Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empires is

[audrey_girl]

thought provoking:

http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/browne/browne3.html


unfortunately, not a sexy as pirate rescues in the Indian ocean - perhaps this is why the MSM is ignoring the elephant in the room

[Basil]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

thought provoking:

http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/browne/browne3.html


unfortunately, not a sexy as pirate rescues in the Indian ocean - perhaps this is why the MSM is ignoring the elephant in the room

We need a sexy name. I think "doomer porn" is the one I have seen thrown around.

[jtabeb]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

thought provoking:

http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/browne/browne3.html


unfortunately, not a sexy as pirate rescues in the Indian ocean - perhaps this is why the MSM is ignoring the elephant in the room

Read Buckminster Fuller, US and Soviet Empires collapse. Seems like he's right on time.

Full disclosure (As an INTP, I tend to listen to other INTP types when I can't find the flaw(s) in their arguments). Strangely enough, I also have had the pleasure to serve with a descendant of BF who's initials are also BF who is also an INTP.

Hope comes after collapse, out with the old, in with the new.

[jtabeb]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

We need a sexy name. I think "doomer porn" is the one I have seen thrown around.

How about "grounded in reality"? I think that is more Apropros. Non?

[Sapiens]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

audrey_girl,

An astute and cynical observer would point out that all this call for state’s rights and sovereignty is nothing more than a controlled and planned destruction of the US of A

For example:

http://www.milkingtheherd.com/

"If this mischievous financial policy, which has its origin in North America, shall become endurated down to a fixture, then that Government will furnish its own money without cost. It will pay off debts and be without debt. It will have all the money necessary to carry on its commerce. It will become prosperous without precedent in the history of the world. The brains, and wealth of all countries will go to North America. That country must be destroyed or it will destroy every monarchy on the globe."

The London Times: circa 1861

[jtabeb]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

audrey_girl,

An astute and cynical observer would point out that all this call for state’s rights and sovereignty is nothing more than a controlled and planned destruction of the US of A

For example:

Well, there going to get it whom ever "they" are. Who knows, maybe London will have a rebirth what with all the US gangster capitalists that flee there in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet err, I mean United States of America. Instead of Russian Billionaires buying homes, it will be the likes of Paulson, Stan O'neal, Snow, Rubin, Angelo Mozillo et-al. (you Know all the fine and upstanding citizens that got us into this mess and then made a killing on the UP swing and the DOWN swing).

Mega will be Laughing his Limey ASS off!

[mfyahya]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

Well, there going to get it whom ever "they" are. Who knows, maybe London will have a rebirth what with all the US gangster capitalists that flee there in the wake of the collapse of the Soviet err, I mean United States of America. Instead of Russian Billionaires buying homes, it will be the likes of Paulson, Stan O'neal, Snow, Rubin, Angelo Mozillo et-al. (you Know all the fine and upstanding citizens that got us into this mess and then made a killing on the UP swing and the DOWN swing).

Mega will be Laughing his Limey ASS off!

Or maybe they'll go to Dubai. The Russians are still here, despite the recession: http://www.thenational.ae/article/20...NISTS/92185015

[petertribo]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

thought provoking:

http://www.strike-the-root.com/91/browne/browne3.html


unfortunately, not a sexy as pirate rescues in the Indian ocean - perhaps this is why the MSM is ignoring the elephant in the room

At the top of that link is an image of Henry Thoreau, a remarkable American philosopher and economist who wrote WALDEN which has many lessons for us today. Thoreau built his famous cabin out of scrap materials on Walden Pond where he wrote about America. Unfortunately, few of his fellow citizens listened to him.

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[Rajiv]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

Also from The NY Times today - The End Is Near! (Yay!)

The stage lights went up at the Panida Theater, a classy old movie house in Sandpoint, Idaho, and the M.C. stepped out of the dark with one finger high in the air. There was an uprising of applause and cheering. Then, shouting like a head coach before a bowl game, she said, “Sandpoint, are you ready?”

It was a Friday night last November. All around the little town of Sandpoint, beetles were blighting north Idaho’s pine forests. The previous day, the U.N. reported that emissions from automobiles and coal-fired power plants were collecting in brown clouds over 13 Asian and African cities and blocking out the sun. Iceland’s main banks had crumpled, and American auto executives were about to fly to Washington in private jets to plead for a bailout. Off the coast of Africa, Somali pirates were hijacking oil tankers. But the folks at the Panida Theater wouldn’t stop clapping. The Sandpoint Transition Initiative, a new chapter of a growing, worldwide environmental movement, was officially coming to life.

The Transition movement was started four years ago by Rob Hopkins, a young British instructor of ecological design. Transition shares certain principles with environmentalism, but its vision is deeper — and more radical — than mere greenness or sustainability. “Sustainability,” Hopkins recently told me, “is about reducing the impacts of what comes out of the tailpipe of industrial society.” But that assumes our industrial society will keep running. By contrast, Hopkins said, Transition is about “building resiliency” — putting new systems in place to make a given community as self-sufficient as possible, bracing it to withstand the shocks that will come as oil grows astronomically expensive, climate change intensifies and, maybe sooner than we think, industrial society frays or collapses entirely. For a generation, the environmental movement has told us to change our lifestyles to avoid catastrophic consequences. Transition tells us those consequences are now irreversibly switching on; we need to revolutionize our lives if we want to survive.

Transition’s approach is adamantly different from that of the survivalists I heard about, scattered in the mountains around Sandpoint in bunkers stocked with gold and guns. The movement may begin from a similarly dystopian idea: that cheap oil has recklessly vaulted humanity to a peak of production and consumption, and no combination of alternative technologies can generate enough energy, or be installed fast enough, to keep us at that height before the oil is gone. (Transition dismisses Al Gore types as “techno-optimists.”) But Transition then takes an almost utopian turn. Hopkins insists that if an entire community faces this stark challenge together, it might be able to design an “elegant descent” from that peak. We can consciously plot a path into a lower-energy life —
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[BK]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

FYI,
The land he built his house on was owned by his friend Ralph Waldo Emerson (its always good to have wealthy friends). Thoreau use to take is laundry to his Moms house when he was living in the Woods (at least that is the Boston legend I've heard).

[LargoWinch]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

We need a sexy name. I think "doomer porn" is the one I have seen thrown around.

There is also Pessimism Porn.

Not that I think it reflects on the community or that the term is appropriate.

[marvenger]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

interesting, hadn't thought of that.....transfering debts to the public and then getting rid of the republic. I suppose dick cheney's got his own private army to protect his hard earned private property now.

[don]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

Abdiwali Abdiqadir Muse, the sole surviving Somali pirate from the hostage-taking of an American ship captain, was to appear in a courtroom Tuesday on what were expected to be piracy and hostage-taking charges.


Handcuffed with a chain wrapped around his waist and about a dozen federal agents surrounding him, the slight teen seemed poised as he passed through the glare of dozens of news cameras in a drenching rainstorm.

Here on iTulip might we find a use for this contribution from the Horn of Africa.

The Pirate's Muse

[petertribo]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

FYI,
The land he built his house on was owned by his friend Ralph Waldo Emerson (its always good to have wealthy friends). Thoreau use to take is laundry to his Moms house when he was living in the Woods (at least that is the Boston legend I've heard).

I've heard those many, many times before, they are the standard putdowns of Thoreau usually by people who have never read his works. They are much the poorer for that.

[marvenger]

Re: Exact dates of collapse are impossible to predict. But one of the best known facts about empire

that tight arse on his right is hilarious....the burden of policing those you systematically screw is so serious!