change in personal consumption expenditures on alcohol :eek::eek::eek:

When I talk to several people in the booze business I get:
- nightclubs and bars are getting hit
- liquor stores have increased revenues

People partying at home. I think I posted this in another thread earlier.

That said, that chart is amazing.

[vanvaley1]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

Well, I for one, am buying more of the cheaper wines and beers than I did a year ago.

Recall "Thunderbird"?

[Rajiv]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

ppatel -- lest I be accused of stereotyping -- tell me that you don't really own two liquor stores! ;)

[GRG55]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

Maybe commercial sales of alcohol have gone down in the depression, but moonshine under the table sales are soaring!
Let me tell you what!!

And who said American manufacturing is hollowed out, and the country doesn't know how to make anything useful anymore...:rolleyes:

[santafe2]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

Year over year percent change in personal consumption expenditures on alcohol :eek::eek::eek:

Fred - This is a depression so sales during a recession don't really count - but maybe that's your point. The last depression only had an underground alcohol economy so those statistics don't exist. This is a fun chart but the one for auto sales would likely drive one to drinking.

This did make me wonder if recessions/depressions do cause more alcohol consumption and the answer is no. I took a chart from the NIAAA and added some more detail to get the chart below.

NIAAA has statistics for gallons of alcohol consumed but one must take their beer, wine, spirits categories and parse them out by alcohol content to get the real answer - per capita, how much pure ethanol is consumed by Americans.

The answer is that it's a very smooth curve that is generally demographically driven and has little to do with the economy.

Drinking.jpg

http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/Resources/D...s/consum01.htm

[kingzog]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

My ex-wife makes her own whisky - I love her still

[goadam1]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

Tylenol pm sales are up. Plus, I would look at xanax and other meds. Soma anyone?

Pill Sales Rise as Financial Anxiety Chases the Sandman Away
SIGN IN TO E-MAIL
PRINT
REPRINTS
SHARE

By ANDREW ADAM NEWMAN
Published: April 23, 2009
MORE than one in four Americans say they are literally losing sleep over the economic downturn — tossing and turning over personal finances, the economy, job security or health care costs.

Enlarge This Image

A TV spot for Advil PM. Sales of the medicine, which was introduced in 2006 and combines a sleeping aid with a pain reliever, grew 17 percent in 2008, and are rising even more this year.
Those were the results of a poll released last month by the National Sleep Foundation, a nonprofit group financed by federal and private sources that include health care companies like Merck, Wyeth and Johnson & Johnson and mattress makers like Sealy.

It is little surprise, then, that some over-the-counter sleeping pills have been doing a brisk business in recent months.

In the four-week period that ended March 22, sales of Advil PM tablets, which combine a sleeping aid with a pain reliever, were up 16 percent compared with the same period a year ago, according to Information Resources Inc., whose totals do not include sales at Wal-Mart. The brand’s year-over-year increases for the previous four weeks were even sharper, rising 33 percent, and were up 26 percent the month before that.

Sales of Tylenol PM, the leading pain-relieving sleeping pill, were up 6 percent year-over-year for the month that ended March 22, according to Information Resources, a market research company in Chicago.

[nitroglycol]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

Yeah - A graph for volume instead of price would give a better view. I think the volume will not go down. A Christian Brothers Brandy is a very good deal over a Hennessy Cognac.

And a can of Lysol or a bottle of Aqua Velva is an even better deal. Maybe we should be tracking those sales.

[nero3]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

I suspect some of this change, compared to earlier recessions, have to do with the aging boomers that change drinking patterns in recession as they get older, they are sure cutting back. I think the younger drink more now, than before. I also think that is why the numbers looked different in the seventies 70 and 80's recessions.

[jiimbergin]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

I suspect some of this change, compared to earlier recessions, have to do with the aging boomers that change drinking patterns in recession as they get older, they are sure cutting back. I think the younger drink more now, than before. I also think that is why the numbers looked different in the seventies 70 and 80's recessions.

I don't know your age, but at 65 I know that the young that I know (I have 14 grandchildren, 6 children and spouses and so many nieces and nephews that I lost count) drink far less than my generation did.

[zoog]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

Nice chart. What's the approximate year of the more recent low point? Just wondering what might have caused people to drink more since then.

The charts in this thread seem to point to contradictory conclusions, but I agree with the general consensus that people are drinking more at home and less out in bars and restaurants.

As the Portland economy is primarily centered around selling overpriced drinks (alcoholic, caffeinated, or otherwise) to yuppies and trustafarians, I conclude that locally, we are doomed.:rolleyes:

[ax]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

Nice chart. What's the approximate year of the more recent low point? Just wondering what might have caused people to drink more since then.

The charts in this thread seem to point to contradictory conclusions, but I agree with the general consensus that people are drinking more at home and less out in bars and restaurants.

As the Portland economy is primarily centered around selling overpriced drinks (alcoholic, caffeinated, or otherwise) to yuppies and trustafarians, I conclude that locally, we are doomed.:rolleyes:

Even on the rare occasions my wife and I can find a babysitter to get out, we refuse to pay as much for a glass of wine as we can buy the whole bottle for at our local grocery store.

Vodka tonic at bar/restaurant $6-$8
At home, I can buy an acceptable bottle of vodka that might yield 15-20 drinks for about $14, bottle of tonic at local supermarket 59 cents. Total cost at home about 73 cents, giddyup.

[santafe2]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

Nice chart. What's the approximate year of the more recent low point? Just wondering what might have caused people to drink more since then.

The charts in this thread seem to point to contradictory conclusions, but I agree with the general consensus that people are drinking more at home and less out in bars and restaurants.

As the Portland economy is primarily centered around selling overpriced drinks (alcoholic, caffeinated, or otherwise) to yuppies and trustafarians, I conclude that locally, we are doomed.:rolleyes:

That last dip was in the early-mid nineties. It makes sense demographically since a baby boom started in 1975 and ~21 years later consumption started moving back up.

[orion]

Re: The scariest 2009 economic depression chart you have ever seen!

I don't see increases in wine prices currently. My local grocery store has more wines showing reduced prices than anything else. I don't see any increases.

When I graduated from college in 1979 a friend gave me a bottle of Sutter Home White Zinfandel, not bad for my college day tastes (and a step up from Boone's Farm) and budget at $4.30 per bottle. That price has always stuck in my mind. Today 30 years later you can buy it for $4.45. I don't know how those wine guys make any money.