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  • WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

    You can bet the profit was a lot higher than 3 billion. Any more than 3 billion would have appeared obscene. What a scam!


    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Wells-...-14890348.html
    NEW YORK (AP) -- Wells Fargo & Co. said Thursday it expects record first-quarter earnings of $3 billion, easily surpassing analysts' estimates and providing an encouraging sign for the banking industry.


    Wells Fargo is the first major bank to give an indication of how the first-quarter looked, and the unexpectedly upbeat news gave an immediate boost to stock futures. Several pessimistic forecasts about potential loan losses have jolted the market in recent days, and investors have been anxious as Citigroup Inc., Goldman Sachs Group Inc. and JPMorgan Chase & Co. all report next week.

    Wells Fargo's stock surged $4.71, or 31.6 percent, to $19.60 in early trading. Broader markets also surged on the Wells Fargo report, with the Dow Jones industrial average gaining 151.01, or 1.9 percent, to 7,988.12.

    San Francisco-based Wells Fargo, which has received $25 billion in funds as part of the government's bank bailout plan, anticipates earnings after preferred dividends of about 55 cents per share. Revenue for the period ended March 31 is expected to climb 16 percent to $20 billion.

    Analysts polled by Thomson Reuters forecast profit of 23 cents per share on revenue of $19 billion. Analysts' estimates typically exclude one-time items.

    Wells Fargo earned $2 billion during the first quarter last year.

    The bank's chief financial officer, however, did caution that the economy hasn't necessarily recovered yet.

    "It's premature to conclude the economy has turned," said Howard Atkins, Wells Fargo's CFO. "All I can tell you is we're seeing a lot of business."

    Revenue at Wells Fargo, which has been one of the strongest banks during the ongoing credit crisis and recession, was bolstered by strong mortgage banking and capital markets business, Atkins told The Associated Press. During the first quarter, Wells Fargo received about $190 billion in mortgage applications, a 64 percent jump from the previous quarter. More than 40 percent of that volume came in March.

    Most of that business was refinance applications, but about 25 percent came from customers looking to purchase homes, Atkins said, noting the recent quarter's mortgage activity has been among the strongest quarters since the housing market began to collapse in 2007.

    The government has been implementing many new programs in an effort to cut interest rates, hoping to bolster the beleaguered housing market, and those programs have definitely helped, Atkins said.

    "For sure the reduction in interest rates is having an impact on the wave of activity in the mortgage market," Atkins said.

    The company also credited its Wachovia acquisition, which was completed Jan. 1, for helping boost revenue. Atkins said Wachovia accounted for about 40 percent of revenue during the first quarter, and that business at Wachovia has steadily improved since Wells Fargo announced it would acquire the Charlotte, N.C.-based bank last fall.

    Wells Fargo said charge-offs are expected to total $3.3 billion for the first quarter, compared with a combined $6.1 billion between Wells Fargo and Wachovia during the fourth quarter. Charge-offs are loans written off as not being repaid.

    The bank is still facing loan losses as customers fall behind on repaying loans during the recession. It said its loan-loss provision will total about $4.6 billion for the first quarter, including adding $1.3 billion to its credit reserves. Wells Fargo now has $23 billion in reserves to cover future loan losses.

    Wells Fargo is scheduled to report full quarterly results on April 22.

    AP Business Writer Michelle Chapman in New York contributed to this report.

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    Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

    Wonder how much came from AIG....

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    • #3
      Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

      Originally posted by jpatter666 View Post
      Wonder how much came from AIG....
      I consider Wells Fargo to be the gold standard of American banking. It's still a chance to buy in, but it's getting more expensive. It seems Bank of America is a better deal at this price.

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      • #4
        Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

        True, WFC is a great bank -- but Wachovia brought them the Golden West disaster portfolio.

        I think that still has major damage to inflict....

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        • #5
          Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

          Originally posted by jpatter666 View Post
          True, WFC is a great bank -- but Wachovia brought them the Golden West disaster portfolio.

          I think that still has major damage to inflict....
          I think the market will ignore it because of the light in the end of the tunnel. It remains to be seen if it's another locomotive or if it's the other side of this mess. However, judging from the market's behavior lately it's the other side.

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          • #6
            Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

            how much of the profit was the absence of asset write downs which are the result of the elimination of the mark to market rules?

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            • #7
              Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

              Originally posted by charliebrown View Post
              how much of the profit was the absence of asset write downs which are the result of the elimination of the mark to market rules?
              Jay Hancock: http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/busi..._on_banks.html

              The Dow is up 200 points on Wells Fargo's report that it "earned" $3 billion in the first quarter. Some of the profit was real. Net interest margin (gap between cost of deposits and other fund and interest charged on performing debt) was a monster 4.1 percent, thanks to ZIRP, Ben Bernanke's Zero Interest Rate Policy.

              Writedowns for bad mortgages and other toxic debt plunged from $6.6 billion to $3.3 billion. How much of that improvement was due to changes in mark-to-market accounting rules? We won't know for many weeks.


              *****

              Does this accounting rules change make the PPIP moot?

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              • #8
                Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

                Wells is probably the tightest run bank. I don't know how well their risk management works but their operations are excellent. Their structured finance groups are a pleasure to work with and their data streams are clean, complete and designed to be extremely informative.

                In my experience banking operations are a good indicator how well informed management is (or possibly can be). This might not matter so much when a handful of swaps deals nuke your company, but as a commercial bank, Wells is good.

                Kudos
                Curiousity, skepticism and green vegetables.

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                • #9
                  Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

                  Wells Fargo got a huge tax break from the gov so they would buy Wachovia.


                  But experts in tax law said the Wells Fargo deal actually was likely to be more expensive for the government. Losses on Wachovia's portfolio of bad loans would have been absorbed by the FDIC, which is funded by the banking industry. Under the tax law change, those losses instead will allow Wells Fargo to reduce its taxable income.

                  They said they're doing it without federal assistance, but in reality they are doing it with federal assistance. It's just tax assistance," said Robert Willens, an expert on tax accounting who runs a firm of the same name.

                  The amount of lost tax revenue would depend on the future profitability of Wells Fargo and the losses on Wachovia's loans, but based on Wells Fargo's financial disclosures, it could shelter $74 billion in profits from taxation.
                  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100301042.html

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                  • #10
                    Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

                    didn't we see the same BS last summer right as they announced no-short rules for the first time? Wells then went on to have a terrilbe 3rd and 4th Q.

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                    • #11
                      Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

                      Originally posted by charliebrown View Post
                      how much of the profit was the absence of asset write downs which are the result of the elimination of the mark to market rules?
                      A lot.

                      But also, Wells's big boost was driven mostly by the massive refi boom. Everyone and their mother who are credit-worthy refinanced their mortgages or are about to. The refi boom is happening because of the low mortgage rates we have due to government manipulation. All according to plan. The banks get a fat boost during their direst moments, which will hopefully bridge the chasm between now and the greater economy's recovery.

                      This refi boom is a one-shot deal -- rates won't go much lower than they are now, so there likely won't be another big refi bump for a long time. Also, only those with good credit scores are getting the refis; all the credit-risky homeowners still have major issues going forward, especially as job losses accelerate, so the default rate will likely stay very high.

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                      • #12
                        Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

                        Originally posted by we_are_toast View Post
                        Wells Fargo got a huge tax break from the gov so they would buy Wachovia.


                        http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...100301042.html
                        This is a total laugh...

                        It says:
                        "But experts in tax law said the Wells Fargo deal actually was likely to be more expensive for the government. Losses on Wachovia's portfolio of bad loans would have been absorbed by the FDIC, which is funded by the banking industry. Under the tax law change, those losses instead will allow Wells Fargo to reduce its taxable income.

                        They said they're doing it without federal assistance, but in reality they are doing it with federal assistance. It's just tax assistance," said Robert Willens, an expert on tax accounting who runs a firm of the same name.

                        The amount of lost tax revenue would depend on the future profitability of Wells Fargo and the losses on Wachovia's loans, but based on Wells Fargo's financial disclosures, it could shelter $74 billion in profits from taxation.

                        FDIC "funded by the banking industry"??? Let's be serious. There is no way in hell the "banking industry" can absorb the obligations that are now piling up.

                        If Wachovia was able to survive on its own, it would have been able to carry the losses forward and deduct them from future income. So why shouldn't Wells be able to do the same if it's absorbing Wachovia? It's better than having the US taxpayer bail out Wachovia, either directly, or through the FDIC, or through some sort of Citi takeover of Wachovia [which was the marriage Paulson first tried to engineer to solve his Wachovia problem].

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                        • #13
                          Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

                          What we saw with Wells is totally a pre-Good Friday stunt.

                          Notice no actual earnings report - all the profit is 'predicted'.

                          I for one am eagerly awaiting the actual report.

                          Besides the suspicious fall in bad mortgage writedowns, the very small increase in loss reserves is equally damning.

                          Secondly with $25B practically free from the government - wouldn't that itself help Wells' profitability?

                          It is very possible though that the other bank's will also come up with these nice numbers to further the financial sector's apparent 'beat's, but the real question is how bad will the rest of the reporting company numbers look like.

                          Don't forget - JP Morgan last quarter had great numbers to kick off the season (after moving their reporting date up), but it was all downhill from there.

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                          • #14
                            Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

                            They are a politically favored business with a massive subsidy on both the supply and demand side of their business. How much does their profit cost you?

                            Of course, faced with this kind of recession I would do the exact things Obama is doing.

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                            • #15
                              Re: WTF: Wells Fargo record $3 billion 1Q profit

                              Originally posted by nero3 View Post
                              I consider Wells Fargo to be the gold standard of American banking. It's still a chance to buy in, but it's getting more expensive. It seems Bank of America is a better deal at this price.
                              Your smugness is amusing. I think Metalman has your number right.

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