Resist or Become Serfs

[jtabeb]

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Regarding these impending revolts, I wonder how they will be catalyzed. Will they only be sparked by the misery of the masses? Will they result in any positive change? Is there a better way? Frankly I suspect that there isn't, that the system has to hit rock bottom.

Don't know either.

I think that I qualify in the doomer category (as I believe EJ would in his darker posts), but here's why I am one.

I have not seen EVEN THE SLIGHTEST inkling that any of the steps so far in any way shape or form move us in a positive direction. NONE, NOT ONE STEP THAT WAY YET.

I extrapolate what that leads to ,the conclusion is not pretty. And yet, even with the benefit of a classical education and the capacity for critical thought, I'm not seeing anything that would caste even a slight lifting of the shadow that has befallen us.

(Now, don't get me wrong I think that there are ways we can extricate ourselves from this mess are out there and well understood, Hudson, Keen, Talib, EJ..) The darkness and heaviness I fell in my heart comes from the realization that we are heading absolutely 180 degrees away from any of those trajectories.

That is what frightens and dismays me.

[cjppjc]

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my question concerns the role we could or should play, if any, in affecting change.

My strong personal tendencies are to be totally uninvolved in any such effort. But somehow that seems a bit selfish and short-sighted.

Uninvolved = lazy. You want to do something, but you don't know what? How about:

Donate time to a food kitchen.
Become involved in mentoring young people (Big Brothers & Sisters)
Volunteer your time to a battered womens shelter.



In an different thread I posted a quote from a businessman also a great teacher:

We want to change because what we have is not working, even worldwide. But where does that change begin? in the individual, or in the social structure? It seems to me we are up against that question. Now if change begins in the social structure, then, of course I am with you. But if it begins in the individual, in myself, then it surely begins with myself becoming aware for example, that I place too little value on things that cannot be quantified. If I become aware that I place too little value on these things, there is a redressing of the balance that takes place in myself, all by itself. If I really see that I am going downhill, I start to go uphill.

[Guest]

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For a guy who sees nothing but blue skies flying at 25000 feet while getting paid for the effort, you sure are a gloomy gus. Do you delight in regaling your copilot with all the gory iTulip forecasts up there till you hear him use his barf bag?

Don't know either.

I think that I qualify in the doomer category (as I believe EJ would in his darker posts), but here's why I am one.

I have not seen EVEN THE SLIGHTEST inkling that any of the steps so far in any way shape or form move us in a positive direction. NONE, NOT ONE STEP THAT WAY YET.

I extrapolate what that leads to ,the conclusion is not pretty. And yet, even with the benefit of a classical education and the capacity for critical thought, I'm not seeing anything that would caste even a slight lifting of the shadow that has befallen us.

(Now, don't get me wrong I think that there are ways we can extricate ourselves from this mess are out there and well understood, Hudson, Keen, Talib, EJ..) The darkness and heaviness I fell in my heart comes from the realization that we are heading absolutely 180 degrees away from any of those trajectories.

That is what frightens and dismays me.

[audrey_girl]

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If I honestly thought that there would BE a system when this is all said and done, I would not be recommending the above.

Until I see evidence to the contrary my operative thesis is not change in the system it is that the system will cease to exist. Think about the implications for that (truly, UNDERSTAND the consequences and ramifcations that we face as a result of our failing to effectively deal with this crisis). It boggles the mind how things would change.

I've been to survial school in the air force (in case we were shot down over enemy territory), even got to be schooled in "advanced beatings" (you can guess as to the subject matter and curriculum of the course). What that left me with was a strong appreciation of how quickly circumstances can drastically change. I've never lost that lesson. The difference in this instance vs combat is that there is no hope of a chopper or a SEAL team coming to rescue you. And at least for this individual, that is an extremely worrisome prospect to comprehend.

If you ask me why there is no panic yet, I would tell you my honest observations about the population at large (and the people I know in paticular)

They either are in complete denial, or have the mind set of "nothing has happened to ME yet, so I'll be okay" or even worse HONESTLY HAVE NO REAL COMPREHENSION OF WHAT IS OCCURING AT ALL. And the worst part is, I would say that 90% of people fall into the last category.


From my perspective, today, right now Doomer = Realist.
For what it's worth.

V/R

JT

I approach this from a historical perspective, as I spend most of my free time reading histories, biographies, etc.

Done so for many years,,, started reading economic histories several years out trying to find parallels for what is happening today to other times and where this leads to, and how to prepare for it.


here are two of my favorite:

check this out:

Fiat Money Inflation in France: How a first world nation destroyed its economy and led to the rise of Napoleon Bonaparte

http://www.amazon.com/Fiat-Money-Inf...935803&sr=1-1]

- horrible conditions directly leads to the rise of bonaparte


and if you can find it, check this out:

When Money Dies

http://www.amazon.com/When-money-die...9935878&sr=1-1

- horrible conditions directly lead to the ascent of the nazis

read these and the similarities with today will startle you.

btw, in regards to preparing for whats coming, its obvious that the government is preparing just take the time to read today's DHS report:

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009...cals-on-right/

[jtabeb]

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For a guy who sees nothing but blue skies flying at 25000 feet while getting paid for the effort, you sure are a gloomy gus. Do you delight in regaling your copilot with all the gory iTulip forecasts up there till you hear him use his barf bag?

If you have to ask, we spend an INORIDINATE amount of time discussing how fucked-up things are when most of us are deployed (and playing x-box, reading A LOT, drinking our three beers a day, and complaining about G.O. #1) and also what to do about them on a personal level.

How did you know my call sign was "GLOOMY":rolleyes:

Just kidding,

My real call sign (seriously, ask anyone) is "GOLDIE" (been that way since I went on my public gold tirade in 2003, it was a sight to see and apparently, worthy of a monkier that stuck).

Still like poking the chest of guys that I run into from back in the day when I was SCREAMING to buy as much gold as you could back before gold broke $400. (Wish I were reading EJ back in '99) Ahh, those were the days....

[Guest]

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My real call sign (seriously, ask anyone) is "GOLDIE"

Serious? No kidding? :eek:

[cjppjc]

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btw, in regards to preparing for whats coming, its obvious that the government is preparing just take the time to read today's DHS report:

http://washingtontimes.com/news/2009...cals-on-right/

"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue,


Like abolishing the Federal Reserve?

[LargoWinch]

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They either are in complete denial, or have the mind set of "nothing has happened to ME yet, so I'll be okay" or even worse HONESTLY HAVE NO REAL COMPREHENSION OF WHAT IS OCCURING AT ALL. And the worst part is, I would say that 90% of people fall into the last category.

Agreed.

I still sound like a lunatic when I approach the subject with my friends.

This is after all just a recession, which will be over by the time the trees are in full bloom this year.

If one does travel a bit, prices at hotels and restaurants barely changed. There are still line-ups for great night spots everywhere.

Maybe I did not get the memo; "Obama is here to fix 100 years of Central Banks destruction"!

[jtabeb]

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Serious? No kidding? :eek:

I'll e-mail you a pic of my Friday name tag, will that suffice?

Also, every new class that we get we do a meet-and-greet at one of the IP's houses.

I ALWAYS do a little show and tell to all the new class members and their families (and If I DON'T I'm forced to run home and pick up some up to bring back, or I don't get any beer).

YES SERIOUSLY!!

My absolute FAVORITE quote was from my buddies wife while she was holding a 100 oz bar of silver in her hand. "so, this is like Gold?"

I swear on a stack of qurans as tall as my sniper rifle standing on end!!

(YES, all true, "I shit you negative" as they say)

[audrey_girl]

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"It may include groups and individuals that are dedicated to a single-issue,


Like abolishing the Federal Reserve?

I believe the people running this government like many of us on itulip, know and remember history - especially recent history - for example, the former soviet union which had a one million man army in the west threatening europe and another million man army in the east facing china, backed up by tens of thousands of nuclear weapons -

but in the end that wasn't enough for the rapid and complete collapse of the soviet confederation....

now with that in mind take a look at this:



disclaimer: I am neither endorsing this or the Govenor's statement, just bringing it to people's attention

[cjppjc]

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I believe the people running this government like many of us on itulip, know and remember history - especially recent history - for example, the former soviet union which had a one million man army in the west threatening europe and another million man army in the east facing china, backed up by tens of thousands of nuclear weapons -

but in the end that wasn't enough for the rapid and complete collapse of the soviet confederation....

now with that in mind take a look at this:

disclaimer: I am neither endorsing this or the Govenor's statement, just bringing it to people's attention

He's just moving to the right, before his parties primary. That kind of stuff plays well with the hard core right in Texas. Remember he only got like 35% of the vote. It was enough with all the people that were running for Govenor back then.

[seanm123]

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Gov Perry's mannerisms unfortunately remind me if GWB, either way states rights are a boiling point no doubt.

Texas is the number two recipient of defense contracts totaling around 40 billion annually doled out to about 10k mid sized companies in Texas. I guess they can survive on cow patties, oil rigs and coal burning power plants if they cut ties in some form with the Federal Government.

[Guest]

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My absolute FAVORITE quote was from my buddies wife while she was holding a 100 oz bar of silver in her hand. "so, this is like Gold?" ... I swear on a stack of qurans as tall as my sniper rifle standing on end!! (YES, all true, "I shit you negative" as they say)

Well your buddy's wife is a smart gal, cause by the end of the day, silver will indeed be the new gold. It is scheduled to be depleted in minable quantities within 15-20 years and is today far scarcer above ground than gold and used in more industrial applications than all the other metals combined. It's interesting how difficult it is to convince anyone of that though. No-one believes it, because the prices are saying the exact opposite.

[jtabeb]

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Well your buddy's wife is a smart gal, cause by the end of the day, silver will indeed be the new gold. It is scheduled to be depleted in minable quantities within 15-20 years and is today far scarcer above ground than gold and used in more industrial applications than all the other metals combined. It's interesting how difficult it is to convince anyone of that though. No-one believes it, because the prices are saying the exact opposite.

That's why I'm a firm believer in 50/50 PM allocation (gold/silver by COST)

[Guest]

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OK, she wasn't really smart. She just guessed right by mistake. BTW too many hours of X-box mixed with beer drinking will turn your brain into a piece of melting cheese which will start dribbling out of your nose and ears dude. Especially on those high G's turns in the plane!

That's why I'm a firm believer in 50/50 PM allocation (gold/silver by COST)

buddies wife, while she was holding a 100 oz bar of silver in her hand. "so, this is like Gold?"