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    The Coming Disaster in the Derivatives Market
    by Michael Panzner

    http://www.safehaven.com/article-4096.htm
    One of the difficulties people have with understanding this particular disaster-in-the making is its complexity and seeming irrelevance to their day-to-day lives. Unlike an earthquake or a car bomb, a derivatives-inspired financial meltdown won't to lead to leveled buildings or bloodshed, at least initially. Yet, the toxic fallout will likely be as painful, long-lasting, and difficult to overcome as any of the more widely discussed scenarios.

    What makes the coming debacle even more difficult to comprehend is that it stems from a long chain of seemingly benign interactions and financial relationships. Indeed, despite the fact that the modern derivatives market has flourished because of big money, complex technology, and highly-paid talent, the culprit when it all goes wrong is likely to be simple: human emotions -- fear and greed -- run amok.

    For most people, the term "derivative" has little meaning. In many cases, the mere mention of the word is enough to cause eyes to glaze over. That is partly because these financial instruments are somewhat ethereal. They are, in other words, largely created out of thin air. Practically speaking, they have no value in and of themselves.

    They are also hard to understand because, like many intangible concepts that occasionally involve a great deal of theory and calculation, academics have done wonders transforming the complex into the incomprehensible. As is often the case, though, if you break them down into smaller, more digestible parts, they are easier to grasp. That is also true with respect to the derivatives market.


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    Why Credit Derivatives Are Up To No Good

    Why Credit Derivatives Are Up To No Good
    http://usmarket.seekingalpha.com/article/26348
    Michael Panzner submits: In theory, derivatives are securities, such as options, futures, or mortgage-backed bonds, whose value depends on other securities, commodities, or "events." Contrary to proponents' longstanding reassurances, however, these synthetically-created, often complex instruments are increasingly the tails that wag the dogs in various markets, potentially leading to a wide range of unintended consequences

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      Re: The Coming Disaster in the Derivatives Market

      I have to sound a note of skepticism here.

      My main question is, how many of these trades are one-way, versus how many net out to zero?

      If JPM has $1 trillion at risk should interest rates will rise, and $1 trillion at risk should interest rates fall, then that $450 trillion number I've seen for worldwide notional value of derivatives doesn't mean a heck of a lot.

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      • #4
        Re: The Coming Disaster in the Derivatives Market

        The lessons of LTCM are:

        1. Mathematical risk models under-estimate the odds of very unlikely events (fat tails and black swans)

        2. Bets and markets that appear to be independent can suddenly become highly correlated.

        The correlation issue is huge. I read an essay a few days ago showing how gold and the dollar are usually inversely correlated -- except in times when they're not. When gold shot up in 14 months to $800 the dollar didn't drop.

        I am sure the banks and hedgies are using computer models to balance their derivatives risks. And I am equally sure that these models will all fail at the same time, and that they will fail when markets thought independent or inversely correlated suddenly start behaving in a correlated fashion, coupled with one or more events deemed so unlikely as to never happen.

        Then, the counter party risk will topple all the dominoes.

        Except they won't.

        Because the CBs will save the banks that are "too big to fail". The hedgies also.

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          Re: The Coming Disaster in the Derivatives Market

          netting out risks also doesn't work if the counterparties aren't equally reliable. a favorite quote:

          Originally posted by martin mayer
          Derivatives markets guarantee a winner for every loser, but they will over time concentrate the losses in vulnerable sectors. Nature obeys Mayer's Third Law, which holds that risk-shifting instruments will tend to shift risks onto those less able to bear them, because them as got want to keep and hedge while them as ain't got want to get and speculate.

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            Re: The Coming Disaster in the Derivatives Market

            Good quote. Supposedly derivatives exposure. This according to www.contraryinvestor.com, an outstanding paid e-newsletter service, the winners are...

            JPMorgan $62

            and the runners-up for best weak supporting counter-party:

            BofA $25
            Citi $24
            Wachovia $5

            All in TRILLIONS

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